Misaligned

Aye! But I hope you get it!

I'm waiting for the day that one sells for 50 bil. Now that will be something!

We're in ur server...

Eatin ur dotz...

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=241886

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=241946

Found one that went for 2.5

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=241217

I also hate people who criticize other posters for reasons not worth the keystrokes... blah blah blah.

I also tend to get overly annoyed by people who lack basic reading comprehension. Try reading them again... especially the edit at the end of my last post.

But thanks for playing. We appreciate it.

Clever... will you be my hero?

You are correct. We do not have a last 5 for forum sales. And a discussion of what it may be worth could be possible - if the OP was wondering why their IO wasn't selling imo. However, a discussion of what it is worth is tantamount to thread jacking. The OP posted a price for an IO for sale, then asked for offers - not a recommendation of what it might be worth to various people

It just bothers me that people feel obligated to tell you that you're charging too much. When I had one of these for sale, I received offers through the forums and a couple in game. However, I received about 4x that number from people who told me I was "charging too much" and that the IO "wasn't worth it". I also received a slew of "I'm not paying that much for it because I can get one for X". Mine still sold for what I was asking for it. *boggle*

Its irritating to the seller and irrational. No one goes to a car dealer and says "Hey, I have no interest in ever buying one of your cars, but come over here while I tell you why you're charging too much and why someone will never pay you that much for it." Yet people feel compelled to do it here.

If it were a simple "I'm sorry, but for the most part people have been selling those for 2 billion here on this forums. Good luck with your 3 billion " then I would have little to gripe about.

However, as I asked earlier, why do people feel that they must come here, point out that they personally would never pay that much, explain the 800 different reasons why they would never pay that much, then carefully explain to the OP what they would pay for the item which is generally about half of what the person is asking for it? This is the part that irritates me. Like I said - if you don't want to buy it or make an offer - why speak up at all? It is not actually helpful to the OP and generally just takes the form of "Ur dum 4 selling that 4 that price".


Edit: Now that I think about it a bit - the OP did sort of ask why his wasn't selling - so I can sort of see a discussion about relevant costs - I still don't understand the need to essay about why you won't buy one.

So helpful and nice as always.

Pro Tip: You don't want to buy it, stfu and don't buy it. Amazing concept.. I know.

Don't lose heart. There's been a pile of these through here lately - many many more than usual. It may take you a bit longer to sell this one because of it.

As tempted as I was to add this (several times) to my responses, I was avoiding the issue of intentionally stomping on someone else's niche. If you're new to the market and you step on the wrong person's you can end up with a very bad taste in your mouth after getting it handed to you.

To anyone who has market knowledge, go for it! This in itself can be a lot of fun for me - when I'm sitting in a niche (telling myself I shouldn't be) doing some market PvP with someone else who knows what's up I figure about 1/2 the time I win, the other half the other person does - but for the most part, this can be very frustrating if you're just getting started.



@4

Nicely done!

You should write a guide about flipping

I know I'd read it!

At least since I started playing (or shortly there after)

Sorry - I thought everyone knew about this.

It appears what you are looking for are markers - things that identify a good niche. Yes?

For flipping, there are many... some things to try:

Find an item that consistently sells for X - generally you want something that sold 5 today (every day). Place a 3 (or 5) stack of bids for 1/10th the normal price. People accidentally forget 0's. It happens!

Option 2 - Look for something that has a lot of volatility built in:

10,000,000
2,300,000
14,000,000
3,400,000
9,555,555

Those prices are all over the place. You also know that you "could" have bought one of the last 5 for 2.3 mil and that you "could" have sold one of the last 5 for 14 mil.

The thing to remember here is that in order to buy something you need to have the highest bid (at that time). In order to sell something, you need to have the lowest offer (at that time).


At twice a week, I wouldn't actually suggest flipping anything valued under 50 mil a stack. Flipping tends to be more about volume - with access to the market only twice a week, your volume will be limited, so I would capitalize on higher prices with slower turn over. The good news is that because you will be limiting your time at the market, you can potentially throw up good lowball bids that might take a couple of days to fill anyways and you may not even notice

The nerf to Hogger was so uncalled for. 40 man level 2 gnome raids on Hogger were the best!

And no... I don't own a shirt that says "LF39MC PST" on the back... honest.

First, my apologies Miss (madam... nice lady...?).

Second, you claim my conclusion was erroneous. Once again I will point out that I never make a conclusion - the absolute closest thing to a conclusion made by me is as follows:

I observe that I seemingly had no effect after handling this salvage for a week. I did not claim that anti-flipping has no effect. I state the actual facts of what occurred.

You have now asserted twice that I made an erroneous conclusion. Which conclusion are you saying is wrong? And what exactly do you base this on other than your opinion that I didn't do enough data collection in a manner you would find acceptable? Asserting something is incorrect with only an opinion and no actual data to support your claim... your conclusion is the only erroneous one I see here

You make the claim my conclusions are erroneous - and to you I say that you obviously are not an avid, or perhaps not even a casual reader of this forum. The people this was directed towards were the people who claim that one person (not an army) is capable of impacting any given piece of salvage for an extended period of time through short periods of manipulation. We're talking hours of manipulation here, not weeks - and an insanely small percentage of what is actually sold in a day, not the majority.

Case and point:

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=239410

In that thread, Nethergoat messed with Nevermelting Ice for less than 90 minutes. That particular thread generated 143 responses. Cited by the people claiming Goat was ruining the economy were arguments that amounted to "Oh yeah?! Well ur rong!!". There are many instances where marketeers show that flippers have positive effects on a niche over a period of time. Each one is well documented and can be viewed as a series of data collection. Each and every one of those posts which showed supporting data was answered with the following: "Your methods were wrong and therefore don't prove anything - or - you didn't do a large enough sample over a long enough period of time using control groups and such". Sound familiar?


You asked why I don't ask why I don't request data from my opponents. Gee.. that hadn't occurred to me. I have requested data from you now - twice - does that count?

There is exactly 0 data beyond anecdotal evidence that flippers do anything but good for the market. People have been asking for data to support these claims for a very long time. As far as I know, there is 0 actual data to support those claims. In fact, I could claim that flippers allow brand new players to have a special power which allows them to obtain a pony that shoots rainbows from its eyes, and there wouldn't a single bit of data to show I was wrong.

So, I extended this "one person ruining the economy over 90 minutes" out to cover the majority for one piece of salvage for a week. I did the exact opposite of what the doom-sayers claim all flippers do, I did it for a period of time that is considerably longer than their "couple of hours", and then I gave my results - I show number of transactions and final amount of money paid on average for each. Nothing more. I draw no conclusions and I don't even say "See! Ur Rong!" I do go so far as to invite them (or at least note their absence in a later response) to the thread to comment. None have.


Finally, I will say this to you - you are feeding the trolls by coming here uninformed and claiming that my conclusions are erroneous. You essentially gave them the tiny bit of fodder they require to have an argument about why this data is not valid. You have given the people who have no desire what-so-ever to do any research, but still claim that any and all research done by those who they do not agree with is invalid, the ability to come here and say "Ur Rong!" All over your assertion that my non-existent conclusions are wrong because you want more / different data.

Thanks for that. It is much appreciated.

If you are making a mistake when saying my conclusions are erroneous (I don't think you are because I pointed out in my first response to you that I make no conclusions and you ignored that fact) and instead are intending to say my data collection methods are erroneous, you are welcome to replicate them at any time. I outlined the method and requirements for this experiment. You should be able to replicate them at will using the salvage of your choice that meets a similar set of requirements. This does not involve any knowledge of statistics. If you get wildly different results from what I did, then we can talk about what that means.

Once again I will invite you to run your own experiment. If you are unwilling to do anything aside from sitting here and poo-pooing on other people's work, then you really have very little to offer to the conversation, don't you?