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*Karate chop's L_H*


KEEEEEEYA!

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WHAT.

EVER.

You did [u]not[u] just do that!

Bah... there hasn't been any real forum PVP on the CoH/V boards for years...

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PS, not sure if it would ring a bell, but I was Night Fist, one of the founding members from Beta. But with my on-again off-again playstyle, there were just loads of folks I never got to meet (also factor in time zones, and the factions that developed where some folks just wouldn't talk to others not in their clique). *waves*

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Yah, I remember you, though I remember mostly your name. I don't think we played together or anything. It's nice to see folks from the old neighbourhood.

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What happened to it?

Can we start anew? Or is merely speaking about farming now a bannable offense?

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I was wondering that myself...

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Soliton Wave popped round my place after work on Friday to say hai. Does this count as an Adelaide South Australia Justice Server Meet and Greet???

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If Part_Troll (Excession777, to us old-timers) shows, make sure you get lots of pics.

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After five years I'm the only one I know of from Phoenix Prime on these days - not sure if LHF was in Prime, the roster was huge at one point, and I was never good at memorizing everyone.


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I was an officer, actually. I was the one responsible for keeping most of the nastiness of our message board toward the end, moderating it to try to keep as much of the conflict that was tearing the SG apart to a minimum. Unfortunately it didn't matter what I did, largely because I was too late, and secondly because even when I could keep the board clean the in-fighting between certain members simply spilled over into PMs and in-game fighting in the SG channel. That entire event is a good lesson as to what can happen when an SG leader publically takes sides in a personal conflict.

It wasn't a nice time. I regret a lot of what happened at that point, mostly because I didn't handle it well.

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Yeah, Excession loves his one-star bandit A lot of the more out-spoken, less sensitive posters developed "fanclubs" like that. I remember Dr. Zeus was hounded by the same bunch of people every time he posted, and even Bad Influence occasionally spawns that, herself. Personally, having gone down this road and found the destination unappealing, I'm not a big fan of posting for the sole purpose of "putting someone in his place."

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There's definately a cult of personality that takes place with certain posters. I don't think I'm one of them, but I've watched it happen a number of times.

The only time I ever "put someone in his place" is if they're going after someone I like and consider a friend and doing a good job of tearing them up, then I'll jump in and present myself as a target.

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I am acquainted with the Common Rule, and I don't think that Prof. Myers's final product was an exceptionally valuable piece of scholarship. However, I am still not convinced that an IRB would not have granted approval beforehand. Even where there are risks, they may be offset by the benefit of the research.

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I still say it doesn't meet the requirements for approval with the population stats, Informed consent requirment and the design. Also he is a communications professor i am not sure they would approve him to do a sociological experiment with human subjects. If i can find and IRB person I will ask heck maybe i will ask my regulatory law professor, he may know based on the legality issues..

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You're forgetting that this is a video game and anyone with an IQ better than celery knows that you can quite easily sell it to an ethics board full of fogies who've never even played a game, let alone understand the realities of an online game. All Myers would have to do is say something like "This is a virtual environment, what's more it's a game" and just totally downplay any actual real world impact it might have. Not to mention, but he himself was surprised by the reaction he got. To me that means that if he talked to the Ethics board first then there's no way he would have said anything like "Well, they're gonna be super-[censored]-pissed when I do this, and it'll send some folks into rage spirals that will likely drive them to damage their surroundings, if not themselves." cause he himself wouldn't have believed it, and neither would a bunch of 60 year old professors.

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It would be interesting for a real scociologist to take a good look at how an online game, such as ours, can positively effect the real world, and seriously ask why that happens. Afterall, our community does generate goodwill, acts of kindness, and charity in the real world. A good line of research would be why a virtual community( most of whom never meet in real life), can be compelled to help each other and help improve the real world. I would like to think that our players, even if they only play villain side, try to live up to the Heroic Idea, even if a litle bit. Has the game 'rubbed off' on us? Or is it human nature to do so?

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I'm a philosophy student (which reminds me, I need to register for courses for the fall) and I've often fantasized about doing my thesis in my final year on some of the proclivities and intricacies, not to mention vagaries of online communities (I sounded like a Monty Python song right there).

It's a different world here... as well as other places. Something I've found is that for as much as I'm welcome here, due to my opinions on certain real world issues I'm very, very rarely welcome anywhere else. As far as I can tell it's a combination of things, including my previously mentioned opinions, the fact that most online communities are really old and well established (relatively speaking) and given that most of my interests tend to attract audiences of a vastly more left-wing (not "liberal"... left-wing) disposition than I'm willing to adopt myself. So, I often find myself shunned rather quickly because I'll say something that someone finds... I don't know, sexist or something for example when not only is that NOT my intent, the accusation is logically inconsistent. So, the debate begins, but because I'm the FNG I lose pretty much by default.

It's really, really hard to break into a new online community and find yourself a place where people appreciate you and look forward to reading what you have to say. Any community older than a year or two really is very, very cliquish.

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obvious lies told about him to defame and libel him are grossly innapropriate, if you're going to act like a smacktard, then expect people to drive you away.

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Depending on what you are referencing, some of it isn't made up.

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I'm talking about people who said nasty stuff about him, like that he was a convicted pedophile and all that stuff. I mean, I'm assuming it's not true.

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I am acquainted with the Common Rule, and I don't think that Prof. Myers's final product was an exceptionally valuable piece of scholarship. However, I am still not convinced that an IRB would not have granted approval beforehand. Even where there are risks, they may be offset by the benefit of the research.

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Pfftt... maybe. I don't know.

I said this in another thread, but I'll repeat it here. The man was a professor. What he did here was the equivalent of an electrical engineer with 15 years of experience sticking a fork into a live socket and then being surprised and "dismayed" at the consequences. At absolute best he's the worst scholar I've ever heard of (including the plagiarist Alan Dershowitz), at worst he's a [censored] idiot with pyschopathic tendencies.

This guy's a sociologist or something, moreover he's a professor.

What he did and how he behaved is the equivalent of an electrical engineer with 15 years of experience sticking a fork in a socket and then being surprised at the outcome.

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This part bothered me in the article;

"Myers was stunned by the reaction, since he obeyed the game's rules."

Are you telling me that a University professor, someone who's been studying games for 15 years, doesn't understand the difference between something that's not specifically illegal (and therefore permissible) and being a [censored]?

The players enter those zones in the hopes of doing battle with other players. Drone TPing is not "doing battle", for either party. It benefits no one (something not mentioned in the article, by the way... from all indications that's ALL this guy did... then the clueless reporter lauds his "skill" at defeating his enemies) in that it in no way rewarded Twixt and all it did was inconvenience the other players. As MMO players, that's called griefing in our own parlance.

Why is this guy so shocked? Has he never played a [censored] board game? Has he never dealt with other people? It doesn't matter what game you play, invariably there's something that you can do that's not illegal (and let's be clear... drone TPing isn't "legal" as in "we approve this as a valid method of PvPing", it's just not illegal, and there's a difference) but that serves not only to piss off the other players, but benefits no one whatsoever, even the griefer (unless you count the other player's anxiety and anger to be a "benefit", but anyone who does is considered by this poster to be a [censored] psychopath).

I'm so thoroughly unimpressed with this "professor". The only real scholar and professor I can think of that could behave like this and not get a surprised reaction from me based on his comments and reactions is Farnsworth. Or maybe Frink.

EDIT - ""If you aren't a member of the tribe, you get whacked with a stick," he said. "I look at social groups with dismay." "

Oh, for the love of soup...

"Oh, no... I'm so dismayed at this community... all I did was act like a total yambag and they didn't like me! I find it so disheartening that if you alienate every single person that you meet with behaviour they find reprehensible that they'll revile and ostracise you. Oh, woe is me... I'm so disappointed in humanity... "

While I think that the death threats and obvious lies told about him to defame and libel him are grossly innapropriate, if you're going to act like a smacktard, then expect people to drive you away. Can you guess why? Hmmm... ? Professor? Can you guess? Alright, I'll tell you... 'Cause people don't like smacktards.

I know... hard to believe. It's a shame that you have to live with the consequences of your behaviour, I know...

[censored]ing sociopath.

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Once again, my complaint could simply be nullified, quite easily I might add, with just a little communication.

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This I agree with. Whether the bug is bad and whether it's easy to fix aren't as important as the fact that it's a highly visible bug, and as such would do well with being publicly addressed.

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Pretty much.

I have almost infinite patience when dealing with bugs and/or issues with the service I'm purchasing, as long as the service provider tells me what's going on and what to expect. Whether it's a plate of food I ordered, someone paving my driveway or whether it's a game vendor.

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Again, I agree that it's been around for far too long and is indeed very much annoying. I'm just not sure it's annoying enough to be "fed up with it." I would certainly very much like to see it fixed, and find it more than a little silly it's been left in this long, but I can't see myself getting angry when it happens. Maybe I'm just lucky to avoid facing it that often, I don't know.

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Depends on how much you play, how much you chat and what your tolerances are for that kind of thing. It really is a silly, stupid little bug. I'm not a coder by any means, and I have no real idea, specifically, of what's involved in fixing it, but how hard or time-intensive could it possibly be to fix?

I beg your indulgence as I delve further into a complaint I've had for years about the gaming industry in general. The service that is provided by the vast majority of developers and publishers is abysmal. If I were to go to Denny's and they got my order wrong, I'd signal the server, explain the problem and she'd take it back to the kitchent to either fix the order or redo it entirely, and it would be done without any kind of fuss (assuming it was both a legitimate complaint on my part and that I was polite and respectful about it).

Is it really too much to ask of gaming companies in general for, at the very least, service that I would expect at a damn Denny's?

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Stop using terrible analogies.

I think the bug is highly amusing and it rarely happens to me since I pay attention to what I'm sending into chat.

And of course it should be fixed, but get over this "gaming industry, developers are ebil" nonsense already.

Seriously, a Denny's analogy? Wow, and people think I drink alot.

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Oh, WOW! Your brilliant post has completely cured me of my informed opinions, formed over the course of 10 years of watchign the gaming industry! Thank god for you, Clouded!

/rolleyes.

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I'm not sure that's a very accurate comparison, though. More appropriately, it would be like complaining about the order and being told that, to do it right, they'd have to buy a new oven. Which they should, obviously, but it's not something that can be done while you sit and wait for it to be accomplished. This goes more into maintenance than service, and that sort of thing takes both time and money. Whether it should be higher priority or not is another question entirely.

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This isn't power customization, where they were thinking they'd have to literally unpack all the data and rebuild them from scratch. This isn't an already baked cake that we're now trying to change from having been made with margarine to butter.

C'mon, Sam...

There are other issues that are both more pressing and more important, as far as I'm concerned, but this particular bug is the kind of thing that most any player would see as really easy to fix. Now, if that's NOT the case, then fair enough, but let us know so that we can be informed as to why we're putting up with it. If it is the case, however, that it's an easy, quick fix, then... y'know... fix it!

Once again, my complaint could simply be nullified, quite easily I might add, with just a little communication.

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Again, I agree that it's been around for far too long and is indeed very much annoying. I'm just not sure it's annoying enough to be "fed up with it." I would certainly very much like to see it fixed, and find it more than a little silly it's been left in this long, but I can't see myself getting angry when it happens. Maybe I'm just lucky to avoid facing it that often, I don't know.

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Depends on how much you play, how much you chat and what your tolerances are for that kind of thing. It really is a silly, stupid little bug. I'm not a coder by any means, and I have no real idea, specifically, of what's involved in fixing it, but how hard or time-intensive could it possibly be to fix?

I beg your indulgence as I delve further into a complaint I've had for years about the gaming industry in general. The service that is provided by the vast majority of developers and publishers is abysmal. If I were to go to Denny's and they got my order wrong, I'd signal the server, explain the problem and she'd take it back to the kitchent to either fix the order or redo it entirely, and it would be done without any kind of fuss (assuming it was both a legitimate complaint on my part and that I was polite and respectful about it).

Is it really too much to ask of gaming companies in general for, at the very least, service that I would expect at a damn Denny's?

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All one really needs to do to avoid the chat bug is have a look at his or her chat line before typing. If there is garbage text in it, hit escape and retry. You'll write over the garbage text at next chat activation. Not to say it's not a bug or not annoying, but it's hardly ridiculous. I've gotten hit by it dozens of times, but I don't believe I've ever actually sent it to chat more than once.

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We shouldn't have had to work around this bug for this long. It's been months now and they haven't fixed it. It's not a world-ending bug, by any means, but it is annoying. It's especially annoying given that it's been around so long, forcing us, the players/customers, to work around sloppy implementation.

It doesn't bother me all that much, but I can certainly understand someone getting fed up with it, and demanding that it be fixed.

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I heard 3 hours was the fastest.

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That's faster than I've ever heard of. The fastest I heard was around the 5 hour mark, but I've never seen it.

I did an MA farm at one point, the only one I've done, and in about 45 minutes I went from 12 to 20, then quit the team. I thought that was pretty fast, but no faster than, say... the wolf farms back in the day doing dumpster diving. I think the fastest I'd PL'd before that was when they introduced that Oranbega (OrangeBagel, lawlz) with that room with all the Behemoth Portals, before they nerfed the exp on the Behemoths.

- You get to the... wait... what are we talking about?

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Got on my level 7 dominator in mercy and /b'd for a team. Got invited by someone who seemed somewhat clueless. Said we were gonna do AE. She invited other people of varying lowbie levels. The highest was 15, everyone else was <10.

We go into the mish set and it's a totally normal mission, but the levels are off. Leader says she selected the wrong mission. Ok, all out, quit, reform, new mish.

Outdoor city map, level 51 LT farm... ugh I was ready to quit right then and there but I figured I would see how it went.

As I predicted we pulled about half the first spawn, barely survived them, and somehow aggroed the rest of them, who proceeded to kill us. I commented that we were too low to handle a level 51 all LT spawn and was promptly kicked from the team.

Honestly I planned on quitting it anyway, but out of curiosity I asked the leader why. "bcuz" I was bringing the team down and they could do it as long as they pulled.

My response was "Sure, you probably could clear that map, pulling 2-3 guys at a time, slogging through it slowly. Or we can do missions we are actually capable of handling, blow through them 5x as fast, and gain way more XP over time. But that's just my 42 months of experience playing this game talking."

No response...

Newbs these days...

Maybe I should just set up a lawn chair at the front porch of the AE building and shake my cane at everyone who walks by and try to rope them into stories about "the good old days..."

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The good old days when newbs were just as retarded just with less options for looking retarded?

Idiots have always been idiots. AE didnt change anything.

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This.

With all the recent foo-furrah about the MA/AE farming thing, people seem to have forgotten that there were n00bs loooong before the AE/MA.

And, as a matter of fact, I don't actually notice a big difference in the numbers of them either. They just tend to congregate all in the same place now.

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We could even see if we could get the license to some of the sound effects from Starcontrol 2, and have the door call us names when we open it.

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Jerk! Idiot! Moron! Loser!

LAUNCH FIGHTERS!

Sorry.

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That's exactly what I was thinking, in that little voice, too.

Man, I love that game. I'd pay 20 bucks for that game if it came out on Steam. 20 bucks easy, maybe even a little more. There was NOTHING about that game I didn't love.

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I think they should have a randomizer on the door sound effects.

Maybe one could be a squeak, another could be a fart or a burp, another could be a dog-bark and/or a cat's meow. We could even see if we could get the license to some of the sound effects from Starcontrol 2, and have the door call us names when we open it.

I see many potentials in this train of thought...

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...as do I.

Add a groan of pleasure and we have a winner!

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Done and done.

I'll even throw in a moan of ecstacy and a squeal of delight for good measure. On the house.

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Dang. You must get LOTS of dates.

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Only when I can bring my girlfriend.

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I think they should have a randomizer on the door sound effects.

Maybe one could be a squeak, another could be a fart or a burp, another could be a dog-bark and/or a cat's meow. We could even see if we could get the license to some of the sound effects from Starcontrol 2, and have the door call us names when we open it.

I see many potentials in this train of thought...

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...as do I.

Add a groan of pleasure and we have a winner!

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Done and done.

I'll even throw in a moan of ecstacy and a squeal of delight for good measure. On the house.