Memphis_Bill

Oh? In that case...

*reprograms Techbot from a machine of death and destruction to a machine of smoothies and ice cream.*

It was specifically said by Posi during one of the ustreams that, no, they are not.

Eh, as long as it doesn't lead to Meet the Parents Of The Well.

- and, really... c'mon... *some* non-trial-Incarnate path? I know we had the marketingspeak noncommittal looking into possibly talking with someone over the water cooler about maybe forming a committee to consider a focus group which might sometime mention a discussion over the possibility of a small team/solo incarnate path, but having one *really* would be appreciated. We've got a pile of trials now. Can we maybe, possibly start looking at something else?

/bets they forgot to mention new "Upper Incarnate" salvage types.

And his sidekick, Custard?

Do note that while this is a comic-book based (or inspired) GAME, it is not, in fact, a comic BOOK.

In a comic book, the authors will throw a ton of baddies at HeroPerson and specifically craft how the fight goes. Does he need to fight his (or her, but I'm going to stick with his for this) way through to show he's a badass? Does he need to get beaten down to be dragged in front of EvilDude for a tacky monologue? Does he need to get killed as a directive of Marketing so he can be brought back ten issues later? He will.

A *Game,* however, doesn't have a reader - it has *players.* People who they need to keep around to continue making money from so they stay in business. One way to NOT do that is to take things to extremes and irritate the LIVING HELL out of their players.

See, if I *wanted* to wade into the middle of a ton of bad guys, I would. I'd set my difficulty that high on the appropriate characters, made sure I had inspirations, and go to town. I do not want that choice made FOR me, though, by way of ridiculous numbers of ambushes. Nor, frankly, do I want it made for my by "helper" NPCs who aggro anything in a mile radius instead of getting their collective rear in gear and following me to whatever they're supposed to go to. My character is not scripted for "we'll have this happen for this outcome." It is *played.* By *me.* For *Entertainment.*

If I wanted annoyance, I'd move back in with my ex, not log in to COH.

If I want to sit and watch others do things, I'll rent a movie, not log into COH. (Much the same reason I mostly stopped playing my Bots/FF mastermind.)

Funny how you make assumptions like that.

No, it doesn't make the mission "more harder," [sic] it makes the mission "more annoying." Much like the one where I didn't get to leave the entrance for a solid 5 minutes or so because of ambush after ambush after ambush after ambush rolling in - while burning through my rather limited set of inspirations, because there was zero time to rest.

Nah. Praetorian Percy's even more of a knucklehead.

Ugh. /agreed.
Just did that one last night - I'm assuming it's the "set up four spirit wards" one. There are two details that make that mission *even more* irritating:

1. The ambushes don't seem to trigger on the defeat of the spirits, but the defeat of the last *host* in a group - and they die quickly, so the ambush shows up while you're still fighting the group, and

2. The "helper" NPCs... with aggro range of about twenty miles. I could have finished that mission in a tenth of the time if not for them aggroing a secondary group (and triggering more ambushes) somewhere way behind or off to the side of me instead of sticking WITH me. Two words - Defensive Follow.

*looks at the - not updated for I21 characters - COH titan listing*

That's Je Saist, just so it doesn't confuse him if he searches.

For the OP, no, the launcher does not work in WINE (etc,) but someone came up with a script (and a few dependancies) which will update and launch the game.

How many really know about costume unlocks?
Says who? Why should my character have to wait to be called "Archmage," for instance? Or "Unveiler?" That can be as important to a concept as having a Roman codpiece or whatnot.
Thus my note about "Move power bonuses out of the badges," specifically to avoid that.

And again, I'd argue the title from a badge can be *just* as important to a concept as a costume piece. It is something I've gone out of my way to get for specific characters... just like "grinding" enemies for a costume piece for some people.

I actually don't mind this, believe it or not.

... so... you'd use the choice mechanic mentioned above to pick the combat option. So it wouldn't affect you other than adding a click.

So you have no answer? Is one sign of achievement less worthy of being up for sale than another? After all, it offers up more paths for the same thing, and weren't you just saying how you were all for that?

Again, given the same arguments can be made for having them available, why aren't you jumping up and down going "Yes, put those in the store too, NOW!" like you are with costumes?

Or do you just want to show your - what was your phrase, "Righteous Indignation?"

By the way, "Slippery slope" would be saying "if this happens, then that happens." I did not do so. I asked if those who think it's OK to move one achievement to the store (the roman pieces) are fine with doing it to another, and if not, why not. Do try to use the phrase correctly.

We've already gotten one "Sure, do it" from Tenzhi, but I'm still fairly sure he hates the game.

I'm afraid you're the one doing it in a "funny way."

My way preserves an award for those who want the feeling of achievement by unlocking, while presenting those who want it from level 1 a way of getting the same theme. Both get what they want.

Your way sacrifices one play style for another.

Then why are you depreciating another's choice?
So don't make assumptions.

That's not indignation, that's pointing out how foolish it is of you to make assumptions.

Nope. Just going to shrug and go on about my business. Not sure why you insist on villifying people. Though, again - look, you, assuming.

Are you fine, then, with doing the same thing for badges?

Question's open for anyone wanting to put locked costume pieces in the market.

If not, why not? After all, some of the same arguments can be made:
- Some are level locked.
- Some take a lot of "grind" to get to that people don't find pleasant.
- The titles you can use them for would be fully appropriate for a character starting at level 1, even if you can't GET them at that level, thus 'completing' a character concept.

Fold any bonuses into level achievements instead of tying them to badges to avoid that issue.

Soooo.....

Given *I'm* arguing for a way to get a certain costume/weapon theme in the store while preserving a continuation of the theme for those that *want* the feel of achievement from unlocking it...

Why are you arguing against me and insisting on depreciating another's play style? One which, by your OWN words, you "don't get?"

And do tell me which "type" of playstyle EG *and* I match. He seems to go for min/maxing. I play a ton of alts and don't care. I'm not a badger (one of those "achiever" types.) I don't bother with the unlocks except (a) by accident (I run an ITF because I want to, 99% of the time, not for the costume unlocks,) or (b) the rare occasion I *do* want the pieces.

One of the few constants on this board is that EG and I rarely, if ever, seem to agree on anything. So saying we share a play style is *humorous,* to say the least.

Do try not to make assumptions. You don't play with me, you're not in any of my SGs, you have no *clue* what my goals, etc. are, so don't try to tell me what I'm trying to get out of the game or that it matches anyone else's goals or wants.

Because we don't agree 100%, apparently, with their position. Apparently your arguments about the status quo and mine looking for compromises are invalid and we're evil (at least you have that in your forum name.)

I mean, c'mon, we're arguing on the same general POV. That should be scary for anyone!

And you ignored what was said in response.

Because you don't like it.

Pfft. Why should people have to read anything? Why are the wants/needs of the RP types more important than the "Screw the story, kill nao!" types? Why are the wants/needs of the PVPers more important than the PVE folks in PVP zones? Why bother with zones like Pocket D for Rpers? What makes the needs of base builders more important than anyone else?

Because, dearie, there are *multiple types of players* in the game, and trying to put something in that appeals to as many different types gives you a larger player base.

Why, did I call one "Idiots?"
"Achievers," by the way, is not my name for them. It's a fairly common category, as is "Explorer."

But, for the rest of the statement, all you're doing is proving you're not worth bothering with the rest of the conversation. Thought you were better than that. Sorry to be proven wrong.

Not sure why you lumped me in that, as I never called your arguments "invalid" and was trying to find ways of compromising so everyone would be happy.

However, if you want the other person to just throw up their hands and say "It's pointless bothering to try to have a reasonable conversation with you," so you 'win,' well, congrats, you "win."

And yet terrorize lets them attack and run away. Most "fear" powers HAVE a slow, to keep them in the area of effect. Also, do you know what they're not doing while they're running away? They're not *shooting at you.* Removing that = eating a lot of incoming fire when putting a rain down.

PB knockback is not "impractical." And, as mentioned above, knockdown (and up) is a form of knock*back.* So while you're cutting out the KB for (say) Hand Clap... well, the power itself now does nothing. Haymaker now loses the (useful) knockup. Foot stomp now loses the (useful) knockdown with nothing in return. In fact, given you'd have to take two other powers, and you've got a -damage, -fury generation on them, you're starting to *badly* hurt YOURSELF by making those fights take longer... with no mitigation via knock*down* at all. (T3 = hitting -20% damage total? Really? Worse than an even-con TO's worth?)

Looks like a pool I'd universally skip, frankly, and advise others not to take.