Marut

We did that one twice the first time it was out too (all 48 hoiurs of it, or however long it was). If it's anything like it was, it'll be a good time but not so much of a puzzle as it is a coordinated mobbing of multiple targets

Need new puzzle. This one's broken.

I'll try to be there for this; last time was too close to not give it a shot again.

A friend of mine described the Twilight series in a way that has never left me - in just two words:

"Abstinence Porn"

I'm in on my FF Fender, if you'll take me

Welcome home, PG

And another welcome back. Good to see you, FM

Still here

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I don't think there's any validity in his "it's legal" argument. Those drones are there for player protection. What he's doing is one step away from an exploit as far as i'm concerned. Not to mention, being a jerk just isn't cool.

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Even with all the positive descriptions from the author of the article, what the dear professor did was isolate and underline the fact that any sociopath, even a functioning one, tends to be abhorred by the community around them. And that's pretty much what he was/is, at least as Twixt. What's the difference between an armed robber shooting a housewife and a police officer who's had to kill in the line of duty? At the instant of the taboo action, one is justified by social acceptance - the other is in every violation of it. Both take a life, both violate the social abhorrance of intentional murder. One, however, does so for the protection of the community around them, while the other does so for personal gain. One is approved of as a guardian of his family, friends, and neighbors; the other is reviled for being a criminal.

Two families just lost someone though. And there's plenty of evidence that shows that those families often don't care if one of those people was following the rules or not - it still hurts. Point here is that following the rules, like Professor Myers, and claiming to not understand why people hated his actions despite "not doing anything wrong" is a failure on his part to understand humanity as a whole. The response to Twixt is nothing to despair over - I'd actually say it indicates something to be hopeful about, that even in a digital medium, we as people still insist on custom and "the Golden Rule" even when it's not enforced by authorities. That's a good sign, I'd say. I'd instead despair for his kids growing experience... I don't know that Dad's going to prepare them so well for team sports, to say the least... Anyway, just my $.02

Oh, and hi again

-M

Belated grats on your one year, LH Thanks for all the good work you've done for us, and for putting up with the truckload of griping, blame, and vitriol that our forumites can toss at a community rep. Don't let em fool you; we appreciate what you do for us

-M

Things I learned at the Hard Rock meet and greet:

1. My definiton of "Hard Rock" is apparantly woefully insufficient, considering some of the things on the monitors there.

2. Virtue, Champion wants those players back. Don't make me get the hose...

3. The brownie sundae is less expensive and noticeably larger than the average sandwich.

4. Herostats runs just fine; your computer is what needs the upgrade

5. ExL cheats at cards

Thanks for making it a fun night, all. Hopefully next year will be bigger and better

-M

Look at it this way, Sheema. Right now, the PvP community really is a small portion of the playerbase, however vocal. As a result, the interests of that community, on the grand scale, don't get a lot of attention from developers that have to justify to the finance guys where the budget is going. That's a problem, because their interests are important.

So, what to do? Well, there's the flail incessantly against the brick wall method, which doesn't seem to work too well, because, as mentioned, the percentage of the entire playerbase involved is rather small. Needs more force. More force would require a bigger slice of the playerbase. And THAT'S where the PvPEC comes in. We're looking to do everything we can to get more people PvPing and participating in player-generated content. From a logistics standpoint with regards to making desired changes, we're looking to swell the ranks of the people involved in PvP, which would neccessitate that developers pay more attention to that portion of the game. Get people involved, and a thousand more voices get added to the cries of "Fix the arena!" and "Give us more options!".

We're an event committee, not lobbyists. That said, if this goes off well, gets player support, and makes enough noise to rattle the windows in the programming office a bit, maybe it can be more than that. Gotta do one before the other though

-M

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Give the hardcores stuff to do on Test and here.
Give the 'every now and thens' something to do as well.
Make some events that involve non-50s...not everyone has a stable of 50s to choose from.


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Nia, that's the whole point. It's to give every level of PvP some representation here. That's also why these damned PvE nobodys are involved at even the highest levels: because the goal is to get as many of the OTHER PvP nobodys and PvE players out there PvPing as possible.

Some will come if there's PvP of any kind, period. That's a given. We want more than that. We want everyone from the hardcore to the pure RPers showing up to learn and participate. That's why there's a subcommittee on fiction - to create a storyline that people might want to be a part of, because that might be enough for a lot of casual players to show up for, even if they don't like PvP for the most part. The rewards subcommittee is out there to try and not only create some incentive for the hardcore to get something for the efforts they've made to get where they are, but also to get more material-minded players into the show. And, as has been mentioned so many times before, we have some of the hardest of the hardcore working their tails off to make sure that the core of the actual PvP events that take place within the overarching structure of this "super-event" appeals to the consistent PvP community that has arisen on Test, as well as those that are just dipping their toes in.

And I would like to ask one thing of some of the people here that seem so hell-bent on painting this as not representing PvP interests, and I mean this sincerely...

Why is your PvP more important/valid/imperative than mine?

That's not a flippant remark, I really want to know what the deal is. This event is supposed to be for everyone that PvPs, or ever wanted to PvP, or even those that NEVER wanted to PvP. I ask about "my" PvP, because while I'm no elite badass that has anything resembling a rep in the Test server arena, I still love PvP. Love it. I run around in the zones frequently, I love base raids, and I even enjoy the arena on a good team. It's FUN; and there are a lot of other people like me on my server, and I can't imagine it's different on the others. And that's why I play the game, that's why I want to see these events succeed.

But there seem to be some of you who are effectively telling me that I don't count as a PvPer. Why not? Do I have to kill a certain number of predominantly Test server players to get that title? Does anyone without the Disruptor badge not count? Test certainly has the best of the best playing on it, there's no doubt of that. It's not all the people that PvP in the game though. In fact, like most high-level competetive environments, I'd be willing to put money on the idea that it's a minority population, the cream of the crop. And that leads to two very large points:

1) The cream of the crop does not represent anything close to a "standard" or a "normal sample". Saying that they best represent PvP as a whole is like saying that Michael Jordan is an excellent example for a standard basketball player - It's ludicrous. If they NBA based their player selection on that sort of model, there would be some unbelieveable teams... about two of them, and the season would be REAL short. It's not about Test being elitist, or NOT the best example of what PvP CAN be, but the simple fact that it's still a very small pond. We're going for the big haul here, and it takes all kinds of bait to do that.

2) Your PvP is not more important than mine. My PvP is not more important than yours. They are both important parts of having fun in the game. I can no more represent Psypunk's desires for PvP than he can mine, but Rift and Incursion can. I know from a long friendship with Incursion that he thinks radically differently than I do when it comes to fun at times, and vice versa. I do, however, always trust him to look out for my best interests when given that responsibility. Likewise, I'd like to think he and others know that I do the same. Without ALL flavors, styles, and interests in PvP getting pretty equal attention here, attendance will be skewed in favor of... gasp... the area getting the most attention And we don't WANT that.

I would suggest that some of those waving flags at the moment take a bit and register that the committee as it stands hasn't enslaved and mind controlled a handful of the best PvPers around into pursuing some wrong agenda... They're there, working, and working hard, because they believe in it. Even if YOU don't trust the people they're working with, clearly, they do so enough that they're sticking it out where others decided to leave. That should say something.

Also, keep your eyes peeled for a mission statement from the PvPEC. Please keep in mind that half the problem with the lack of information is that the committee doesn't yet know where our limits are, because we haven't had any feedback yet. Once the proposal as it stands gets returned, with whatever potential changes may be in it, expect a LOT of information. A deluge, an absolute outpouring. We want to share, we have LOTS to share. But for the love of god, BE PATIENT UNTIL WE ACTUALLY CAN GIVE YOU SOMETHING SOLID!

Hang in there guys. We're not out to dictate your game to you. We're out to try and create something that you'd want to participate in, but that, like anything else, isn't going to be thrust upon you. There's no danger here, nothing to lose, and a lot of potential for gain.

-M

I'm the Hero Representative for the PvPEC; similar to Darque's role, I'm here to make sure that proposals, ideas, events and the like are equitable towards the heroic side of things, and don't favor those dirty villains too much...

I run a medium-sized sg on Champion that does a little of everything. I'm a Test server PvP nobody, but I do fairly well for myself in the minors on Champ. I've got a special interest in base raiding, as that was one of the ideas that attracted me to the game in the first place, ages ago, and one of the most fun activities available in the game now, imo.

Most of my contributions to the Committee so far have been storyline development and research into player-generated content in the game industry, so that we aren't working in a vacuum. Player-developed ideas and volunteer work are increasingly being viewed as a valuable asset to game developers all over. We're hoping to get a little more of that kickstarted here

Please feel free to PM me if I can help you with anything

-M

They spawn exactly the same as the initial spawn. Identical.