Microcosm

The brute version should be largely the same as the scrapper. You will see a good increase in survival on the brute because of its higher hp and resistance cap, but some lower damage. One thing though: Musculature, which I always like with /electric to make Power Sink stronger, will not benefit a brute as much as it does a scrapper because a brute has lower base damage numbers.

APP/PPP synergies will be very different. I'll have to check the brute versions and get back to you on that.

Edit: Ok, for a brute's app/ppp choices.
-Soul: Will not be as good as on other brutes, because gloom will cause redraw; however Darkest Night is always nice and you will definitely have the endurance to run it.
-Mu: Can help in the sapping department, also thematic.
-Mace: No special synergy.
-Leviathan: Arctic Breath is nice for the -res.
-Earth: No special synergy.
-Energy: No special synergy; you simply don't need the endurance from this pool.
-Arctic: No special synergy, though Ice Storm is cool (bad pun).
-Pyre: No special synergy, and I hear Melt Armor is not so great.

Why? It solves the two things that seemed to be of most concern--getting pets into the action immediately or easily making them bypass mobs.

If you are skipping to the objective, clearing while someone else skips there and tps you is actually more gain over time for everyone on the team, and it costs only the activation time of a single recall friend.

All mm secondaries except for FF are also corr secondaries, so whatever the corr is doing to increase dps the mm is also doing, but the mm is doing damage at the same time while the corr is not. Regardless of whether the corr is doing "enough," with the same secondary the mm can do more.

Then tanks are likewise subpar, and so are brutes because you could be getting more damage with scrappers. If you assume that aggro control is a non-issue, then the only types of characters that are not subpar are ones that focus purely on damage and buff/debuff.

I accept playstyle differences and the fact that you may not like the way mm's work for you or your teams, but not your initial statement that they are "subpar." If you want a subpar AT, go to the Stalker forum.

Your characterization of pets being useless is invalid. For one thing, if you really have a problem with them keeping up (those dudes can travel pretty fast) there's this thing called team tp... If your complaint is needing to stealth the last enemy, have someone else do that and tp you/your pets while you do some killing.

And if we assumed you are right about the primary being ineffective sometimes, when your primary is effective, a defender or corr in many situations will contribute less combined damage and support: they have to take time out of their dps chains (and depending on the support set, this can be a significant amount of time) to use their support powers. The MM can support all he or she wants while the pets continue to do their full damage, meaning overall the MM is actually contributing more. Not only that, but the MM pets are pealing aggro off of teammates, allowing teammates to survive longer.

The only thing is many people build around destiny now, and which destiny you pick can make a big difference. Not being able to use rebirth could be a huge detriment to an sr, for example.

Except the pvp forums.


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Ya, my point is that even if a set is one that benefits greatly from the higher resistance cap/hp of a brute*, it does not inherently mean it is worse on a scrapper from one that does not gain as much. I've seen that sort of statement thrown around to indicate that some sets are "weak" on scrappers (electric, invuln, dark) compared to, say, sr because the sets are a good amount better on brutes; they may still be better than sr on scrappers, it's just that the brute version would be even better still.

An example of what I mean is someone posts saying they want to deal a metric ton of damage but also survive really well and asks about dm/elec on scrappers. Someone replies "DM will do good damage, but electric is so much better on a brute that I wouldn't play it on a scrapper. Try dm/sr." Electric may be better on a brute, but the dm/elec scrapper has potential for both more damage and better survivability than the dm/sr (in most cases at least).

*Tanks are really a different thing altogether, I just included them because they were in the post I quoted

Also true of invuln or any other armor set that makes good use of capping either resistance or hp. Being better on a brute does not make it weaker than other scrapper secondaries; they are all better on brutes for survival, it's just a matter of how much.

my statement was from the perspective of AIBs apparent style: soloing the hard target almost exclusively in dwarf. A true triform style will certainly get fewer proc chances than a human.

I'll have to check that out, since, as you know, I had to sacrifice unchain, gravitic, and inky in my build.

In toggles it has a chance to fire every 10 seconds. In dwarf mire, on a high enough recharge build, it will have a chance every time the mire is fired, so a touch more than 5 seconds.


Hm, my current "human" build retains 28% s/l defense when it switches to nova. Even up to 54x8 that should be fine with capped Eclipse +Stygian circle. It is only against incarnate stuff that it becomes more dicey than the human form. I usually don't switch to nova in that build though, just because its such a pain to retoggle 9 powers when I want to revert to human. My pb is much more likely to, as it only retoggles three powers.

Absolute best builds I can muster for both, the human (actually still a triform, only with forms for set bonuses) with only sunless mire saturated still does better than the dwarf with both mires saturated, though it's not huge, especially because the Dwarf will see approx twice as many chances for the -res proc. That's not counting the extra time it takes to pop down to human and back to dwarf every ~30 seconds for mire, however.

I'd bet triforms have better AoE damage with Nova's attacks as you say, though I haven't calculated.

What you say about Dwarf keeping the pets alive is likely true (though I know THB's build has provoke for that, so it should be the same). Keep in mind that every time you stop to use a taunt, however, you are lowering your average dps as well. For the record, you can have your cake and eat it too: a build can be human centric enough to maximize survival and single target damage, while retaining one or both of the forms. Slots just become even more precious in that scenario.

By the way, very nice job You have just proven what many people thought was impossible for a long, long time. Now go kill some other AV's.

It's new with i21.

The MFing terminator?

That was my point, nothing in the Lyso directly affects that particular power of the pet, but the Acc would affect other powers and that's why you could slot it in the pet. Now, what may have happened is the Prot Bot shield was incorrectly set to accept Accuracy enhancement, which would make the Lyso work, and a dev spotted this and "fixed" it, making it no longer able to work on that power. I know it never worked in thugs lieuts, as I tried Lysos there almost two years ago to no avail (would have been awesome, as it would modify their accuracy, their tohit in tactics, their defdebuff on foes, and their def in maneuvers); the lysos did increase their accuracy, as well as the defdebuff on foes, but had no affect whatsever on their tactics or maneuvers. I switched it out for cytos, and boom, all aspects were modified because all those powers were coded to accept endredux.

The game doesn't know the difference between buff and debuff HO's once they are slotted in a power, but it does know whether you can slot it. For instance, you cannot slot an Enzyme into an Auto +defense power, because that power will not accept the debuff (obviously) or the endredux. Slot it into Maneuvers, however, and you've snuck in the higher defense debuff numbers because Maneuvers takes the endredux from the Enzyme.