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Quote:Captain America is a World War 2 combat veteran who faced life and death on the battle fields of the war both against regular enemy soldiers as well as super powered Axis agents. He is trained in several forms of combat and has experience with the weapons of war.Thinking about that for a second, is that right? Cap certainly has more training but on the experience front, hasn't Spidey been having life-or-death fights on a more or less daily basis since he was a teenager?
Spidey only just recently got serious and received martial arts training and as smart as Spidey is, I don't think his combat experience or tactical expertise would begin to match Captain America. -
Quote:Yes I know he has been taught the arts and now has his own "Way of the Spider" or "Spider-fu" also known as "Matrix-fu", plus now that his spider sense is restored and if Spidey actually gets serious in a fight and opens up with his new skills he'd likely defeat Captain America.During the recent Spider-Island story where his spider-sense was disabled, Shang Chi taught Spidey kung fu which should help. But yeah, he'll still have to lose.
But again, Spidey has a lot of respect for Cap and would hold back in a fight. Even the Punisher has respect for Cap as shown in Civil War, so if we get Cap vs. Punisher throw down, Cap would win due to his superior experience, plus the super soldier serum, and the fact that Punisher wouldn't kill Cap.
I honestly can't think of any hero in the Marvel Universe that would actually fight Cap at their full skill/speed/strength except for maybe one of the X-men (not necessarily Wolverine), and that would be if they used the pretense that Cap stands for the rights of everyone but appears to have not done much for mutant rights. Wolverine even challenged Cap about that back in the first Secret War, and I don't recall Cap doing much since then for advancing mutant rights. -
Quote:Transfer the alt to a "deadserver", then PVP in the late hours of the night with all your hide settings on so that you don't appear when someone uses /whoall and then hope that no one enters the zone and makes visual contact with you.I've a question regarding the best manner of obtaining the PVP reputation badges. And I know just posting this I probably placed a huge target on my atomic back. But anyhoo:
1) Whats the best zone for a defender to pvp in?
2) Team or no team?
3) Is there ANY way (taking out turrets, participating in the melees in Siren's) other than direct confrontation with people who have mini-maxed their characters to death and can probably one shot me at their leisure?
Any advise is welcome. These are some of the last badges I need, and I have put them off because I hate the pvps. -
Quote:Yes in the first Secret War, Spidey easily outmaneuvered and out fought the X-men until Xavier used the old Jedi mind trick on him to stop him and blank his memory. However in the Xmen's defense, if Storm cut loose with her weather powers it likely would have been different.Spider-Man once had almost beaten all the X-Men by himself, only stopped by Professor X. Also, Cap has beaten Spidey pretty much consistently in every encounter. So I'm giving my Edge to the Avengers.
As far as Captain America vs. Spidey, Spidey is not going to want to fight Captain America using his full strength and speed which are superior to Cap's own for one simple reason: It's Captain America. Also Cap has a lot more combat experience then Spidey.
Conversely Spidey has taken down some superior powered characters in the past:
1. Iron Man of 2020 when he time warped to the past and Spidey cut loose and started to smash him and his armor.
2. Iron Man himself back when Aunt May was shot and dying, they fought and Spidey cocooned Iron Man in his webs and tore his face mask off.
3. Firelord, herald of Galactus. HOW that happened is still a mystery. Firelord must have been only at 1/1000000th of his normal power levels in that fight considering what a herald of Galactus can usually do. (space flight, hyperspace, matter rearrangment, energy blasts, fly through stars and black holes, etc). -
Because Marvel doesn't do thorough skill tests of some of the hack artists they've had of late. Check out the ugly artwork of the past several issues of Spiderman, especially that stupid Spider Island story.
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Quote:Just be glad they couldn't give the power of the Cytorak to the Incredible Hulk. Not that Hulk needs it, of course.Poor Marko... he's gotten a raw deal ever since Onslaught put him in the ruby and he escaped by taking all of Cyttorak's power. After that it was 'oh wait, we can't have the Juggernaut be even more powerful than before, let's do an absurd one shot that culminates in his power getting siphoned off to his previous level'... Then Cyttorak returned and the real crappy rollercoaster ride began...
Juggernaut used to be my favourite Marvel character, but I'm not sure I care any more.Get Hulk angry enough and he turns into the World Breaker which easily trumps the Juggernaut.
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Wasn't Empire the one least touched by Lucas's revision attempts? FX cleanup, better scenes of Cloud City and the Wampa Ice monster are about all I remember still being done, and luckily they reversed the adding of the scream as Luke plunged down the shaft.
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Quote:Midichlorians = Dragonball Z style of establishing that Anakin was stronger then the other Jedi. Per Obi Wan in Ep 6 "WHen I first met your father he was already a great pilot, but I was amazed at how strongly the Force was with him." Obi-wan was amazed when he ran the blood test and Anakin was a champion pod racer when they met.Episodes 1-3 are not any of that. They're forgettable, and they present some asinine elements for the audience to digest. Such as:
Reducing the Force down to the equivalent of a bacterial or viral infection (or even symbiosis), via Midi-chlorians
Having both C-3P0 and R2-D2 built by Anakin Skywalker.
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Also Midichlorians = stupid plot device. When Qui-Gon speculated that Anakin was essentially conceived by The Force itself, that was more then enough for me to understand that Anakin's power levels had to be the strongest of them all, even Yoda. There was no need to add numbers and DBZ style power levels. (OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!)
Threepio and Artoo: they BOTH should have come from Naboo. Artoo as an astromech droid and Threepio as protocol/interpreter. If they wanted to show off Anakin's innate technical brilliance they had his pod racer already, but if they really wanted to show his technical skills and instinctive use of the Force then he should have been written to have built a semi-functional lightsaber. I say semi functional as he cant obtain certain parts or fine enough focusing jewels from Watoo.
For Episode 2: it would have been better I think if they showed that Sidious was responsible for Shmi being abducted and tortured for so long, as I would think the Sand People would have killed her outright instead of torturing her for no apparent reason. Sidious then uses the dark side to ensure that Anakin receives visions of his mother in trouble. Vader in Ep 5 tortured Han and Leia to bait Luke and this should have been done in ep 2. Also I know it is a tradition of sorts to keep Star Wars rated PG, except for Ep 3, but in Ep 2 they should have showed more of Anakin destroying the village of the Sand People. Per the novelization he was hurling boulders with a mere thought and carving the Sand People up with his saber. Basically the only hut left standing was the one with Shmi in it, the rest of the village was a scorch mark.
Also Lucas missed his opportunities in Ep 2 and 3 to explain the Force Ghosts. Unless he added it to the Blu-ray versions, as I haven't seen those. The ep 3 novelization has Yoda speaking with Qui-Gon and Qui-Gon offering to teach Yoda and Obi-Wan how to become ghosts.
Also in Ep 3: Yoda hopes the Skywalker twins can one day defeat the Sith, precisely what is this hope based on? They could have mentioned the dreaded midichlorians one more time to establish what their power potential was in relation to their father. Also there is the blunder that Padme dies after they are born yet Leia dimly remembers her mother in Ep 6......I'd have to guess that was her adoptive mother and not Padme as that is the only explanation for that goof.
Also I would again like to thank Lucas for using Ep 3 to apologize to us for using Ewoks in Ep 6 by giving us the WOOKIE ARMY of Ep 3 -
Quote:True they don't have Khelds in the Phalanx, my main PB (perm light form) and main WS (perm eclipse) are both sufficiently Incarnated and could step in to fill the gap in the Phalanx.The Freedom Phalanx is so humano-centric, AND they have all the hero archetypes represented EXCEPT kheldians.
Why, lookie here! My avatar/main just happens to be an alien warshade. Imagine that...
Or I have some inv/ss tanks that are sufficiently incarnated/io'd that for RP purposes were mentored by Statesman and could fill the gap in the Phalanx -
Quote:Pop purples, keep him debuffed and keep pounding. Spawn pets if you have them. If all else fails bring a durable teammate.Argh. I've soloed the first four parts on my lvl 50 Rad/Rad Defender, and I can't solo this part.
I have no problem with any of it up to the last mission. I start attacking Wade, hit him with my debuffs, and then, poof, he's gone, and Ruladak the "IMMA SMACK YOU INNA FACE" shows up, and I'm dead.
Am I missing something obvious in the fight here, or am I supposed to bring help? -
I should hope so, given that
Ep 4: Obi-Wan hasn't dueled in 20 years or used his Force powers much in the past 20 years. Plus he's fighting a chicken fried cyborg in heavy battle armor and they are in a tight corridor. Though I do laugh at how Lucas waited until DVD to fix the broken saber FX, I mean seriously....
Ep 5: Luke who is a Padawan at best rushes off to face Vader. Vader is still a chicken fried cyborg in heavy armor but now they are in an area with lots of room to manuever and objects to hurl with the Force, so the fight is overall much better and perhaps the best of the classic trilogy, despite the fact that Vader was holding back to test Luke and see if his son was indeed powerful. It wasn't until Luke wounded Vader that Vader turned it up a notch and then easily "disarmed" Luke. Credit to Luke's skill and some luck that he was able to wound Vader at all.
Ep 6: Luke is now a Jedi, stronger in the Force and clearly was practicing his saber skills between movies. Also Vader was feeling torn about what to do. However Luke now has the edge in terms of youth and that he is NOT a chicken fried cyborg in heavy battle armor.
Also at the time I think Lucas' philosophy about the sabers was that they were heavy and must be used with two hands.
Now come the Prequels:
Ep 1:huge area for the duel so plenty of room to maneuver, all combatants are healthy; abeit Qui-Gon the character was stated in the book to be in his 60's and thus not quite in prime condition due to age to face a Sith Lord. Obi Wan being a Padawan had trouble with Maul due to being a Padawan per the novelization. Also we get the nifty double saber previously only seen in the comics.
Ep 2: ok the saber duel at the end felt like Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat to me. Round one: they attempt to team up against Dooku and Anakin is swatted aside. Obi Wan gets wounded. Round 2: Anakin with two sabers vs. Dooku, a minor challenge to Dooku's superior skills and Anakin is swiftly "Disarmed" and defeated. (the novelization states Dooku uses a style of combat designed to disarm foes that wield sabers). Round 3: was when Yoda stepped in and after the Force duel they switch to sabers and we get Yoda hopping around like a Keebler elf on speed. Great to watch, though.
Ep 3: perhaps a bit over choreographed but then this is the movie where it all hits the fan as it were. The Republic turns Empire, Sidious comes out of hiding and only Yoda can match him in battle so you know the fight with them had to be fantastic in terms of Sabers and the Force. Then we get the Mustafar fight, perhaps one of the greatest sword fights in Hollywood history (one of the greatest I will not say it is the greatest). Again perhaps a bit too choreographed, but again this is the movie where it all hits the fan and the action should be suitably turned up.
Lucas also clearly has forgotten or recanted his idea that sabers can't be used one handed.
So here's a question: should Lucas use CGI and stunt doubles to rebuild the saber fights of Ep 4, 5 and 6 to match the prequels, or should he just leave it alone, or.....should he recreate the classics from scratch? -
Quote:Maria's arc could easily be said to occur before the Who Will Die storyline, so it doesn't need to change. Simply rescue States at the end of it, he thanks you then gets a distress call from the Phalanx regarding his daughter's death and takes off.I'm kinda wondering how we're supposed to get Incarnate Powers now. The whole thing starts with you going through the Alpha slot arc, which if you have done it, knowthat you have to talk to Statesman at one point. Then the well talks through him to you as well. They could give someone else the Incarnate power, but they can't give it to a newly cured Hero1 because well... you have to fight him later on in the Arc. So unless they change that whole Arc as well... and hopefully don't give us some random dude to talk to... then things aren't going to make sense.
List of in game things directly impacted by Statesman's removal from game:
Statesman on boat in Indy Port.
Statesman TF
Removal of Statesman from Fort Trident.
Alpha Slot Arc changed.
Maria Jenkins Arc changed.
Agree To Mender Silos Mission
Villian side encounters with Statesman-
Recluse Victory
Lord Recluse Strike Force
Alan Desslock Mission- Defeat Statesman
Defeat Stateman in Mender Silos Strike Force.
The Badges you get along the way for doing all of these things.
That's.... alot of in game stuff to change there folks. That's not even going into what he indirectly affects. There are some missions that sometimes say "Statesman would do this... but he is off taking care of this... so we need you to.." as an example.
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Statesman
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Quote:Glad to be of help. I do find it hilarious that now on the DVD and Blu Rays that not only does Greedo fire at all and that Lucas tries to make it look like they shoot at the same time or close to it, but also we can see the magic of CGI giving Han Jedi level reflexes to dodge a laser bolt....and
Excellent points made here. Thank you both for the reminder on the flow of dialogue between Greedo and Han. I'd actually forgotten some of those specific lines (referenced above). Taking that into consideration, I amend my earlier statement about Han's life not being in mortal danger at the time.
This isn't a valid comparison.
We're not talking about someone breaking into someone else's home; that is an intrusion into another's personal living space. The law recognizes this (differing by state, of course), and affords the homeowner/family a certain amount of leeway, with respect to the use of sanctioned lethal force as a means of defending oneself and one's family. This, by contrast, took place in a public setting that is not Han's residence. There are no expectations of privacy in public settings (generally), although I'm sure an effective legal argument could be made that even in public places, a situation could unfold that fits the criteria for acting in self-defense, even if that means the use of lethal force.
Regardless, the value of your question isn't lost on me. That Han would take the initiative and shoot first, to prevent being hauled in by Greedo (or killed by him), could effectively be argued that it was an act of self-defense. I'd go with calling it self-preservation, but that's just me. All that aside, I think it stands to reason that the following statement is in dire need of correction:
Han shot first
No he didn't. That implies that there was return fire. Han was the only one who fired a shot. Given that, there's no qualifier to justify the use of this phrase. This should read as something along the lines of:
Han only needed one shot.
Han shot Greedo. The end.
Han fired the one and only shot. -
Quote:Once upon a time, Hasbro in 1986 decided it was a good idea to kill off the original Optimus Prime in the animated TF movie. The plan at the time was to keep him dead and it was emphasized in the episode Dark Awakening when he was revived as an undead Autobot to fight Rodimus until he awoke and sacrificed himself again. Fan demand among other factors caused Hasbro to change their minds.Everyone knows that Statesman will be back from beyond the grave eventually, its just how super hero comics work.
DC comics killed Superman in the 90's by having him fight the Hulk....er sorry I meant Doomsday (silly me I get those characters confused at times), and while they made a few claims at the time that his death was to be permanent, I never believed them simply because this was SUPERMAN that we were speaking of, regardless of the status of the Superman lawsuits at the time they were not going to leave Superman dead for good.
Now CoH is killing off its version of Superman/Optimus Prime......we'll see how long it lasts. -
Quote:Obi Wan: "Mos Eisley spaceport. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."I think it's fair to say that we're splitting hairs here on the term "self-defense." At least, as it's used in a legal capacity. In that scene, Han's life was *not* in danger. He took the initiative and killed Greedo because he knew that Greedo would run him in to Jabba to collect the bounty.
You can reasonably infer that Han's life would be in danger at a later time after that scene (at Jabba's discretion, no doubt), but in the Mos Eisley Cantina there was no mortal threat. He fired first to prevent being caught and turned in. This is not the same thing as self-defense.
Obi Wan to Luke about the city and cantina: "Watch yourself, this place can be a little rough"
For a city to be referred to as a hive of scum and villainy to me indicates there is no police or sheriff in town to maintain the law. The imperials were there only to find the droids and get the plans.
1. Han at this point is a smuggler, mercenary and a scoundrel but with a good heart wrapped in cynicism for awhile.
2. Han is in debt to Jabba due to losing cargo via imperial boarding his ship.
3. Greedo confronts Han in the cantina, weapon in hand and pointed at Han. At that point, self defense on Han's part becomes quite viable since he had a gun pointed at him and there was no law to get him out of the trouble.
4. Han distracts Greedo, Greedo states Jabba will take the Falcon, Han responds "Over my dead body" and Greedo states "That's the idea, get up Solo! I've been waiting for this a long time!" Han then blasts him. Once Greedo got the drop on Han and agreed that it would all happen over his dead body, Han's life was clearly in danger and he was well within his rights to shoot first.
5. A few cantina folk watched the exchange and the blast but no one blinked an eye or stopped Han. No law to stop Han.
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This was supplemented very well by the remainder of the cast, too. The actors' chemistry on-set, and the fact that they had proper direction the entire time, helped shape the dynamic that we've all come to love in the films. There's humor, sadness, seriousness, hope, joy, fear, etc. that surfaces time and time again. Lucas had other directors, and even some of the cast, challenging his decisions on-set at the time. This is, ultimately, why the cast worked so well together in their character portrayals. We didn't see this in Episodes 1 - 3, and the direction was so absent that even seasoned/respected/liked celebrities came off awkward and shallowly-presented. After all, by that point, who's going to say "No" to George Lucas?
Don't fall into the trap that Jar Jar is what's wrong with Episodes 1 - 3. That "material" (if it can even be called that) is afflicted by a much deeper problem than an annoying presence on-screen. In fact, I'd even argue that mentioning Jar Jar at all only shows how little attention said person was paying to the value of the original films.
But I digress. I've prattled on long enough as it is ...
Yes his writing and directing could have been better and yes he let SFX to push Eps 1 and 2. I have no major gripe about Ep 3, a few minor ones such as Padme losing the will to live, but all in all I do enjoy all 6 Star Wars movies to one degree or another despite the flaws in all 6. Yes I just stated the classics had flaws, put the torches and pitchforks away please. Also I do want to thank Lucas for giving us the Wookie homeworld and Wookie army in Ep3, it was a nice way to apologize for the Ewoks from ROTJ....
Also for all that complain about the prequels and their lack of story and screwy direction from Lucas, ask yourself this question: Could the Prequels have been created at all back in the day of the classics in terms of SFX technology? -
Quote:Immortal means you don't die from old age, it does not always mean you are 100% indestructible. Vampires tend to go up in smoke from sun exposure (not sparkle), or fire, or decapitation or a stake in the heart. Werewolves are also immortal yet cuts from silver weapons can kill them and so can silver bullets in the heart (or other vital organs).Recluse was never immortal (Outside of the aging aspect) because in the villain story arcs you go into the future and actually kill him to stop Project Destiny. This is even before Incarnate existed so you exceeded his power greatly then...
Statesman was immortal and nearly indestructible but his kryptonite as it were was the same power that destroyed Imperious and Romulus as we see in SSA #5. So generally speaking Statesman was 99.9% indestructible, it's just that Darrin was ready and thus was that 0.1% chance to kill Statesman.
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Now comes a question: is Statesman better off dead? I ask this from the perspective of his character. He was eternally young a.k.a immortal. Regardless of how his wife and daughter perished, he was going to outlive them along with Ms. Liberty. He was fated to outlive the entire human race itself. Only Lord Recluse would have survived with him.
Remember the Justice League episode HEREAFTER, when Superman was blasted about 30,000 years into the future? The only human left was the immortal Vandal Savage and the Earth belonged to the evolved cockroaches. Savage was already crazy from wrecking the Earth, but also he was crazier from being alone all those years with no way to die and no other humans for any companionship of any kind. Kind of makes one think twice about wanting eternal youth doesn't it? -
Quote:Indeed. Given the manner of his death and how he apparently blundered blindly into a trap, one must question the permanence of this death. Also given that this is a comic book based game and in comics only Captain Mar-Vell stays dead, I would consider the door left open for a return of Statesman.By the way, something I22 suggests that this could all be some kind of plot.
After all, there is Ouroborus and the Menders to consider. Surely they know/knew of what was to come....does Statesman's death help avert the Coming Storm......or hasten it?
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Despite their differences, one would think that Recluse would be a bit furious at Darrin for killing Statesman, if for no other reason then Recluse was saving that pleasure for himself.
But, Statesman and Recluse are truly immortal/eternally young (ok States isn't anymore), these two were fated to outlive the entire human race if it came down to that, yet in the end they'd still have each other.....imagine Earth being a desolate wasteland and only Recluse and States were left alive simply because of their immortality? Quite possibly that could be considered a fate worse then death. All their hatred and attempts to destroy each other, and what is left? A desolate planet, the human race gone..... -
Quote:Agreed, until he announces that he is stepping down from control of his empire he will continue to make decisions and churn out Star Wars revisions. As to the revisions themselves, I've been okay with most of them, with the Han/Greedo scene being the one that was totally unnecessary. Also as a long time Star Wars fan, I've never quite felt the same level of vitriol or "child hood violation" that others have expressed about the prequels.People in Lucas' position don't ever really "retire" the same way most people do and I always think it's funny when they claim that's what they plan to do like it's a newsworthy event. Clearly he will have as much of a hand and say in anything his organization is involved with as he wants until his dying breath.
That said if he wants to call "focusing on small personal projects" his version of retirement then whatever floats his boat. If anyone thinks he won't be behind newly re-edited versions of Star Wars every 5 or 10 years until he dies is fooling themselves. *shrugs* -
This. It was clearly self defense, there was no need to have Greedo fire at all, he made it clear that Han was going to die, Chewie would likely become a slave to Jabba and Jabba would impound the Falcon.
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Quote:This. Though it does look like States went out like an AE Baby as some have said, Wade clearly took his time and planned carefully while "Staying off the radar" as it were to avoid his plans from being preempted.It's pretty much the whole "Who would win in a fight, Superman or Batman" argument. The answer almost always comes to "Superman, unless Batman had enough time to plan, set a trap, choose the place of the battle, yadda yadda".
Wade had 10 years to plan, set a trap, and chose the place of battle. The end. Looking forward to how the rest of the story plays out.
Still, a better fight would have been nice.
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Quote:This. How many weak and normal villains did Statesman defeat over the decades?He might think that a single NPC isn't as dangerous as a team of player Villains
Also I theorized in other posts that being eternally young, Statesman would inevitably outlive everyone including the entire human race someday with the exception of Lord Recluse.
So it is quite possible that Statesman knew or suspected that Wade had some way of killing and may have technically committed suicide by Darren Wade. Statesman was always loathe to speak of the Well and it's secrets because of two likely reasons: he wouldn't want the Well's power abused or in the wrong hands, but also it is possible that others that tap the well would become immortal like him and he may well think that immortality is more curse then blessing and not want to see others suffer it like he has. Perhaps Statesman was looking for a release from his eternal life? -
Statesman's daughter, his baby girl, the apple of his eye, etc etc. had just been killed by Wade. It would be normal for Statesman to go stomping after Wade and be more then just a bit angry at the man and thus get careless.
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Quote:Here's a question: Did Statesman hate being immortal? He had outlived many people and was going to outlive his family had Darren not killed him. Had his wife not taken ill and died, she would have died of old age, same with his recently killed daughter, and same with his grand daughter. While Statesman stays young forever....... death wish, perhaps?Wait wait....Statesman sees his dead wife telling him it's ok to die, the world will be fine without him. He listens to her.
Has he forgotten that Rularuu is psychic?
Or did Rularru tap into his mind and play on the fact that Statesman's loved ones were gone (except his grand daughter) and played on the fact that he missed them?
We are assuming of course that this death is permanent.