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See.. and it's not just Transformers... it's like.. lots of fandoms go insane and they don't realize it's because they like it as it was when they were kids. The people who like Beast Wars? Yeah.. were generally in the target market when it was out. I read above someone saying "Generation 1 is a rough draft of the Transformers Universe".
What? There was never any intention FOR a "Transformers Universe". It was a toy line made up of two separate sets of toys. One of which is actually from a comic series of movies wherein the giant robots eventually moved past needing pilots and by the end of it formed a world much like Cybertron. If you go to Walgreens right now and look in the dollar rack, you can find a Diaclone movie retitled something like "Defenders of the Planet". You wanna know where Transformers came from? THAT is where Transformers came from. It's the merging of two toy lines that were failing.
There was no more an intent at the beginning for there to be a Transformers "Universe" than there was an intent for Star Wars to be a set of six films, or for Luke and Leia to be siblings. It's weird to watch people try to retcon reality itself to fit some eponymous "it was always meant to be this massive giant plot" master plan. In reality, it was just made up as they went along.
These people taking a big dump on the new movies while defending Beast Wars is exactly the same reason last-gen Star Wars fans take a dump on Clone Wars... and why MY generation took a dump on the prequels.
I find it better to just.. step back and enjoy things for what they are. If something contradicts "old canon" just.. let it go. Instead of twisting things around to make a hamfisted reason Han Solo calls something that happened just recently an "ancient religion" just let it go. You know why Han called Jedi an "ancient religion"? It's simple.
When the movie was written, Jedi was intended to be something that had been lost for many generations.. not something that kinda blinked out 12 years ago in a flurry of violence. That's why he said it. When reality changes to make it no longer "ancient" then "in the story" he said something else entirely. Who cares? New canon replaces old.
I didn't like it that R2D2 never once thought to mention he was Darth Vader's robot, but hey.. that's what happened. And you know what else? Anakin Skywalker now had a Padawan between episodes 2 and 3. Get over it. It's just a movie series.
I absolutely preferred G1 to the ******* monkey... but that's not because I'm rigid and inflexible... I don't like it because it was stupid, to me. It's a matter of taste, and frankly I think Transformers fans take it way too seriously.
So long as it doesn't perform cardinal sins that destroy the purpose of the original... like Glee utterly de-sexualizing RHPS, and even casting a woman as Dr. Frank... who cares? And even then.. if suddenly new RHPS movies are made which are totally desexualized and Dr. Frank was a woman.. well.. I'll just have to deal with that. It's just a movie. -
Huh. I spent the last hour or so reading about the modern Transformers fandom, and it's pretty much made up of mostly smug teenagers and 20-somethings who make fun of anyone who preferred the originals. They actually make fun of the fans who prefer it the way it was with things like "Geewun" and "Trukk not Munky".
Oh and then these same people spend hours detailing why the new movies are the work of Satan. That right there makes me bang my head into a wall to prevent myself from exploding with laughter.
Me personally, I thought the "beast" series were pathetic, but some of the stuff that's come since has been really extraordinarily fun to watch. I enjoyed Energon.. Animated..
You know what really makes me giggle? These people spend hours and hours and hours of their lives trying to contort and twist all of these different series into one continuity. Guys: it's JUST a bunch of cartoons about robots disguising themselves to fight their secret war and disrupt the humans as little as possible. (and that, by the way, is why the "Beast" series never did it for me. What, exactly, is a 14 foot tall gorilla "disguised" as?) That's it. It's a cool premise. The reason you need all these insane Deus Ex Machinae to tie it all together is because it was obviously never intended to BE tied together. I mean.. these people even hamfistedly come up with ways to make Kiss Players canon.
Kiss Players is a Transformers variant wherein the robots have to be kissed by little girls to do their business. I'm married to a rabid Star Wars fan so I'm exposed to the hideously ugly side of fandom but man.... they look like sane, rational persons compared to Transformers fans. It's just a fun series of cartoons, don;t take it so seriously! If even Star Wars fans look sane in comparison, you might wish to consider taking a step outside and getting some fresh air, maybe touch a member of the opposite sex.
Edited to add: Seriously, check this out. According to the fandom this is "canon"
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Quote:You know what else would help that? If the original series didn't have a habit of turning him into a damned fighter jet and fire truck and monkey all the time. At least the movie kept him a semi.Originally Posted by Liquid
Tell that to my boss and any other people who would tell me this is not the "real" Optimus Prime:
I'm not kidding. I've actually heard, "no, I mean the real Optimus Prime" in response to seeing this.
New versions do supplant the old in the public psyche. Kelenar's example about Dr. Strangelove is perfect (in fact, prior to reading his post, Dr. Strangelove was the first movie that popped into my head that I'd flip out over if they remade it).
I'm open to remakes, but it's very important to me that they either do their best to be respectful of the source material when it's good, or improve it where it can use improvement. There are some classics that have flaws, and those classics could be remade and improved upon. But most have more to lose than they have to gain.
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Quote:See, I appreciate the remakes.. when they're different enough to stand and shine separately. Every Christmas I tend to go through Disney's, the Muppets, the 1951 version, Scrooged, and Blackadder's Christmas Carol. Every one of those "remakes" are more homages than remake, wouldn't you say?Originally Posted by Local_Man
One of my favorite examples is a story/movie that keeps being done over and over: A Christmas Carol. No actor has ever been able to play Scrooge better than Alistair Sims. The 1951 version has Sims with just the right amount of angry, miserable miserly Scrooge in the beginning, and giddy, overjoyed, almost insane Scrooge in the end. Other actors from Rich Little to Patrick Stewart to Bill Murry to the Muppets to the recent CGI version have made good attempts, but nobody has been as good as Sims.
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Quote:Actually it is the secondary definition of a strawman, false proof sometimes called a "straw battering ram". You're talking about a scenario that simply does not occur. The actual sales figures show that people don't giver a tinker's damn about DRM. You're gathering straw and building a situation that does not occur, and then using it to knock down an opposing viewpoint.Originally Posted by Dark One
No, actually it isn't a strawman. It's a legitimate argument of why people are moving away from PC gaming. If the companies are loading so much into the "You aren't buying it, just renting it from us" angle, then naturally people are going to be less inclined to buy products for said system.
The lie about copy protection harming end users wasn't any more true when I was a young pirate in the 80's (I'm Kid Einstein/Einstein Eagle/Captain Kidd from Eaglesoft, if anyone remembers. Yes, the second gen Ocean disk error crack, that was ME! all four people who care cheer for me!) The sales figures proved us to be full of it back then, and they still do now. We pretended we were about 'consumer rights' but we weren't. We were about stealing games. I doubt anything has changed since then, given the sales figures on heavily DRM'd games are consistently high.
Heck, if you wanted to selectively look at stats to prove an insane point, you could make the claim that more savage DRM drives sales up, and have more of a ground in true reality than claiming it drives sales down. -
Quote:I kinda think the entire intent of this was to create a spinoff series based on the son of Indiana Jones. I don't think they ever had the slightest intent to make him carry on in the exact same manner as his father did... he can't. He's not his father. His father was a 30's serial hero, the pragmatic gentleman (his day job, anyway) adventurer. Mutt is a 50's biker rebel with a heart of gold. They are both iconic representations of the genres they come from.Originally Posted by QuietAmerican
Which goes to the basic question, would you watch an Indiana Jones movie with Mutt as an Indy character, no. But with your idea, where he is a Steve McQueen to the Blob, or watch him run down the Pacific Coast Highway screaming that the pods are coming the pods are coming? Yeah, but why make that movie? Why not just make a new character, one that is more interesting, and make a new franchise?
The reason you'd make that movie is the exact same reason the Indiana Jones movies were made in the first place. Indy's series were a love song to the serials of the 30's. Mutt's would be a love song to the communist plots/radioactive monsters/alien invaders. I got this impression even from the previews, and I went into Kingdom expecting this. I got what I expected. Over the top action in that signature Lucas/Spielberg style that bridged the gap between the two eras.
The torch was passed, even if the hat was not. Again I don't think Shia was an excellent choice, but Ford was criticized as not believable as Indiana when Raiders came out. time will tell, and I, for one, am willing to give it a chance.
It doesn't help any when you have absolute idiots like Parker and Stone saying Indiana was "sexually assaulted" when Kingdom was full of just as many stupid wallbangers as every other one in the series. But then, your mileage may vary, as I found South Park stopped being funny after season 11 or so. Too interested in going "see how edgy we are?" and not interested enough in making an interesting story while being edgy.
By the way, you might wanna go back and catch a few more of the iconic 50's movies. they tend to be a lot more like Kingdom than purely scream teens and monsters. Reducing the genre to that is like reducing 30's serials to "Mighty whitey saves the day". -
Quote:That makes two of us. I also had absolutely not the slightest problem with Crystal Skull moving into alien territory. It makes sense to me. Serials in the 30's/40's were about adventure in foreign lands, Alan Quartermainn tales were all the rage. In the 50's, people began to be frightened of Russians, the Bomb, and slime creatures from outer space.Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
Wow. I am, practically one of the only people that would entirely accept it without caveat. Weird.
Anyway, carry on!
Why is it acceptable for Indy to be an overblown serial hero when it's the 30's but not in the 50's? Being nuked in the fridge and surviving is absolutely not one iota stupider than opening the Ark of the Covenant and having it melt people's faces off. I checked the Bible up and down and it doesn't say anywhere it does anything magical. How are the semi-intelligent monkeys any worse than the silly racist representations in Temple of Doom?
I'm totally okay with Indy being a hero for two generations, and there's no reason his universe would not move along to aliens. He lives in a universe clearly based on the serials of our real world.
While I think "Nuh-nuh-nuh-n-n-n-n-n-noo! Nonono!" was a questionable choice, his character is no different than the rebel without a cause hero who finds a cause in defending the town from the alien invasion... which nobody believes him when he says it's happening. His character is a STAPLE of 1950's adventure archetypes.
Yes, I would go see Mutt Williams, without a question. Indiana Jones was active with the Nazis... it's time for his son to step up and take care of the commies/the bomb/aliens. I even like his signature weapon... fencing. Look people, Harrison Ford is too old to keep this up. So is his character. Let go of your nostalgia filter, and just have a good time. -
I mean like.. literal farming or mining or whatnot? Pretty much ANY sort of mindless resource gathering that does not involve killing? Let's face it, that sort of zen time spending is one of the things WoW got right... can't we have resource nodes of some kind here as well?
And not to make inventions, either. Perhaps these could be combined in recipes to create custom inspirations that last longer than the regulars, at the cost of needing to grind a skillset to make them? -
...and also, the guy cut off his PM's entirely and started mostly posting in Beta forums quite a while ago. He was probably aware of this long ago, and had been working hard with his replacement(s). Sometimes after 5 years of a job you just get sick of it and want to make a change.
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Quote:Nope. You're not alone in that.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who finds your comments about him bizarre and paranoid.
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Quote:That's a typo. The semicolon is directly next to the apostrophe. Refudiation is a cultural reference. Google it.Originally Posted by EvilGeko
This is correcting spelling and grammar:
"Except" should be set off by a comma in the first sentence since you used it as a transitional;
You used a semi-colon instead of an apostrophe in the contraction "couldn't";
And refutation is how it's spelled.
I'm not really sure what you did!
and I read your edit: You're darn well right I'm talking about players. If you're RP'ing on a clearly OOC forum you'd better maybe take a break and do something else for a while before you end up like that kid who shot his parents thinking they'd respawn because he played too much Halo. -
Oh and for all her talk about freedom and whatnot, Cleopatra sure had no problem trying to send ym character to her death with no foreknowledge of it. The absolute BEST case scenario, if that faction of the Resistance "toppled Cole" would be the exact same lies and "I know what's best for you" as the Cole administration, except without the power of Cole to actually hold back Hamidon.
I'll take fascism and life over fascism and death with the additional danger of being under the rule of proven psychopathic lunatics any day, thanks. At least some kid on the way to school is likely not to be fed to zombies just to make a point. -
Quote:Building a straw man is exactly what you did. Nobody stated that Cole needed to remain in power forever. You argued against a viewpoint nobody espoused. You built a strawman. What's so difficult about accepting you've committed a fallacy when you committed a fallacy?Originally Posted by EvilGeko
That's just plain fantasy. Washington, Kang (although he later sees the error of his ways), Whitworth, McKnight, Tilman and Anti-Matter are all devoted to the regime.
By your own admission, you haven't even played all the arcs, please take the time to so that you know what you're talking about. And please learn what a straw-man argument is before accusing someone of it.
Incidentally, you're also poisoning the well here. I'll engage some hyperbole here for giggles to make my point: Someone doesn't have to indulge in child porn to know child porn is bad.
I don't have to continue arcs with people who think it's okay to blow up hospitals because "Cole is not a God." I see that there are some, like Cleopatra, in minority that stand against that. I also see they are an insanely staggeirngly small minority, and their leader is one of the lunatics. Having a few dozen good hearted people does not excuses mass murder of innocent unarmed civilians. Blowing up a hospital crosses the event horizon. If this does not immediately cause the two factions of the Resistance to split, then the factions themselves mean nothing at all. It should not have been just a matter of my character's moral event horizon being crossed, that should have resulted in a splinter group of factional war. -
Quote:Except I corrected your spelling and grammar. You chose to focus on that because you couldn;t refute anything else. And even the refudiation is weak.Originally Posted by EvilGeko
Understood.
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Quote:In addition, the refutation is flawed. Hyperbole and building a straw man. Almost every Loyalist Responsibility inclined person has expressed a desire to dethrone Cole, they want to do it the right way. "turning someone's own weapons against them" does not make it any less horrifying murder. It doesn't matter who made the weapon, it matters who uses it.Originally Posted by EvilGeko
I just want to focus on this, because this is the key point. Are you saying that leaving the tyrant in place, allowing freedom to die, and having humanity forever being subject to an immortal dictator is the preferable course?
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Quote:Fixed your grammar and spelling.Originally Posted by EvilGeko
I just want to focus on this, because this is the only part I can refute.
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I'd say Alienware are the poseurs (proper spelling of the word) for pretending their general mishmash of parts is even slightly different than other mishmashes of the same parts. They're almost as silly as Apple, who hasn't made their own hardware in nearly a decade now and yet pretend they are somehow better quality than something you just slap together yourself from parts collected across the net.
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Quote:I do have one caveat to that applause. By level 15, I wanted out. Nothing I did was going to matter and that was obvious, so I wanted to just opt out and do something else. I stopped doing the main missions and just street hunted for the hours required to leave. The storyline actually made me stop caring about it. It tried a little TOO hard to be "gray", when to me it was just evil and lesser evil. there's no difficult moral decision here: when tasked to choose between fascists who want to maintain a status quo and complete lunatics who want revenge and are willing to create zombies and send those zombies to kill people and then "rescue" them from the zombies?Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
One thing that's definitely surprised me from this thread is the depth of emotion it's stirred within the players.
That's a serious achivement from the Devs and should be applauded
Yeah, you go with "less evil". What's difficult about this choice for sane persons? Not even "evil" characters would side with those lunatics unless they're of the often-seen alignment of Chaotic Stupid. To them I advise a glance at the Evil Overlord list.
The character I played had this to say before I.. frankly lost interest. "There DOES need to be a resistance... but not them. Not like that." -
Quote:Hey, by Golden Girl's logic, Schindler was just as much of a ******* as Hitler himself!Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
I know you're set in your opinions, but I feel like you make it sound like every policeman or soldier who ever worked for a totalitarian government was corrupt him or herself. Do you think, as a real world example, every Italian soldier and policeman in WW2 was immoral, or is it possible that some of them were working within the means provided to them?
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I was leaning Resistance until they talked about blowing up a hospital just to prove that Cole is not a "god". At that point I realized my choice was between "fascist jerks" and "infantile psychopaths". There's MANY ways to prove someone is not a "god". Wholesale slaughter of innocents is not one of them. I went Responsibility Loyalist pretty fast, and never saw anything even approaching that level of evil, even though my hands still got dirty.
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Quote:All things considered that's probably situational. I think at any given time you'll see a staggering majority of one or the other.. and I think the balance is shifted pretty much based on people going "that Stalker ganked me!" or "that blaster burst damaged me to death with no effort!" and getting their relevant class until it cycles back.Originally Posted by Fiery-Enforcer
Personally I see more Blasters than Stalkers. *shrugs*
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Quote:I just did a quick tour of the PvP zones. Out of the 37 heroes I saw, 29 were Stalkers. Out of the 30 villains I saw, 27 were Stalkers. A majority of PvP folks use the gankfest classes and always will, no matter what the vocal defenders on the forums say. This game has never been able to balance it out in the slightest, it's been a rock-scissors-paper of cookie cutter builds.Originally Posted by Alpha_Zulu
That's an interesting point considering it's pretty much false.
Stalkers get a bad rap because they're easy to get kills and with shraks it's even easier to get kills.
But that doesn't mean "95%" of villain pvpers play them.
Issue 13 was an attempt to tone that down. Apparently, all it did was increase the Stalker ratio from 60-75% on the villainside to something approaching 95%.
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Quote:They corrected it for widescreen. That graphic is supposed to be in a 4:3 ratio. The game itself will still be normal.Originally Posted by Robo_Knight
Well this isn't good. When I went to the log-in screen, my game windows size was reduced. There are 2 big black walls on each side of the game screen.
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Quote:Yes, it's dead. There's no polite way to say it: anyone who has components made in the last 3 years and is still using XP is either ignorant of what's going on or stubborn to the point of ignoring what's going on aorund them. There are, plainly put, limitations to what XP can DO, and if you've bought a recent computer, XP 32 is foolish. XP 64 even more useless. It doesn't matter that 1 in three people have their craniums buried in their rectums. Technology _has_ to move on.Originally Posted by Zortel
Taken from Steam's Hardware Survey Page:
Hardly call that dead.Code:Windows XP 32 bit32.99% Windows 7 64 bit 26.65% Windows Vista 32 bit 14.01% Windows 7 12.07% Windows Vista 64 bit 6.75% MacOS 10.6.3 64 bit 5.31% MacOS 10.5.8 64 bit 1.03% Windows XP 64 bit 0.56% Windows 2003 64 bit 0.32% MacOS 10.6 64 bit 0.13% Other 0.18%
By the way: If XP really truly could support Direct X 10 and above, then some "consumer rights" crusader would have found a way to make it work on XP. At it's absolute best, after the most active attempt to make it happen in early 2008, the Alky project managed to make it work for nearly 10% of DX 10 games. And do you know how it did this? By writing on the fly compatibility packages per game that would compile shaders and other assorted things down to Dx9 instructions.
If the game actually USED DX 10, rather than had what was essentially a soft check for the version number? They couldn't make it work. You know why? Because XP does not have the framework to HANDLE DX 10, and Microsoft decided not to bother spending the man hours necessary to make it work on an obsoleted OS. What the hell's the point in running DX10 games anyway if your OS can't even address more than 3GB of RAM in the first place?
At some point you have to look at all the man hours to keep up and say "Hey, guys, we need to release a new OS!"
PS: As per the Steam OS Survey: It doesn't hurt that, out of that entire listing, XP 32 bit is the easiest to pirate by a giant long shot. XP Service Pack 2, specifically. I foggily remember around May Chet F stating that only 11% of the XP users were showing as SP3. Guess that means that, even if we GENEROUSLY allow for 20% of users that can't or won't upgrade to SP3 for whatever legit reason, we're still left with the fact that about 60% of the users of XP are most likely stealing it anyway.
And frankly? If you're not even willing to pay for your OS? I'm not concerned with backwards compatibility for you and this is probably Microsoft's take on it as well. -
Quote:Oh. I thought she was trying to say I had to be wearing some sort of sexual costume in order to notice a society that is geared to funnel all the wealth upwards into the hands of those who already have more than they will ever need on the backs of those unable to defend themselves was not all that different from a society that is geared to funnel all the wealth upwards into the hands of those who already have more than they will ever need on the backs of those unable to defend themselves except it's different because some of the superpowered weirdoes on that side are "legally" able to set people on fire for looking at them wrong as compared to it not being "legal" on the other side.Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Leather, chains, skulls, and spikes are so cliche. The modern villain needs to be chic!
Like this guy:
Just because someone isn't holding a doomsday device out to ransom the city doesn't mean they're not committing evil.