Leo_G

No response is ever necessary. This isn't an online class where we have to log in a certain number of hours here. Conversely, I should be free to reply how I want to so long as it's following the forum rules and pertains to the subject. Are you implying neither of those are the case?

And I'm not tearing anything apart. I'm discussing it. If we were not to discuss it, fewer people will bother clicking the thread, reading it and the idea simply dies off until another thread is made.

Lastly, a wall of text implies I did not form paragraphs and making it difficult to read. If you cannot handle reading more than one paragraph pertaining to the subject, that is your problem.

I'd, personally, prefer another AT that combines blasts and armors instead because I don't see it as you trying to make an overpowered epic. I'm seeing you trying to fit a set's worth of powers into 5 slots. You're substituting what you want for something that won't work. Because melees don't have blast sets in their epic pools, they have a couple (2) blasts and utility.

My point wasn't that your Hail of Bullets compromise, or even the particulars of the comparison between HoB and Spring like the fact they may recharge at the same rate but Spring is cheaper...Spring is also a pseudopet so is limited to pet dmg caps unlike HoB...

My point was the pool having HoB *and* Bullet Rain. And having Executioner's Shot *and* Dual Wield.

Mace Mastery also causes redraw every time. That isn't a point against the set particularly.

One beef I have with AoE heaviness is the demand to leverage it. Just because you've got 5 AoEs to chain, any set-up that doesn't try to optimize it is seen as a detriment, be it immobilization, knockback, teleportation or not herding everything into a pile. Worse yet, melees tend to have the worst range of AoEs so feel even more inclined to leverage it. It's probably why they cry so much when KB is present...

But that's more a tangent. But just because the melees can get more AoEs isn't an excuse to open the deluge of AoE for them. IMO, the rangers are suppose to be the best at AoE because of the area. That isn't the case because melees will demand that advantage be overturned by herding.

Sure, but don't take that as an excuse to put in high powered ST *non-range* powers and load it full of AoEs. There's a difference between not conforming to standards and flipping the standards the bird...

Body Mastery doesn't follow that formula but it has overall fewer attacks and passive utility. Darkness Mastery has mainly AoE but they're all cones that one is better to use at range for full effect. And the patron pools follow their own formula with different advantages and shortcomings. I don't see any shortcomings or compromise with your proposed set. Redraw is hardly a shortcoming.

You say it's more the choice of the animations...but I'm more a fan of Pistols than Dual Wield and I like Piercing Rounds 2nd to only Hail of Bullets. Executioner's Shot pushing in a tie with PR only if I'm not using any special ammo (I actually hit with it), and the KB procs. So choosing by animation favoritism is kind of not the point either.

But that said, I am not against the theme as I love my DP to death. But to make another, alternative and quirky suggestion:

1. Double Tap (Dual Wield's animation) same dmg as Pistols with a chance of KD.
2. Honorary Execution (Executioner's Shot's animation) Dual Wield's damage, PBAoE mag 2 fear (8ft) and grants foe temp power for 5 seconds that casts a mag 1 fear around itself upon defeat (8ft).
3. Trick Load (part of Piercing Round's animation) Self +ToHit, chance to recharge any of the pistol attacks instantly. 60 sec rech.
4. Bullet Dance (Hail of Bullets' animation) Bullet Rain's dmg, 10ft range, 5 target cap, 90 sec recharge. Grants 20% def to self for 15 seconds. It's a mirror of Shadow Meld but is also an attack.
5. Bullet Rain (same power but 2x the recharge) Grays out Trick Load for 15 seconds.

This is the fact that I don't particularly get when people mention not liking the NR animation.

Question: with a weapon drawn, do you actually *like* the standard running animation?

Why not run a Darkness or Mind Controller and just sit back and watch them obliterate eachother? You don't get xp but you also get to watch longer.

I don't condone paying to be overpowered.

But I'd sooner pay for an AT that's *balanced* to have blasts and armor than an OP epic that just sets a hugely bad example for the Paragon Market.

And lower its damage too considering the epics tend to use tier 1 powers unless the pool has limited ST attacks, then it may sub in the tier 2. I'd probably just put in Pistols instead. That attack's animation is varied and more simple which seems to be what people want.

Epics don't have tier 3 blasts in them. They definitely don't have tier 2 + tier 3 blasts in the same pool. At least Piercing Shot can be excused as a snipe-like power or because it's technically a multi-target attack.

This just reeks of motive. What do you gain from removing the only purpose of using a ranged attack on a melee (to affect a foe at range more than just for damage)? It'd be understandable if we were talking about multi-target attacks here, but this is just Executioner's Shot. Heck, it takes away from the flavor of the power to remove the KB. Maybe you're trying to 'weaken' the power's effects to appeal as more of a balance but I highly doubt that as the case.

And this is even worse. Not only are you aiming to conform the concept to your niche needs, you're knee capping people that *actually* want to *shoot* people at *range* like every other epic pool can. I think the shortest range is Energy Torrent and Tentacles at 40 ft and they're cones.

Of course, you can not have 2 ST blasts in the set too.

It has far more AoE than any other epic without sacrificing ST or needing to use cones to get advantage of it. On top of that, it provides practically no utility. Even Fire, the element known for being low on survival, has 2 utility powers. I don't get why you seem to be trying to shoehorn Executioner's Shot and both the other AoEs when you know the set should have 2 utility powers, one being a control of some kind while knowing full well there is one available.

Yes, so in the future, when posters are quoting you asking what the heck "3em2qwj3f3wwq47rs;" means, we'll link them to this post to remind them KitsuneKnight got his eyes gouged out by Statesman's suggestive theme.

I wouldn't say 'never'. I'm sure, if you talk to enough artists, at least one might come up with a design that'd have passable hair if all you're trying to do is disprove that absolute.

Heck, it might not even be 'hair'...could be water or scales or fins designed to look like hair for aesthetic purposes.

But real wolves *are* cute! Maybe it's the dog owner in me, but an animal bred for proper survival in the wild just looks beautiful and possibly even cute. Of course, that's just my opinion and while I know wolves are still dangerous animals, they can also be loving and adorable at times.

Of course, this is coming from someone who has been a fan of tigers since he could walk. I think they're cute and cuddly...you wouldn't want to actually cuddle with one but if it were your friend and it doesn't attack you, that's instant cute, in my book.

This isn't a poll.

You can think of whatever you like as cute but all cannon/non-fan depictions of Gallon make him out to be non-cute compared to the other characters in the series, or at least in the general definition of the word. And if we're using comparison to determine what's cute or not, compare him to this:



By your logic, Gallon is very un-cute because he's not even close to Squirtle. So on a scale of cute things, Gallon is not very, probably dang near off the edge on the opposite side of the scale. If we're comparing him to ugly werewolves, then I could agree with you that he's comparatively cute...but I'm sure I could find lots of werewolves cuter than him. I'm sure Sam could help me out there

But he's got a big squishy muzzle, cute little eyebrows, softer plushy looking form, soft fluffy ears nearly a quarter the size of its head, even the cute little freckles on his snout where his whiskers are to top it all off. Talbain doesn't really have eyebrows, just a brow, his snout is narrowed and pointy, his body is hard and ridged, he's got huge shoulder and back muscles, his ears are small and pointy and he practically always looks angry. I guess I'm just defending the honor of my fav fighting star character, because he's bad-*** and nothing else...but I guess I'll take it as a compliment that you think my avatar is cute. Thanks Tenz

But I'm sure it's possible to make him out to be cute (I mean, look at my avatar...) but it starts to not look like the original character. The art from the game doesn't look cute.



Nor does he in the anime...



But to me, he's just cool and bad-***, that's about it

Yes, that poor hyphen key...it's rocking itself in the corner muttering something about being violated or nonsense...What did you do, you sick man!!?

But, to me, the points you make are different definitions.

"Hollywood I-just-got-out-of-bed-and-my-fur-still-looks-this-good styling" = Cool, to me. That and the long bushy whisping tail...sort of like the sash of that ninja from the Sega Shinobi series.

"anime-pretty-boy-werewolf" = sexy. If you think of him that way, I'd be more inclined to that description vs cute. Cute implies adorable...like a puppy, a widdle catgirl, a squirtle or a big-eyes-innocent-looking-want-to-huggle type creature. Talbain's eyes are beady and angry looking, he's lean and sharp and he's riddled with muscles...That's not something I'd go around loving and hugging and squeezing and calling him George.

But you want cute werewolves? *fires up google* I'd consider this a cute werewolf



This is a cute werewolf



This is a cute werewolf



This is also a cute werewolf



Woops, wait a minute. Let me try that again...



Heh, I guess the moral is, cute is more than just skin deep. I suppose it has to do with the context of it and there can be overlap.

*shrugs* I like posting example pictures. It's like a game to me

No, we will not.

Thrown Weapons first

Cute things don't bite your head off and eviscerate your intestines...well, a cute thing *can* do that, but then most likely you'd hit the 'cute' and 'humorous' angles to do it...and there's nothing funny about Gallon (well, a nunchaku using werewolf might be...).

Felicia isn't really cute to me either...but then I don't usually associate cute and sexy things together intentionally.

Uh oh, not sure what you did there, Tenzhi, but I think you made Gallon mad

So you can be utterly wrong in everything you've said so far in this thread? Gotcha.

But I already do educate by the demonstration of proper KB use. I don't even need a wall, hover or hoping around to show that. But as I said before, that doesn't stop prissy whiny gits from getting their panties in a minor twist. This new enhancement just puts fuel on that fire. And how long is it going to take for someone to start suggesting more of these types of enhancements to make that other 'it's unique' argument eventually invalid?

I haven't been kicked for KB either. Sure, I've had a few people bicker or whine when I use Gale or Shockwave and knocked a group off of an Ice Slick or Tar Patch another member was in the process of placing down (instead of using it near the wall I was knocking foes into). I've had people cry when I used Telekinetic Blast a few times and prissy Tankers tell me to take care of stuff I knocked around despite the fact I'm running Dispersion field on them and keeping them shielded.

But no, I've never been kicked.

HOWEVER...

The *INSTANT* I hear a teammate even *BEGIN* to insist I have this IO even if I don't want it or some prissy tank dictate that I play a certain way just because I don't, there will be hell to pay on these forums. I will link back to the posts in this thread with a bloody vengeance so you better delete these posts now or they'll be shoved back in your face when that time comes.

I know how to use KB and prefer it in some places although I can see the use of this in powers like Tornado or Lightning Storm, but that is a vast price to pay for having my other KB dictated by others more than it already is.

No.












(I can PM the link if you insist...)

Those drawbacks to Radiation Infection are why the power is available so early and why it has the debuff numbers it has. You cannot hold a power's drawbacks up as a balancing point around which all powers should be balanced toward. A set's combined utility (well, for support sets) is what should be balanced around.

I might understand the position that Evade comes too early in the set so perhaps swap it with a later power, but just because the set has a strong power doesn't make it out of line.


Traps, Sonic and Force Field has upwards of mag 8 protection on the caster. I could see giving this set upwards of mag 4 protection, trading in the extra 4 mags for more comprehensive coverage of protection. It's a trade off.


Anyway, not really making a comment on looks or balance of the set now. But you may want to rename the Intuition mechanic to something else. The new Psychic Melee set uses an mechanic called Intuition, I believe. As far as I can tell, no set uses mechanics that are outright called the same thing. Dual Blades has Combos, Street Justice has Combo Levels, Staff Fighting uses Perfection, the new Water Blast uses Tidal something, etc...