Mega_Jamie

I think an important point is to qualitatively define some of the factors you don't go on to discuss later in you're tables.

As an example you mention Dark is capable of some damage. Well theres Howling Twilight, which does piddly damage and is the only source of damage in the entire set. The DPS on it is magnificently low, and the upfront damage is equally as low. While yes it is a portion of the power, it is by no means it's primary purpose.

Likewise I don't recall the last time I used it as a Rez intentionally. Other than moving closer to a corpse because I was about to fire it as a debuff anyway. Perhaps rank a powers properties in terms of generally accepted useage, and perhaps in different circumstances... wow this is actually turning into a big ask!

i.e HT would be (for me);

Vs AVs...Debuff(regen), Rez, Debuff(recharge/move), Control(stun), Damage
Solo mobs...Control(stun), Debuff(move/recharge), Debuff(regen), Damage, Rez
Group mobs...Control(stun), Rez, Debuff(move/recharge), Debuff(regen), Damage

Also, while people have mentioned commenting on the number of powers required to 'match' debuff of the more popular sets, it may be worth noting the number of powers considered 'skippable' in a set while still maintaining debuff viability.... I.E Black-Hole and Petrifying Gaze and Shadow Fall are skippable if debuff is you're only goal.

Of course I would never recomend skipping Shadow Fall, and personally I have petrifying Gaze, even if i rarely use it, but i do recognise it as a passable/situaitonal only deal.



What I would ideally love to see would be a comparison including the powersets you skipped. FF is a non-issue, offering only control and 'damage', however comparing Fire/Pain to poison would be very interesting.

If the Devs added a feature to TF contacts that an individual approaching the contact was informed, "Hey Sorry, you need a minimum of 4 players to deal with the tasks I have, come back when you have that many... or wait, I have a group of 6 heroes out there now who may need a hand, would you like to join them?"

Would people's view points on when it is and isn't acceptable to kick an unwanted addition to the team change?

The beauty of an MMO is that it can be played in many different ways, RP, PvE only, PVP only, PvE/PvP only, solo/ grouped etc etc.

Unfortunately some of those different playstyles run at cross purposes to one another, would I play with a RPer that had to stop for thair character to do a 5 minute complicated series of emotes after every group fight... no, would I deny them the ability to do that if they wanted, no.

But if I found myself on the same team as that, something has to give.

Infact the prime example I can think of here is Badgehunting/temphunting in PvP zones. very few people now approach these forums in a state of rage after just having their pixelated butt handed to them in Bloody Bay while all they wanted is shivans... most people accept its a risk of entering that zone, you're desires run at a tangent to another players, and (arguably) neither is wrong.

People can make full leagues worth of teams to begin, or they can use the Q, However if a team for whatever reason wants to run in a special way, and someone joins who prevents that, then theres a choice to be made, change how you wanna do it, or change the situation.

Would it be begrudged of the team that entered at a minimum if they all quit and restarted, potentially facing the same issue, surely it inconveniences the least amount of people to kick the adds. The result is the same in terms of how the team eventually gets to run the trial there way if they all quit and start again, but the inconveniance of what is probably a design flaw falls to say 9 or 13 people, instead of 1.

I hover along Tankerminding anything I come to.

I keep an eye on the map and go in reverse of most of the team, crawling slowly to the targets. I've noticed a higher reward tier doing this

Or sometimes I will dismiss and debuff for people around the targets, tho then I tend to only get xommon (i've never had 10 threads and im aware its not supposed to make a difference)

Every game ever;

I use Up/Down/Left/Right for movement. Although in FPS RMB is often forward, and the up key is crouch.

RtControl is Jump, and the numpad fills in power activations, or in FPSs, commands, weapon switches reload, that sort of thing.

Insert to PGDN above the arrow keys also add for a few more choices, although often they are push to talk keys for voice-comms.

I rarely make it over to the other side of the keyboard, unless I want to type!

We need an exchange program.

I can't wait to emmigrate to Canada

You could always do a Traps/DP defender too.

Given my dislike of Giant forehead-giant chin man (Matt Smith) I was hoping for a very secret regeneration into a new doctor. And when that didnt happen, I was kind of hoping that instead of Matt's Doctor being the one waiting for them, it could have been Tennant he got to help out.

Would like to see some proof of that "unresistablyness" for interface slot.

I suppose I could get a power monitor temp, go find an AV and see... or mayble i'll comb dispari's thread again, but ive never read anything other than speculative guesses.

I do get your point.

Afterall our high level content before was Stopping Recluse, Stopping Nemesis, Deafting Hamidon & some alien invaders and it was all very "this is the big bad, beat up his sidekicks then beat him up"

So I guess we have to think of the trials as one really long TF.

"This is the big bad, oh hes planning on blaming us for releasing prisoners, turning the entire super powered population of another dimension against us, better stop this and beat on a few of his sidekicks... and now we can go fight him...


...oh no, hes got a super serum that will turn those loyal to him into super toughies, best go stop that before it gets out of hand, and nwo we can fight him, oh no wait..."



I guess they are teasing out the big stuff for the end. though rumour has it Preatorian Hamidon will be one of our next targets.


And think of the new powers not as rewards for completing what we are doing, but as rewards from the well for punching above our weight.

BUT, in massive 24 man leagues 1/5th of the league needs to have the reactive interface slot trigger on their first attack against a single target to reach the cap anyway.

Saying that masterminds will provide a lower return on investment is really just the same as saying any big group of players (50 man hammi and ship raids) will eventually cap out.

There are 8 main areas of focus for interface (2 in each branch) so if that cap for all is 5, then 40 players can cap everything on their first hit if they spread out enough and get lucky on the hit.

thats still leaving 10 people in big groups to do what they want, they wont make a difference.

The problem with reactive being desirable is both form and function.

In Form, damage is percieved as being teh ubers, it helps bring down enemies in a quantifiable way.

In Function because its the best (really) even if AVs resist some of the damage, AVs resist the debuffs of the other sets by just as much. Since the -regen numbers, for example, reach a piddly -10% when fully stacked that impact on a target is meaningless, AV resists will drop that to 2%.

Bring a trapper or a dark miasmist into the fray, and they leverage a -500% or resisted to like -100% regen (permable)

Interface is by it's very function at the moment, never going to make up for a missing piece of a good team, regardless of how its leveraged (destiny can, if multiple users of the same power stagger their casting) however the bit of damage that comes off reactive is always going to help even the AV fights more, the small fights alot more, while everything else does less and less. (whats -10% regen on a minion, assuming it survives 5 hits)


But anyway, thats not the point of this thread, Zap aint saying "ZOMGEE everyone go and roll up reactive". It was broken, now its fixed, it needs testing and me and him can't test it at the moment due to our test server being offline for the forseeable future.