MaxPowerz_EU

So wish we decided to hold it on different days now for example heros on saturday, villains on sunday. That way could enjoy some of the other fights (as well as perhaps join). Live and learn, im just happy this seems to be gathering some pace. Hopefully we have a nice turnout

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Well the first thing I generally look for is the Power Generator. Take that out and you take out everything. Why destory it all seperately?

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Thats the thing. If you wanted to be malicious you could.

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But isn't that in character for Villians?
If they can do mayhem missions, and tear up parts of the city, then it only seems natural that when raiding a superhero base, Villians would attempt to do as much damage as possible...

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Yeah however destroying a supergroups base will only result in much hate/frustration being built up. I would def expect some sort of backlash whether that be them raiding you back and trying to smash up your stuff then or a no teaming with that sg being in forced. Having so much damage done can put a supergroup back months (potentially).

I wouldnt be surprised if a potential divide were to happen as well - coalitions will become more than just an easy way to get a team. Only time will tell.

Well met a right character in a late nite pvp session. I think he provided me with some of the best dialogue ever. Its just a shame most of it I cant say. I give ya some of the highlights:

"that assassin strike is bull****"

"stalkers cant pvp, they run like chickens"
"stalkers hide..its cowardly"

Said stalker then starts to beat this person up without ASing. The person then tries to make a break for it only to be impaled and immobiled. More ranting follows which has me in stitches as I am now cheating.

"serously have you ever talked to a girl without having to give her your credit card number?"

Gotta love pvp

Just a quick note, them quotes you have taken where put in the perspective of The_SiXKillA's comments/suggestions of what should be done. I didnt put it in quotes, I just followed on from his points.

For me the only problem i have with warburg is I feel abit guilty attacking my kind. I blame the other zones for this mentality.

I think ive been poaching them all

I know I have a number of villains who are from the 1AT on heros. Just incase this does happen I may have to quickly create a stalker AT sg (got a cool name I dont want people to nick).

I would love for that bug to be a roles reversed. A hero team (hopefully 8 man) on a nice little mission suddenly get attacked by an 8 man villain team (with ofcourse several stalkers).

It would be even more ironic if it was an ambush mission

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Well the first thing I generally look for is the Power Generator. Take that out and you take out everything. Why destory it all seperately?

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Thats the thing. If you wanted to be malicious you could.

The problem for me is to break the stalker AT all you need to do is take one power from the leadership pool. So thats taking one less power in exchange for having the potential to see all stalkers. Too me that sounds like a destroying an AT. Look at it this way, would you be happy if I could lose an attack for a power that would make me resistant to holds or give me super strength defence?

Since the introduction of ED many people have lots of slots free. I even know some people that still 6 slot (same enhancement type) because they cant see anywhere else to really put them. Putting enhancable perception enhancements into tactics is thus not really much of a sacrifice.

I can see where you are trying to go but personally I dont think that would work (currently with how things are). I wouldn't know if having a greater power pool choice would be a good thing or a bad thing. One benefit would be more diverse characters but deciding on what you are going to miss out on might be a very hard decision.

I have read various suggestions before and the one to me that is less of a nerf is perhaps a kind of predator concealement shimmer where every so often you can make out someone out. Anyway going slightly off topic ...

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My solution would be to have Hide exclusive from other stealth powers, have Hide Enhancers to enhance the hide power AND have perception enhancers to go in Tactics. This would give everyone a fair fight, and wouldn't in the least ruin the stalker AT.

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And how does having to it so everyone can see stalkers quite easily not break that AT. There are ways of stopping stalkers and having it so everyone can see one is just stupid. There ability to use Hide is what makes stalkers and by ripping this from a stalker is breaking the AT.

1)I dont think stalkers are the most hated AT. That is your opinion. Its how people play the AT which probably makes it more annoying and hated. Im talking about running away (which by the nature of the AT, stalkers have a good advantage in that department).

Those that I know that pvp dont think anything of stalkers. They know how to deal with them and limit the opportunites for stalkers to get easy kills.

2)One word controllers. Now there is a set available for me to choose (acrobatics) but doesnt really do much for me. 2 applications of a hold (if I am lucky) and I am held. Sure I can use inspirations but then they only last so long. How do you propose you counter them on your own? For a very long time controllers have been seen the gods of pvp and when placed against stalkers this is still the case. Stalkers are not a patch on a decent controller!

3)Depends on how you class fight back. I can fight back against blasters for about 2 seconds before they kills me. I can fight back against other ATs but I dont stand a chance such as scrappers. Now my options are either fight or to run. If I was sensible it would mean I be running off everytime (which aint really fun).

4)So because stalkers dont need to team you think that applies to all the other ATs? If any other AT wants to take out a hero they to probably need to team. Notice I say probably - there are various combos of ATs that dont require a team (and this also applies to spotting stalkers).

Anyway moving back to 4, teaming means you dont just take out 1 stalker, you pratically take them all out. Teaming thus then results in stalkers being completly underpowered! You dont even need to see them to take them out of the game - few caltraps there, an area of affect such as hot feet and you are laughing.

Why do people hate stalkers:

People hate having fights and then watching there opponent then run off. This is not just a stalker attribute but due to (most) stalkers hit and run nature, this happens alots and stalkers have a higher chance for escape compared to other ATs. Thus stalkers are often (wrongly) seen as cowards which in itself creates resentment.

Ignorance. People assume because they cannot see them then there is nothing they can do to counter a stalker. This is infact untrue and various tactics and measures have been mentioned on these forums. People see stalkers as opportuntists who AT dont need any skill to play (again which is wrong to some degree but has been discussed earlier in this thread).

No chance for escape. If you cant see the danger approaching you dont really have much chance for escape. If you are being hunted and have remained stationery for just a moment you have opend yourself up for an AS. Now in most cases this be the end for a squishy as it only usually takes a follow up hit to take you down. Being taken down in such a mannor is frustrating as you are unable to make much of an impact on the encounter. The only real way to stop this happening is to stop the stalker getting in such a position to do this (which actually requires you to be on the ball and prepared) and often in a team. With stalkers just being reactive is not enough, you have to be proactive which is something that is not often expected when fighting other ATs.

Stalkers present a new challanges and alot of people have either not adapted or are not prepared to which results in more cries of we hate stalkers. Why should we have to change to deal with the threat of one AT (the way we play and our mentality)? I would assume this thinking creates alot of hate towards the poor stalker. I dont have the answer to that question though, you have to speak to the devs on that.

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Stalkers are villians, villians are nasty and use nasty tricks to kill you.

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This is a game, and as a game, it should be balanced for all the players. And using the excuse "I'm a villain, so I'm allowed to be unfair" gets old real fast.

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that would just make a hard fight but like i said nobody said fighting villians would be easy.

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We're not looking for an easy fight, we're looking for a FAIR fight.

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As they are if you want to do serious PvP you need to tie some powers into your build aimed at stalker spotting.

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I got all the powers I can get that will give me +perception on my blaster, and I'm still WAY WAY WAY short of seeing a stalker with hide+stealth. I've sacrificed a bunch of things, just so I was supposed to be able to spot stalkers (according to the ppl on the forums), but still it isn't enough.

Give everyone a fighting chance, I dunno about the rest of these ppl, but that's all I'm asking.

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That last comment is the problem. No one AT is equal (although some are more better placed than others). I read/listen to all these talks about stalkers being overpowered but I play other villain ATs and feel that it is just sour grapes. I would love for my corruptor or dom to have a fair chance but they dont. Easily taken out the game, but I just get on with it. I really wish everyone else would to. If want to get anywhere then you do have to team. If i dont want to be held all the time I need someone who can break holds. Trust me when I say you wont get a fair fight. There are lots of miss matches and you cannot create a build to do anything about it. You can however create a team which will help reduce the imbalance and help raise your chances.

Nah mixed. I know there was two lv 50s, one lv 35, a 24 (cant remember the other one).

Yeah thats fine (that is my understanding of it).

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To be honest I don't like enroling stalkers and I don't like playing witth or against stalkers.

Enroling: Simple reason is that squishy archetypes shouldn't be in melee range taking all the aggro, this makes it hard to play against higher level NPC for better XP.

Playing with stalkers: When we're always getting ready and organised for an attack they have to sue thier stupid AS ans tick off all the NPCs.

Playing against stalkers: They always hide away like little wimps, and with concealment power pool you can't stop them, they alwya bully other arhcetypes, especially masterminds.

So in conclusion they suck.

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There are good stalkers out there, honest. Just seems like bad stalker teaming experience.

Also to your last comment, I much prefer corruptors

Seems to have double posted. And its not Freaky Forum Friday

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Hey I'm from violator's, but then again I'm level 24, no good along side loadsa level 40s.

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Every little helps! You ofcourse would be eligable for Sirens Call. I dont see this proposed event happening this week so would have the chance for some of the medium levels to gain afew more levels. Would be a week or two (if got the nod to go ahead) at best.

One other thing Kinslayer. PvP zones are just one form of PvP. Try doing it in a teamed arena battle with people that actually pvp. In most cases you will see a different story. The stalker is the one being stalked due to his squishy nature

Maybe this is where skill comes into play alot more. It is defintely far more challenging. I would say pop along but I think your stalker would be eaten alive (due to his low levelness). Practise pvp sessions are normally held on wednesday nites (almost completly heros fighting at the higher end of the spectrum i.e. 50).

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People may disagree but the simple fact is that in half an hour, my stalker gained more kills than any other AT i've played in PvP zones could in 5 times the length of time.

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Oh and having lots of rep doesnt really mean jack! I dont look at anyones rep and think they must be a great player/pvp'er. Its a well known fact that stalkers get the most kills but come the higher pvp zone, I reckon stalkers (your average one) will have a much much tougher time!

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mmmm so its the whole of defiant vs. 1 vg? sounds fair

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Well, they seem to talk like they're the best. We're just asking to follow up with what they say.

Hell, you guys are welcome to join with them. In fact, that would be even better. Lets get a "The Best Of Union vs The BEst Of Defiant" SG rumble going on. Matches are in teh arena, tactical start with the cap at level 40 so villains can join in too.

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I would be very open to this. I just happen to have a prototype stalker on the test server and would love to see how it does against the best deviants, I mean defianteers.

I think this has more chance of happening then you fighting the violators as I dont think majority of them would have the test server set up (and would be bothered to set it up).

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Not sure they can really turn the challenge down though Max, given the way there are several posts on the forums from Violator members offering open challenges and claiming their uberness

Would be kind of embarassing for them as a VG to be taken up on their challenges and then back out!

If they do accept, I will certainly be keen in coming along to watch and it's not like the test server takes longer than 10-20 minutes to set up anyway.

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It takes up loads of space and takes ages to download. Some people may not be able to do it and I meant others may not be inclined to go to all this trouble (although I hope they do).

The Violators are a villain supergroup on union. They are one of the very top earners of prestige and you could say there leader Dr Death has abit of an ego which has resulted in lots of people wanting to take them down (due to various comments he has posted such as being the best villain pvp sg).

Heres a surprise, gonna disagree with ya again Kinslayer lol.

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... They take no skill whatsoever to play.

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Surely you could label this at all AT's. I mean a scrapper for example, all you do is wade in, hit the buttons and then move onto next target

Stalkers can be very frustrating but to label that it takes no skill is abit much. Alot of heros thesedays have measures (especially when got a good team) to counter stalkers. Now taking down these people surely show an element of skill (im sure i remember a big thread about skill in pvp ).

I would say stalkers are one of the most easiest and forgiving ATs to use due to there nature. Thus most people could do well playing a stalker. However, some people excel (wont mention names) with this AT and you can definetly notice a difference between an average stalker and a great one (in my opinion).

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mmmm so its the whole of defiant vs. 1 vg? sounds fair

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Well, they seem to talk like they're the best. We're just asking to follow up with what they say.

Hell, you guys are welcome to join with them. In fact, that would be even better. Lets get a "The Best Of Union vs The BEst Of Defiant" SG rumble going on. Matches are in teh arena, tactical start with the cap at level 40 so villains can join in too.

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I would be very open to this. I just happen to have a prototype stalker on the test server and would love to see how it does against the best deviants, I mean defianteers.

I think this has more chance of happening then you fighting the violators as I dont think majority of them would have the test server set up (and would be bothered to set it up).

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I actually considered getting a US copy of the game and playing over there

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I am very tempted to pop over and see what it is like over there especially as there is a free trial (click me) at the mo.

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DUE to this weeks server events there will not be a PvP night this week. Resumes next week at 8.30

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However you can turn up to Pocked D and cheer me on as a fight the ultimate battle - paper, scissors or stone.

I think I need to speak to the union leaders. Since the patch base raids have alot more bugs in them (seem to be stopping most raids happening). Hopefully we will be able to organise something. If nothing happens can always just create a team and do some mishs together (as is quite short notice).

Which reminds me, I forgot to mention I won Welsh Tyrants Arena Rumble this Sunday just gone. Yeah i rock and stuff

Also just so people are aware Rodrahs, Mr Toaster and Shivermane are no longer with us. They are leaving the game so we wish them the best of luck.

Well on the plus side, it allows for us to host another massive supergroup rumble (as no one will have any instant base raiding plans).

Or if we can get enough people we could start to have/try out some villain pentad fun.

For me its probably the challenge (and how much fun it can be). Its also more enjoyable as it is alot more satisfying defeating an actual person rather than just AI (alot more interesting and varied).

I also enjoy having the chance to kill my mates