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It always falls on the tier 1-3 attacks to do most of the killing, no?

Hopefully nothing to do with an enema-arrow >_<

Lol I hear ya. Try rping a gay male. I have more trouble with that than my straight characters

Ditto. I just try to create characters who aren't too tough to write for. I have enough trouble as it is.

Well take an example: A character who speak in scientific and technical terms. Since I myself have little knowledge in either, it would be difficult to write a character accurately with genuine emotion or believability.

LOL you don't even know what the secondary effects are!

Hell, Castle already alluded to some sort of 'absorbing' ability or some such effect. At least admit you're jumping to conclusions >_>

Tacos aren't even from Mexico

Wait, that's nachos that I'm thinking of. Carry on

So 'balanced' it now called weak?

Outside of xping, what else is there in the game? Building a strong concept and then abiding to that concept is a game in itself. For certain characters, no, he's not going to ignore a computer program's cry for help. Because to him, it's not a computer program (sometimes AE isn't even a computer program).

That said, I don't slaughter all the enemies for the fun of it. Just the crooks harassing helpless citizens. There are still dozens of spawns of groups dealing drugs, vandalizing and what-not that I leave for the 'xpers'.

PS: When has it *EVER* been hard to find mobs to take out on the streets!? Seriously?

Well, if there is a meta-game involving the mechanic the set uses and it is *fun*, does it really matter if the set is TEH UBERZ or if it is simply balanced with a different aspect in mind?

Personally, I'm less concerned with the numbers and more concerned with what concepts I can pull off with this.

Also, I hope the 'taking damage' mechanic isn't exactly what the set's quirk is. Stalkers aren't meant to take damage, they're designed to minimalism the foes targeting them.

The proper term is Taiji-ish....because it's called Taiji >_>

A psychic barrier field...that is completely vulnerable to psionics >_>

I'll be making a WP/KM Tanker as that seems closer to my Kinetic Martial Artist than the previous Inv/SS but he needs long hair that reaches down his back. Bah, need animated hair now

Just stationary.

Lol, I guess same can be said about my Stalkers

I play them pretty aggressive too and know when to stop attacking to pinpoint a target to eliminate quickly (or before the combat occurs). And yet, apparently Stalkers don't warrant the team spot they take up on large teams and SFs. That's not me talking, that's all those min/maxers.

But when they say that stuff, I can at least follow up with "Well, at least Stalkers can do X, and Y and Z. Let's see a Brute or Scrapper do that!"

Can't really say that for Tankers. They aid a team, certainly, but when faced by the min/maxers, they got nothing to fall back on, it seems.

That's not nice. I did read it and comprehend it. You're just taking that portion of what I said out of context. I was simply pointing out the situations that were told to me where Tankers do not excel.

Actually, my SD/DM only has lvl 30 generic IOs so he doesn't have to repurchase SOs (he actually uses lvl 35 rech ones in his mez res click because it kept expiring before it recharged for some reason and any lvl 35s in new slots because he can now ^^). The only IO from sets I have is the psi dmg proc in taunt.

Maybe I'll get a demo rec of a mission. They aren't super fast missions but he rarely runs out of endurance and has no trouble surviving 2 spawns at a time. It's probably the combo of resists, +HP, defense and a heal.

He does have trouble with Freakshow. They heal and rez which makes me fight them longer and their -END attacks start to drain me. That's when I have to lean on Dark consumption and blue pills.

My point was, Vigilance provides a bigger buff than you're talking about, is often times more noticeable and yet still sux. But that's just talking about the END discount by itself. If it was accompanied by another addition, I'm sure it'd be great.

LOL fine. Just go the hell away Umbral. You telling me to shut up is just going to piss me off. See ya!

That's what I fear. I may end up staying with my 1 Tanker as the reason I enjoy him is he solos decently and I've fallen in love with his costume and concept.

It's rare for me that this will happen but I did want to try a DA/Mace but I may just toss that out...and I don't want to make a Brute. I don't care for Brutes at all >_> but I still have 3 of them between lvl 28 and 42.

If I do try another Tanker, I fear that only a Shield/ will even come close to satisfactory and yet I play sets once and only once (unless I delete).

Actually, I haven't particularly specified anything with regards to altering the powers in a formulaic manner or otherwise. I simply put forth a suggestion.

If you want, I can *try*. Such as, Cones get a 25% +range increase and +1 to number of foes affected. PBAoEs get no +range but get +5 foes affected.

And don't bring up Energy Melee! I'm not the only person that thinks the set needs work and even adding a 33% endurance discount while solo won't really do anything to fix it

Sets with only a PBAoE: Stone Melee, Super Strength, Energy Melee

Sets with only a cone: ?

Sets with a cone(s) and PBAoE(s): Dual Blades, Battle Axe, Dark Melee, Fire Melee, Ice Melee, War Mace

Exceptions:
-Buff Whirling Hands! Why? Well Why does Dom version have 10ft? And why does Dom version of Thorn Burst have 15ft?
-Dark Consumption and Soul Drain. Because they're buff PBAoEs, instead of increasing the number of foes, just increase its range some.
-Clobber. Because it's a mez attack so no +foes.

Well, that's if you're dismissing the opinion that maybe Tankers need something to appeal more to teams, multi-tank teams and teams where survivability is not an issue.

A penalty and a buff are not the same. That a set doesn't have endurance recovery is not a penalty. That a set has +endurance is a buff. There is a point where more endurance does nothing.

When do melees run out of endurance? Either in the face of debuffs (so you *should* be hurting on the blue bar) or on hard targets you wale on for a long time. For the most part, the second doesn't come up unless the target is meant to be fought with a team in tow.

I'm not saying wouldn't impact normal play. I'm just saying it would only do so in a minimal, perhaps even non-perceivable, way. As often as people say Vigilance sux, it actually makes a *huge* impact that is easily noticeable when it occurs.

The time it takes to defeat foes is rarely relevant as a Tanker can usually survive nearly indefinitely. For me, it's not about how long you can fight but how many foes you can take out in the time you do fight. That's why gathering 2 spawns together, IMO, is better because your AoEs will more often hit more foes and do more damage and defeat more enemies therefore costing you less endurance.

A Tanker can extend that time he spends fighting by staggering his attacks. Using damage auras (because you can get them and Stalkers can't!) improves your endurance economy as well.

There's also Fireball in the controller ancillary power pool that doesn't do double damage. There's non-critting Energy Transfer, I'm betting their are non-scourging damage powers like time bomb or oil slick (but I don't play Corrs so not sure), Domination having no effect on Arctic Air.

The point I'm trying to make is not that inherents are *not* consistent but that, if need be, powers can be adjusted. Powers deemed too strong get a mild (or no) bonus from the inherent and powers deemed not so strong get the full benefit.


With the advent of adjusting mission difficulty, I'd say such a change only mildly helpful to some builds and in the same vein of alteration as I'm asking for (basically something that could be just altered as the base of the powers rather than an addition to the inherent). That a Tanker could leverage their survivability so no bonus, really makes no sense to me. On a team, you'd be using attacks less per foes anyway. So you're already receiving a diminished bonus on the attacks (because you're simply not taking advantage of it).

Teams already potentially devalue +END powers. That the recovery bonus and +END powers are usually very potent practically makes those advantages redundant. Not saying that the inherent discount would make those sets redundant but it wouldn't have much of an impact in normal play. The only time I could see it coming into play is on EBs and AVs that you're soloing.