MidniteRambler

That might be the way to go.

BTW: Ghost Falcon's response is utterly ridiculous. The solution people will have is they will stay in game and never log, thus preventing others from logging in.

Why they didn't see this coming, I don't know. They really do not know their own game.

This is a massive screw-up by NC Soft. Capping servers, and not allowing people access to their characters, is a fast track towards longtime players (like me) canceling subscriptions.

Totally stupid move on their part.

Good points. The only hand fighting move in MA is cobra strike. Street Fighting would be needed, and welcome.

Question: Would Shield work for both Scrappers and Tankers?

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The "perception" you talk about is by the people who play the game, so it's really the final say in what is fun/works and what isn't. Now, of course sometimes we make mistakes but when the entire Blaster player base considers a powerset subpar then it is in fact so.


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No. Please do not speak for all blasters. SOME players who play blasters who post in this forum feel that certain powersets are subpar. Just because SOME perceive that certain power sets are subpar does not mean they are.

Again, don't speak for all blasters. I like certain blaster secondaries and dislike others. Some of my friends agree and disagree with me. Does that mean the ones I dislike suck? No. My opinion is not the be all and end all.

Only an ego-uber-dork would assume the "entire blaster base" is united on what is broken and what isn't, as if this "base" was the be all and end all with determining what worked and what didn't in CoH.

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In reponse to more of your whining:

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I read your post just fine. It was, and still is, whining.

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1) The blaster SHOULD have been getting his butt kicked. He's a blaster with only a lvl 29 tanker available to take the damage the baddies are laying down. I'm curious to know how many groups you were fighting, becuase if it was 2 or more groups, you SHOULD have a hard time and you SHOULD get your butt handed to you.


[/ QUOTE ] One group, of even cons, of 5 or 6 enemies. I lost aggro, both other teammates went down. I did not.

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Again, you lost agro because you are trying to agro cons plus 4-5 lvls higher than you. Your teammates should have sked you. This is what happens now when you fight baddies 4 or 5 lvls higher than you. Your powers are not as effective against them. That simple.

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3) I state again, you should NOT be able to agro and take on plus 4 or 5 cons. It is literally THAT simple, especially if those cons are multiple groups. I believe the devs have targetted this as an OBVIOUS exploit and/or broken feature and they are correcting it. Tankers used to agroing plus 4 or 5 level cons (and getting moocho xp from the agro) will have to adjust and fight lower lvl cons... like the rest of us.

[/ QUOTE ] You are confusing "agro" and "the ability to arrest enemies". Please quit doing so and confine your "debates" to a single subject. As it is, these types of arguments are used by the worst sort of politicians.

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Again, there's nothing to debate here. You lost agro because of your lvl.

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Again, don't like it? fine. Play WoW. Hephaestus is dead on with his/her comments! Whiney tankers doing mssns with blasters 3-4 levels higher than them are complaining that they can't hold agro against plus 5 cons in multiple groups. Plz, cry me a river.

[/ QUOTE ] If you are going to attempt an intellectual debate, I would suggest:
1) That you keep your comments to the topic at hand, i.e. Rage.
2) Refrain from sarcasm, as it only cheapens and degrades your point, making you seem as if the only point that you have is that you need to feel superior and are willing to degrade any viewpoint that's not your own in order to do so.
3) Learn to spell, type, or correct whatever your issue is so that you are not seen as incompetent, inferior, or otherwise out of your league.

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1) The comments are part of a much larger picture, that of game balance. The issue in question involves you losing argo against a group of plus 4 lvl cons because the Rage penalty kicked in. Rage, as defined by the game, is "An unconscious Rage comes over you, sending you into a berserker fury. While Raging your damage is greatly increased, but when it subsides you become Disoriented and are easier to hit for a brief time. During this disoriented phase, you lost agro against the cons... because that's what happens now when the Rage penalty kicks in. Plus, it didn't help that you were trying to do this against plus 4 lvl cons.

Why?

Because your agro is not as effective against higher lvl cons. I'd draw little pictures for you outlining this obvious game trait, but you might find that insulting and sacrastic, which leads me to:

2) Sacrasm is fun! It makes light of an issue that is of really no importance. Please understand, no one CARES that you lost agro. We know why you did. You lose agro when the Rage penalty kicks in. That's how it works now. Again, Rage is meant as a last resort power, a boost power. The Devs recognized that tankers were using Rage and, when the penalty kicked in, they had agroed the cons so that they are uselessly pounded on a disoriented tanker while the blaster is still nuking them. They changed it. Why? Because that's not how Rage is supposed to work. Whitch leeds mme 2:

3) People who get upset about spelling mistakes, grammar mistakes, or anything like that in a game forum are dorks. That simple.

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Buddy, please please please, grow up.

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I'm perfectly willing to have a grown up conversation when you start making grown up points. It's obvious you don't want to change your play style to fit a much needed game balance fix. You are whining that your tanker can't hold agro while he's panting and tired after going into an uncontrollable RAGE, yet you say I need to grow up.



Whatever.

Thank you, Eviltrickster. Good post.

The issue here is some tankers (not all, but some) are just mad that they can't level as fast as they used to. Rage was meant to be a "last resort" power, like MoG. You need a big boost to take out a boss, AV, or monster? You got into a rage, and kick its butt. Rage was not meant to be turned on or off like a shield, nor was it meant to be an "everyday" power like Swipe or Thunder Kick. Rage is like Nova. You now use it when you have to make a big offensive punch, and then afterwards deal with the side effects.

Many tankers don't like this because they were used to hitting rage all the time and slicing through plus 5 lvl cons and getting massive XP. NOBODY else can do this. It's an exploit. An obvious exploit. An imbalance in the game.

I'm very happy the Devs find these imblances and fix them, and then ignore whiners who complain about the fix. It shows they care about the game, and how it is supposed to be played.

Bravo to them. Best devs in the business when it comes to costumers, no question.

In reponse to more of your whining:

1) The blaster SHOULD have been getting his butt kicked. He's a blaster with only a lvl 29 tanker available to take the damage the baddies are laying down. I'm curious to know how many groups you were fighting, becuase if it was 2 or more groups, you SHOULD have a hard time and you SHOULD get your butt handed to you.

2) Complaining about not being able to handle a grp of plus 5 baddies with a lvl 29 tanker is whining. Pure and simple. You offer nothing constructive or useful becasue you upset that a broken exploit has now been fixed. It is extremely difficult for anyone to handle large grps of high lvl cons, except tankers. That's why they were changed. The AT was broken, and now they are fixing it. Rage is yet another fix, and you will have to adjust your playstyle. No more attacking plus 5 cons in multiple grps with, essentially, only a blaster teammate at the con's level.

3) I state again, you should NOT be able to agro and take on plus 4 or 5 cons. It is literally THAT simple, especially if those cons are multiple groups. I believe the devs have targetted this as an OBVIOUS exploit and/or broken feature and they are correcting it. Tankers used to agroing plus 4 or 5 level cons (and getting moocho xp from the agro) will have to adjust and fight lower lvl cons... like the rest of us.

Again, don't like it? fine. Play WoW. Hephaestus is dead on with his/her comments! Whiney tankers doing mssns with blasters 3-4 levels higher than them are complaining that they can't hold agro against plus 5 cons in multiple groups. Plz, cry me a river. Defenders, controllers, and even some scrappers cannot be as effective in such a situation unless they are sked, which means less xp and slower lvling. Tankers, you used to not need an sk, are now whining that they have to lvl like the other ATs. That is what this is about.

Again, cry me a river.

I'm getting a little tired of reading whiney tankers (and it is moslty tankers) complaining that their AT has been altered and leveled off. You same people biattched and moaned like old women on a stoop when they altered Invul, even though it was obviously broken. Yet, like all other dev alterations, people eventually saw that the changes were needed and liked, and the whiners left and/or were ignored.

The same will happen here.

Again, no. There is no "public discussion" when a player is whining about something stupid. When someone is upset that they can't take on plus 5 minions and bosses, that's not discussion. That's whining. And when they continue to whines because this or that doesn't work the way it used to and prevetns them from attacking said plus 5 baddies, that too is whining. And for some reason, you're defending the whining.

No. I'm not a whiney player complaining I can't take on plus 5 minions and bosses.

Hmmmmmm...

You are lvl 29, and you're wondering why you got your butt kicked by minions, liets, and bosses lvls 33-34.

Note to whining tankers-- you were never meant to fight groups 5 levels higher than you on a regular basis. Rage is fine. You are filled with uncontrollable Rage for a brief period and when it is done, you're tired (which makes sense if you step back and actually THINK about it). If you want to fight lvl 33s and 34s and survive, get another toon to SK you. Whining about your inability to survive attacks against plus 5 lvl baddies will earn you ZERO synpathy points from devs and other players. You will have to (GASP!) adjust your play style. No more running around taunting and fighting purple minions. You will have to adjust and fight minions 2 or 3 levels higher at best. That is what all us other ATs do (I play a lvl 29 tanker myself, along with a 43 scrapper and a lvl 15 controller).

Don't like it?

Fine. That's cool.

Leave.

WoW is waiting for you. Take your whiny butt over there, build a sword, fish, and fight dragons. We'll be fine here, enjoying our balanced game.

Bang! Good post. Tanker whienrs owned, and asked to shut up already.

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You may be happy. Many of your players are not.

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Many players who were used to the broken tanker sets are not happy. And , frankly, no one cares. No one cries for whiners.

Would most folks here agree that the best recent example of a fallen hero is Hal Jordan, the former Silver Age Green Lantern?

He was the prototype goodguy- straight laced, hansome, clean cut, and by-the-book. He had tremendous willpower, courage, and was never, ever afraid of anything. Then, somebody blew up his home town (Mongul and the Cyborg, I think). The lose of so much life caused something inside Jordan to snap. He wanted to undo the wrongs done to him. When the Green Lantern Corps tried to stop him, he KILLED them all, destroyed the Guardians, absorbed all the power on Ioa, and then tried to remake space and time in an image that best suited him.

The reason: because life was cruel, and he wanted to use his power to make it less cruel, less unfair.

It's a simply motivation. Perhaps even noble. But he was clearly a villain, as he was willing to kill, maim, and destroy in order to rebuild the universe as HE wanted it.

/curses-- Villain gestures in disgust
/evillaugh-- Villain laugh out loud, holding his gut
/cutthroat-- Villain makes throat slashing sign
/plotting-- Villian rubs his chin, "Hmmmmm..."
/hail-- Villian holds fist up in the air
/rubhands-- Villian rubs his hands together, scheming
/bringit-- Villain holds his arms out: "Bring it