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  1. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ironik View Post
    Good list there.

    I think going forward we'll see that Stark's "hover car" technology that was used as a cute way to introduce him will turn out to be instrumental in The Avengers as both the method by which the Helicarrier floats and how SHIELD's flying cars work. (I can see someone saying, "Not your father's Oldsmobile," as they hop in a flying car and Tony responding, "Actually, it is." Zoooom! Alternate: Tony: "Not your father's Oldsmobile." Fury: "No. It's yours.") And wouldn't the arc reactor be a great power source for something the size of the helicarrier?
    Actually this brings up an interesting point: Tony Stark has had his eyes opened to all the death and destruction his weapons cause both in the right and WRONG hands, so he orders his company OUT of the weapons business. Ironically he then creates one of the greatest weapons in the form of the Iron Man armor, but there are securities to keep unauthorized personnel out of the armor. (Rhodey was authorized in IM2). But my point is this: will Tony keep the synthetic element that he created from his father's notes in IM 2 to himself?

    Yes, he now can take the arc reactor to it's maximum potential and presumably give safe, clean energy to the world.....but SHOULD he? He was adamant that Obadiah not have engineers study the mini reactor in his chest in IM1, and I wonder if now his feelings have changed on the matter? He won't want it for weapons at all, but you know how the military can be about wanting the next best thing to stay ahead in the arms race. Arc reactor powered weapons would be something they'd love to have.
  2. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ironik View Post
    According to IMDB's Avengers entry, she is.

    I know I'm the only one geeking so hard about this aspect of it, but I absolutely love how they are intertwining all the movies together. To my knowledge, that's never been done before. It's something I always wanted to do ever since 8th grade when I read S.E. Hinton's novels The Outsiders and That Was Then, This Is Now where minor characters in one book are major players in the other.

    I know some of the filmmakers like Favreau are chafing under the challenge and some viewers are starting to get annoyed at references to the other movies, but I'd love to be faced with the challenge of taking elements that are given to you and make them work within the constraints of a new story. When all is said and done, this will be one of the coolest series of movies ever made.
    I figured she would be Sharon, she's unnamed in First Avenger but Avengers would be the big reveal.

    Also I'm also loving how these movies are all intertwined, and how DC plans something similar after Dark Knight Rises when they reboot Batman movies, and get a hopefully good Superman movie going as well.

    I listed a few posts above some of the connections the movies have:

    1. Studying of the Skull's "energy ammunition" is quite likely what led Howard to start research into what becomes the arc reactor. He saw first hand the energy in action from that one fragment and thus realized what he could build to benefit humanity. As Fury states in IM2: "he was going to kick off an energy race and make the nuclear reactor look like a battery". But it's likely that the tesseract itself was too unstable/dangerous and Howard then attempts to synthesize the new element but cannot due to technology of the era not being up to the task and thus leaves his message and notes for Tony in IM 2. IM1 also has Obadiah mention how Howard helped give the world the atomic bomb, possible spin off of the research of the tesseract energy? Howard also developed the shield that Roger's uses and we see unfinished models in IM1 and IM2...possible advanced prototypes of non-vibranium shields for replacement Captain Americas?

    2. The Super Soldier Serum: the unused vial gets stolen and shattered in battle between Rogers and the Hydra agent-Ratzi. So they then take a lot of blood samples from him stating that his genetic code is the sole hope of rediscovering the formula to the serum but without Erskine who knows how long it would take (Erskine in the comics never wrote the whole formula process down). We then see in 2008 Hulk that stored in deep freeze IS the super soldier serum (Erskine's name is on the storage container). So either they DID remake the serum or else very close copy of it, but still can't make it work right since the vita-rays that they used on Steve is vital to the process. Hence why Blonsky developed problems, aside from being a trained soldier-killer always looking for a fight. Tony Stark appears at the end to speak to Ross about a team being put together. There is also a deleted scene of Hulk smashing an iceberg and frozen Cap is seen in the ice but that scene doesn't count now. They could say a Hulk rampage in the arctic shifted the ice flows and caused the flying wing to resurface. Also we see in the beginning that Stark is supplying hardware for the Hulk hunt.

    3. Iron Man 1: Tony makes the mini arc reactor to stay alive, it's revealed that otherwise the arc reactor has been a dead end. Nick Fury appears at the end after the credits.

    4. Iron Man 2: new revelations about Howard Stark and the arc reactor, Fury tells Tony a few things about his father including how Howard helped start SHIELD. Tony then reviews the notes left behind, figures out the clues, discovers the new element and synthesizes it. His new mini reactor outperforms the old and he is free of palladium poisoning. So Howard's work is finished by Tony. Tony is then hired at the end by Fury as consultant which leads to his meeting with Ross in 2008 Hulk. Also Black Widow appears in the movie and will be an Avenger. Also teh bonus scene at the end is the hammer of THOR.

    5. Captain America First Avenger: links to THOR in that the tesseract/Cosmic Cube is allegedly the jewel of ODIN's vault. Skull also sees and recognizes the picture of Yggdrasil, the world tree. Also the tesseract was hidden in Norway.

    6. THOR: we see many items in ODIN's vault, no mention of the cube at the beginning but it is revealed after the credits as being in SHIELD storage all these years. Jane's mentor mentions a pioneer of gamma research that disappeared after SHIELD got ahold of him, that had to be Banner. Minor Iron Man reference when the Destroyer appears and an agent asks Coulson if Stark made it. Also Hawkeye appears.

    In the comics SHIELD as I recall was formed to stop Hydra, in the movies it could be for same reason, and may also be tied to Captain America's actions in the war.
  3. Quote:
    Originally Posted by BlueBattler View Post
    Back when I was reading comics in the 70s, Sharon was Peggy's much younger sister. There was even a time when Peggy was shown to be still active and worked for the Avengers for a time as a pilot or something similar.
    Hm I think I remember her being listed as a sister back in the beginning, but was retconned.....ah it looks like nowadays she's referred to as being Peggy's niece.

    Amanda Righetti played the unnamed SHIELD agent at the end of First Avenger that greeted Steve after he awoke from his deep freeze. No confirmation if she was Sharon Carter, yet.
  4. It's an all new timeline where Kirk is Captain of the Enterprise five years ahead of schedule. He is still the youngest Captain, but now he's perhaps the most inexperienced Captain.

    Also: Captain Pike has not gone to Planet Talos, Kirk has not encountered that vampire cloud while serving on the Farragut thus he wont recognize it later as Captain of the Enterprise. It's also five years too early to find Khan's sleeper ship in space, and it is five years too early for things like the Doomsday Machine to appear or for the Romulans to have developed the cloaking device and sent the lone Bird of Prey to test it. Also Kirk will not serve on the ship with his old pal Finnigan and have to file a report for his failure to close a critical valve before going to warp thus the ship would have been endangered had Kirk not caught it. So there goes Kirk's future court martial/frameup by Finnigan. Hm, does this also mean that Kirk was not around to witness Kodos' the Executioner in action?

    So basically, in a nutshell everything has changed now for Kirk. Time for all new adventures.

    As for Khan......ok honestly now, WHO could possibly play Khan with the same charisma, magnetism and power that Ricardo Montalbon conveyed?

    As to fixing the timeline, well they have not yet learned of the Guardian of Forever, nor accidentally discovered the "Slingshot effect" of using a sun or black hole to slingshot around to hit timewarp speeds. (to this day I've never thoguht that method would work anyway but oh well), nor have they met any of the Q Continuum.

    So to fix the timeline.....can the Guardian of Forever lock onto Spock-Prime's timeline so that they can stop Nero from going back in time in the first place? This should be the easiest solution. The other solution would be to timewarp back before Nero arrives and blow him out of space as he emerges from the timewarp, but that could still alter things since George Kirk should still live but will have witnessed time travel, alternate futures, etc etc. So would that "Fix" the timeline or only "patch" the timeline but still leave some changes? The ultimate solution is to get a member of the Q to snap their fingers and restore the timeline.
  5. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Captain_Photon View Post
    Cap props his shield up on the handlebars of his motorcycle at one point, just like Plastic Shield Cap in the TV-movie.
    Ah yes. Not sure if that was a nod to '79 Cap or just a tactical choice, but still funny.
  6. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Captain_Photon View Post
    They even threw in a very offhanded reference to the 1979 TV-movie, which nearly made me laugh out loud in public.
    I think I missed that due to blotting the 1979 movie from memory, what was it?
  7. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Zombie Man View Post
    I don't know if EATs will be able to do the tutorial. After all, the VEATs can not do the redside tutorial (they were never broken out of the Zig as part of Project Destiny).

    So, I'm guessing that EATs will go directly to either AP (HEATs) or Mercy (VEATs) and not access the tutorial at all.

    BTW, all incidences of being broken out of the Zig are being rewritten out of all the redside arcs.
    For the purposes of getting Isolator and Jailbird, will the old tutorials still be part of the ouroborus training arc?
  8. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ironik View Post
    Interesting. I wonder why she has the same last name?

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    To firmly establish her relation to Peggy I would think, or else perhaps her parents split up and she decided to use Carter as her last name.

    Originally in the comics, Sharon was Peggy's daughter but thanks to retcons and the sliding timeline that keeps characters eternally young she's now PEggy's granddaughter.

    Also in the new Captain America #1, it started with Steve and Sharon going to Peggy's funeral, so they may have her dead in the Avengers movie.
  9. I think the plan is to use the original Guardians, Vance Astro, Starhawk, Martinex, Charlies-27, Nikki, Aleta, Yondu,...
  10. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Father Xmas View Post
    Well since he was stomping about all over Europe I would dare to say he knew D-Day went well.
    Would he? Didn't the events of the movie start in 1941 and proceed forward? I don't recall them mentioning how much time passed as Cap began wiping out Hydra bases, so it's possible that he went missing before D-Day. It's also possible that once Schmidt was taken down, that if Cap suvived that encounter he would have been deployed to Normandy to assist with D-Day. The movie doesn't clarify how much time elapsed between Cap hitting the ice and V-E Day so it's all conjecture.
  11. Quote:
    Originally Posted by BrandX View Post
    I don't recall it saying that in the movie.

    We know he has troubles with getting with women at that point in his life, but who knows what happened to him before that point. Like in high school.
    He was viewed and treated as the 98lb weakling even in school.
  12. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ironik View Post
    I have faith Whedon will do right by him. I wonder if the Sharon Carter character in The Avengers will be related to Peggy?

    His story is kind of sad, though. This poster says it all:

    Sharon is supposed to be Peggy's grand daughter per the comics, so I suspect they would maintain that for the movie
  13. Neither of those are skippable powers. Poison Trap is merely sleep gas and is generally considered the "always skip" power of the poison set. Also the rez power and the stimulant power could be considered skippable.
  14. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ironik View Post
    Along with Rise of the Planet of the Apes, I loved Captain America. I saw it twice within a week, which I haven't done since Aliens in '86. It's the best Indiana Jones movie we've had since The Last Crusade. This is what The Rocketeer should've been, and although I was afraid it would be another near-miss like Rocketeer, I was glad it actually hit on all cylinders. Action, humor, actual emotion and a 90-year-old virgin at the heart of it all.

    The Disney acquisition of Marvel has paid off at least one dividend: Alan Menken penning the terrific USO song, "Star-Spangled Man With A Plan." Clever, cheesy and funny. Speaking of music, the score by Alan Silvestri is simply aces. Like the Indiana Jones March, the Captain America March is heroic and distinctive, promising adventure galore.
    I'm curious is to how they will handle Cap's angst at being 70 years out of time in the Avengers. I truly hope they don't gloss it over, but let's not take up the majority of the film with it either.

    I hope he gets to read up on history about D-day and how the Allies won, and just what legacy he created as Captain America and that his defeat of Hydra and the Skull are not forgotten. Also I would think he would have received a posthumous Medal of Honor for stopping the Skull and saving New York and the entire eastern seaboard. Also that he gets to look up Peggy Carter and either see her or read up on how her life was.
  15. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Unknown_User View Post
    I liked Ben Reilly as Spider-Man. I think what killed any potential he had was the constant was he or wasn't he arcs they did and the fact that the whole comic was just flooded with crappy clone stories. Had Marvel learned to keep it short, instead of just dragging the clone nonsense out. I think Reilly would have a larger fanbase.
    The Clone Saga suffered from two major mistakes:

    1. over extended and dragged out with too many clones
    2. Stating Ben was the original Peter. Should have just had Peter as the true Peter, had him retire to be a daddy and Ben takes over despite being a clone.
  16. Quote:
    Originally Posted by That_Ninja View Post
    It seems like the Ultimate universe is built entirely on replacements now. We have two other Hulks that replaced Banner, Daredevil was killed and replace with a new kid, and Wolverine was offed and now replaced by his son.
    Because in the Ultimates line of books they can get away with killing and replacing characters while the legendary characters never die for long, or get replaced for long, in the mainstream MU.
  17. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dr_Illuminatis View Post
    Data was the biggest plot crutch in the history of TV.
    So was Wesley at times
  18. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Rezarus View Post
    I know what you are getting at, but it makes sense that they would share a lot of similarities. The Ultimates was a relatively modern retelling of the stories. And the movie is also a modern retelling of the stories.
    This. What worked in comics in the 60's and earlier doesn't always work on the big screen.

    Could the Hulk movie get away with using a gamma BOMB to create the Hulk in this rather politcally sensitive day and age or is it easier to stick with a lab accident with a gamma machine (Bill Bixby tribute not withstanding)

    Should Iron Man have been in Vietnam like in the comics when he was captured or stick with the modern/current enemies?

    Should THOR have been transformed into Donald Blake?

    Should Cap have been in a large ice cube and hurled into warmer waters by the Submariner and then later found by the Avengers as it was in Avengers #4?

    How many of things I listed above would really have worked for the movies? Maybe the gamma bomb or Donald Blake...
  19. Saw it again today, still good. Also heard for the first time an interesting and accurate comment as the senator and his entourage stood up after Steve was taken out of the vita ray capsule "They created an aryan".

    Stan Lee in the crowd as a General.......hmm General Lee...
  20. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mandu View Post
    The mention of Blosnky reminded me of something. I really wish that Captain America had used the same fight choreographer that designed the Blonsky/Hulk fight.

    The fights in the Captain America movie were good enough but the shield bashing people 30 feet through the air seemed a bit over the top. More like what you would see on a b movie version (or the inevitable bollywood rip off version).

    But on the other end of the scale the first time I saw Blonsky going up against Hulk I was filled with a feeling of "Holy ****! That is what a super soldier should look like in action!" And I still feel the same way every time I watch that scene.
    Given how strong Cap is, (if I recall he can lift up to 800 pounds MU handbooks have stated he is as strong as human can be without being superhuman), sending someone flying 30 feet with one hit seems about right. I doubt he was holding back much in battle as he IS a soldier and while he told Erskine that he didn't like the idea of killing he also knew there was a war on and that in war there will be killing.

    All the leaping around that Blonksy was doing in his fight was definitely Captain America level agility, I wouldn't have minded seeing it a bit more in Cap's own movie but that's ok.
  21. How about this: and the end of GL the movie we see Sinestro put the yellow ring on and he flips to the uniform of the sinestro corp/yellow lantern...... so for a sequel he is literally playing both sides of the street as it were in that he switches back to the green ring and still acts like a GL, but he has used the green ring to enforce his will on Korugar and pretty much taken over the planet. At the same time when he is not needed as a GL, he switches to the yellow ring, has learned how to make more yellow rings and is forming his own Corps.

    Hal learns of this when he visits Korugar for more training with Sinestro, sends out a distress signal to the Corps and Guardians but must fight Sinestro ( who is still using the green ring at the moment as he keeps the yellow secret). Sinestro is beaten and captured by Hal, banished by the Guardians and then unleashes the Sinestro Corps to attack the GLC and Guardians.
  22. Quote:
    Originally Posted by BrandX View Post
    Well, let's not forget the other requirement the doctor was looking for. Someone of good character.

    I think the Doctor knew that the serum would corrupt or drive a person's personality a bit more.

    Red Skull. Bronsky. They both wanted more power. So having it, they wanted more. Steve never had that desire.

    Though yeah, Bronsky didnt get the vita rays and probably not the correct serum.
    True the subject's personality would also affect the results. Imagine if someone like Wolverine or Sabertooth or the Punisher got dosed up with the Super Soldier Serum....YIKES!

    Still, it's been established in the comics that without the vita-rays to stabilize and control the serum development that there will be problems, hence the 50's Cap being insane and paranoid.

    Blonsky in the Hulk.....I don't think he needed that second dose of the serum. Once you receive the serum, it's in you and you are changed at the cellular level and augmented. Dosing him again was a mistake, as he was overdosed, his desire to fight was going off the scale and of course, no vita rays.

    Bucky was essentially a good person similar to Steve, so he may have been a good candidate compared to Blonsky.
  23. List I wrote of all the links I can remember from the Marvel movies for the Avengers:

    1. Iron Man 1: we get a glimpse of a half built Captain America shield in Tony’s lab, bonus scene after the credits introduces Nick Fury

    2. Hulk 2008: deleted scene on blu-ray has Hulk smashing a glacier in the arctic and you can see Captain America in the ice, however this is a deleted scene and does not fit with the Captain America movie. General Ross however reveals that they have the super soldier serum in cold storage due to the project being mothballed. The serum container had Dr. Erskine’s name on it and it sure looked like the serum used in the Captain America movie. So it is possible that Steve’s blood samples after the project helped them to recreate the serum or a near copy of it, however Blonsky wasn’t given the vita rays and possibly not even the correct dosage of the serum hence why he went crazy and wanted more and more and more power and more fights. We also see that some of the weapons like the sonic tanks came from Stark.

    3. Iron Man 2: we learn that Howard Stark helped found SHIELD and that perhaps he isn’t the bad person that Tony thinks. We see an unfinished Captain America shield in the case with Howard’s name on it (also I think there was a Captain America comics #1 in it). Tony finishes his father’s work and creates the new element (allegedly called Synthetic vibranium) that his father couldn’t. Bonus scene after the credits: the hammer of THOR in a crater.

    4. THOR: Dr. Jane Foster’s mentor talks about SHIELD and how he knew a brilliant scientist that was pioneering gamma ray research until SHIELD got ahold of him and he hasn’t been seen since. Clearly that was Bruce Banner. When the Destroyer arrives one SHIELD agent asks if that was something Stark built. Bonus scene after the credits: Nick Fury opens the case to reveal the tesseract/cosmic cube.

    5. Captain America: the red skull finds the tesseract and states it was the jewel of odin’s vault and then he mentions the legend of Ygdrassil the World Tree as he finds the tesseract/Cosmic Cube. Red Skull is convinced that the cube is from the gods and harnesses its power to an extent to power his new weapons. (disintegrator guns also known as death rays back then). Steve Rogers becomes the first and only successful test subject of the super soldier serum as Dr Erskine is killed and the last known vial of the serum was smashed. Steve then has blood samples taken in an attempt to recreate the serum as Dr Erskine knew the formula but never wrote it all down so the secret was lost with him. We see serum in 2008 Hulk so apparently they did recreate the serum or else a close copy of it but without the vita-rays that Steve Rogers received the serum wont work properly. Steve obtains some of the Skull’s special ammo and Howard analyzes it with explosive results…..this study may be what leads him to start working on the arc reactor and his attempts to make synthetic vibranium but he was hampered by the tech of his era, which also fits with the fact that the tech of the era could barely handle generating enough vita rays to finish the super soldier process on Steve Rogers. Howard Stark builds assorted shields and costume for Cap, but Cap settles for the vibranium disc shield that Stark built. Howard apparently was working on other shields as we see some unfinished shields in Iron Man 1 and 2. Howard’s search drone at the end finds the tesseract/cube but the search for Cap fails. Nick Fury greets Cap and tells him how long Cap was asleep in the ice.
  24. 50 L50's, no deletions. 26 are Incarnated. Some at all T4 most at a mix of T4/T3. Main goal is to get the level shifts, if they have received no VR by that point then they get put aside for next alt to get incarnated.