Leo_G

Yeah, it requires explaining. That was what was being discussed.

Fiery Assault doesn't require explaining: you use fire to hurt people. Earth Alteration: you augment earth in many ways. Nature Alteration is different because Plants are not intrinsically associated with Regeneration.

But the same goes for Gravitic Alteration (just because you control gravity, doesn't make you invulnerable...it requires explaining) and Energy Alteration (that also uses gravity control).

That said, there's also the option of just renaming the armor powers of this AT or just make new ones. Armor powers are probably the easiest to make anyway (just requires a looping fx around the body).

Just emphasizing that point so you don't go feeling what you're saying is fact but nothing more than an opinion (and I'm not gonna get goaded into a counter argument over a close-minded opinion). Don't even need to go pointing out the list of animal heroes or heroes that can transform into animal or animal-like creatures or animal/monster enemies....

The point was, Plant isn't conceptually linked to regen. In that regard, 'Nature Alteration' is more conceptually confining than a similar set fusion like Fire Melee+Fire Blast = Fiery Assault.

Wholly unnecessary. Unless there's ongoing discussion on the subject...

Oh, yeah I forgot about FoN. But most of the time I forget about Unstoppable too >_>

But the rest of those powers are 'force' powers...as in 'Force Field' powers.

I was talking about any powersets, not just control, defense or buff. The only thematic paring, IMO, that requires no explaining, no customization of colors, etc for Regeneration is Empathy. Both tend to boil down to healing on a molecular level or something.

As for talking about a Melee/(de)buff AT, eh, I guess I can shut up about it. Although I feel this AT moves close to the same team niche as the melee/buff but brings team multiplier into the mix...it'd basically be an offensive corruptor with melee and armor or a team-friendly scrapper with buffs/debuffs.

Not to say the Marauder AT isn't good but controls can fail and there's a point where more control doesn't help as much...that said, Doms come close to this. With IOs and power selections, they can be pretty tough (i.e. doesn't shatter at a light breeze) while still bringing the damage and controls.

1. Animal bodies - well you walked into that suggestion not caring about it anyway. It's a given you wouldn't care for anything not the same as your opinion.

2. Rainbow blast - any talk is better than nothing. really, I didn't care for my idea either but I do like discussing them. but you let it die...

3. 'Armor' armor - dunno why you'd refer to that. I was simply acknowledging others arguments on the subject. So not sure how that lacks thematic focus or in-character interaction...

4. Phase armor - ah forgot about that. but I'm not sure we ever got past the 'phase = godmode' argument. IMO, yes, it's 'effective' but it's not end-all-be-all. And armor sets are built to be 'effective' so...

5. Phantom Aura - see, that set of mine is a good example of what I'd like all suggestion sets to be. OP has a specific theme in mind, forms a suggestion and everyone comes in and posts their opinion and shapes it into something that isn't crap. I'm not afraid to admit what I 1st suggested there was bad but the result was not-as-bad...

6. Plant Armor - still don't think that set really stands out. A mez toggle isn't unique either.

In conclusion...meh, I thought you were talking about my 'Suggestions'. That said, I'm still not sure what 'in-character interaction' means in the context of what you said...but I try to keep my 'ideas' as unique as possible. If it's not something impossible with what we have, I don't even bother posting it...

I resent that. You say 'ideas' but I only recall the 1 you seem at odds with. Even then, you forget that the idea itself wasn't 'conceptually off', just something you didn't agree with nor do I recall anyone saying that idea wouldn't work in some way. As far as I could tell, the idea worked, just no one wanted it.

Actually, the Consigliere weren't Inv/Grav. In fact, no one in the Family uses Invulnerability, they use Super Reflexes and at that, SR/Grav/Super Strength is their bag.

Besides that, I don't think Invulnerability, in particular, is Force. Sure, there's Force Mastery but if I recall, it only has the 1 shield (Temp Invul) and the rest are really force powers.

The difference is, Shield Defense's Grant Cover is a part of the set. Snipes are apart of those sets, etc. The proposed idea is a combo of 2 different sets. IMO, it'd be akin to making a Dual Pistols and Dark melee combo for Dark Assault and if they don't fit your concept you can just take what does.

On the other hand, Regeneration is purely healing damage. The only logical paring that has no thematic discrepancies is Empathy. Because you can heal and buff yourself's regen and pass the same ability to an ally.

But of course, this is all my opinion. Making a melee/(de)buff AT would have a similar issue. What support powers would one pair with Invulnerability or Super Reflexes (maybe gadgets) or what armor set would one pair with Storm Summoning?

Actually, I think of it more like a melee/all buff AT. Basically, for sets like Icy Survival (can't think of a good name except that), the set would have some of the self buffs of Ice armor and some of the (de)buffs of Ice Domination. The set self-limits its potiential by splitting your buff power focus between yourself and your team.

Woooh, good comeback!

But no, it's just surprising seeing you post about rep comments, someone who once said:



Yeah, very convincing

You're posting that as if you care or something...

No you can't cause you can't have it. It's my idea.

The custom shield option and the proposed stalker version of the set are a bundle. You can't have one without the other >_>

Yup, you're right. That's why I suggested a set with changes in-line with the AT's style and strategies (removing Phalanx Fighting (what kind of strategic assassin fights in a phalanx!?) Grant Cover and Against all Odds with Hide, Strike! and Block!).

The whole Gauntlet thing was since the set would function uniquely, it could have a unique look too not to mention usable with those sets that can't be paired with Shield Defense.

Since discussion in the thread, the idea of extending the gauntlet option to the other melees as a customize option of SD was put on the table. But since posters like Thirty-seven and Steampunkette are reluctant to actually discuss that, put them on the list as people who think Claw/SD Brutes or Dual Blade/SD scrappers are 'retarded' and don't want you to have them

Perhaps add in enemy faction discussion and how they're distributed across origin/level (how many mutant groups are there again? Devouring Earth?).

Well yeah, because there's no official origins board. If there wasn't a City Life forum, things there would most likely end up in the Comic Culture forum.

By that logic, ninja blade, broadsword or any costume piece that isn't suppose to be your skin is inappropriate for a Stalker to use because there would be a floating sword, a floating hat, a pair of floating glasses, etc.

This isn't some sort of conceptual brick wall here. What I think is (see, I put an uncertainty statement in there but the following is backed up by critical thinking and reason conjecture) you simply have an irrational hate toward stalkers. Because every hater of the AT that makes up this argument is ultimately trying to stifle future sets available to them. No doubt so they're not 'ganked' by a Fire melee or SD stalker or something?

But if we're using logic here, no, a Stalker, if they could turn invisible, can do the same for all their equipment (sword, shield, armor, hands).

Did you read the other power descriptions? Yeah, there's a brash, 'I don't care', in-your-face tone to all the powers. With the sentence structure and vocab in there, you'd figure people would grasp that you're not hiding behind your hand but rather appearing with a large hand out of nowhere.

Interesting premise. It's actually partially the angle I was going. But I didn't want to remove hide because hide is integral to a Stalker's style for both offense and defense. It's the whole idea of Assassin's Strike too considering it's interrupt-able.

But notice from my OP the powers Strike! and Block! do exactly what you're talking about. Strike! buffs ToHit passively, Block! is basically putting your shield up to stop incoming attacks for a short time and activates a pseudo-placate offensive buff in Strike!. Similar mechanics to Placate activating Hide's assassination ability.

Can't remember who or where but I remember reading one of the devs saying they'd proliferate every set to every applicable AT, i.e. Blasters will get Dark Blast, Defenders will get Fire blast, Tankers will get Energy Aura, etc etc. I'd imagine there'd be exceptions due to balance (might never see Regen Tanks) but I think they're not going to hold anything back due to individual concept disputes.

Fair enough. I never claimed the idea was the best...

But what about aesthetically? What say you if Brutes had a gauntlet shield option that took the place of the glove piece to free up the hand node so they can pair Shield Defense with Claws and Dual Blades?

Don't see how this disproves that argument seeing as every damage aura in an armor set is replaced with hide.


And how, exactly, is Shield Defense thematically inappropriate? I'm just curious...in your opinion, of course.

But we are getting Fire for Stalkers. It's just a matter of time.

Shield, however, has no thematic reason not to be ported except that many of the powers work counter to the loner hidden assassin's fighting style (Phalanx Fighting, Grant Cover and Against All Odds). The devs have even said as much that the set isn't mechanically suited for Stalkers.

Moot point then, don't you think?

Besides that, I *did* remark about the custom options available to the set. Just like Shield Defense has several different options that make various concepts possible, since this would be the Stalker version of SD, it'd only be fair to do the same with tech and elemental options:

>Phantom-Energy glove = a hand-shaped mass of energy coming from your arm. You could RP that you can cover your entire body with such energy to bend light like Energy Aura or perhaps you're just a phantom energy being that can diffuse his body through different levels of photon radiation in and out of the visible spectrum.

>Darkness Claw = a menacing looking claw comprised of pure darkness. Again, you can simply be a creature that can change himself partially into shadow (and harder to see) or you control said darkness and cover your body in shadow.

>Tech Arm = A piece of advanced technology that is an extension of your arm (or you simply are full robot with a large hand). Cloaking device, pure and simple.

>Magic Gauntlet = That happens to contain a spell of invisibility.

>Mutated Appendage = If you can make your arm bulk out and shrink (turn toggles on and off), maybe you can shrink your body so it's easier to hide or developed a chameleon mutation that helps you blend in with surroundings.

Yes, I do know that. But the way the power refers to the star itself by name sounds more pseudo-science than if it were reworded to 'Solar Radiance'. Note, I said that name could give it an 'astrology *feel*'. Didn't say it *is* astrology or whatever.

If the name didn't single out a star by name, the ambiguity would make the origins more neutral, IMO. Radiance of the Stars seems to capture the feel of the set too but keeps the origins vague.

I dunno, I think I'm just fine thinking like myself. I never said Astrology was the only angle to look at this in, just that I could understand someone who sees it like that based on some of the names and descriptions.