KnightofKhonsu

Some of us work for a living and can only spend a finite time on the boards, and that doesn't include looking for clues. If you don't want to help, well nothing I can do about that. Therefore, I guess I'll find out in due time. Thanks anyway.

Wait, what? Lord Recluse came to a hero's aid? Why? When? Where? Inquiring minds wanna know!

I'm playing a tanker equipped with Electric Armor/Defense & Energy Melee. I'm enjoy him throughly. Once I obtained a firm control over endurance management, the toon accelerated in his abilities (IOs help too.). You might consider Electric Armor/Defense and be someone different than what the Olympian Guards employ.

You know, it's comments like this that bring a smile to my face and a good chuckle. Especially the 'random hellion' comment. My day is made. Thanks Damienray.

Amercian's Defender!

Let's look at why I said that, shall we?

You'll notice that is in direct response to Jagged's assertion, "I would happily see Taunt removed from the game." Please, quote me in context, I give you and the others the same respect, how about doing so in return?

In view on why I stated that, I think it fits in questioning the reasoning of "removing taunt from the game." Don't you?

I have not structured my build around such an event. I have found myself in the situation on more than one or two occasions pinned in place, especially when you are doing the entire Ray Cooling storyline until you go fight the Skyraiders. However, because I have taunt, I re-established aggro control before said teammate ended up face down.

I don't know, but from the overall attitude I've witnessed concerning taunt/no taunt and the purpose of a tank involved in a team is one of 'too bad for the teammate' if they are unable to handle this, that, or the other. That goes against my core value of what it means to be a teammate. That is, “We all live and die together as we fight for one another in a common goal.” Before you or anyone takes offense to that, it is not a judgment on anyone, just an observation. However, a number of people have exhibited this attitude.

And you are not? Please.


So you have? Then you should know exactly how you can be surrounded by an enemy and why you are not capble of moving or getting away from the encirclement they have you in.

Could you be a bit more concise and clear on how much you hate, no not strong enough, loath may, naw, dispise with every ounce of your being of Statesman? I'm not sure you did a good enough job.

Alternatively, we'll have to agree to disagree. For what you just wrote can be applied to every known superhero with the except of a very few. I could list a number of them but I don't have that kind of time here at work.

Obviously, you have never been in a position where you are stuck and unable to move in any shape, form, or fashion. When you do, then you'll understand how it can happen.

BTW, have you done the Ray Cooling storyline yet?

I'm very well aware that a Troller can do when it comes to aggro. I also know that those Trollers with healing ability like Empathy have to be close enough that healing aura is effective for the group as a whole. Therefore, being safe is not a luxury as you suggest when one starts using their other powers. Not unless you are suggesting that, the Troller should stand off in a distance to use their AoE powers. Then that denies the team the healing they may need.

I commend you. That is more than some do that I have witnessed.

Not Intelligent? Unable to manage my own aggro? Allowing myself to be killed? Could you be anymore insulting there Leo? Obviously, you did not read what I wrote or you read into it. However, that does not matter.
Tell you want Mr. Elitist; you suffer a ton of damage from out of nowhere as a Defender in less than 5 seconds and see how long you say on your feet. When you receive alpha strikes from half a dozen or more lieutenants and bosses because you tried healing, then talk to me about control, intelligence, and how you were able “able” to manage your own aggro while you were on your face. Because in that amount of time, I had no time to do anything but move then fall. However, if I were to base any assumption as to what you would say, I would expect you to respond in a similar manner. “That would be no problem for me because I am smarter than you.”

Answering anything else is fruitless since you called me an idiot noob who does not know how to handle his toon.

You know Arcanaville; I respect your opinion, experience, and knowledge. However, I have to respectfully disagree that this about making a case for any primary power.

I do not care what primary power you have as a tank. When you rely solely on the effects of a primary power, like Fire Armor, then something is wrong in my opinion. Tanking is not about how to maximize tanking ability, it is an attitude. I do not have one FA or IA tank in my fold. It is not that I do not like what they are capable for, I do. However, I like the challenge running a WP, SD, and Electric, Energy or Regen tanker offers.

Do I have a Stone tank? Sure do, have two of them, Stone/Stone & Stone/TW. They do not impress me at this point. Stone is to darn slow for my liking to be effective in an open battle. Conversely, in my opinion it lacks maneuverability in close quarters. Defense is more than who has highest defensive rating. Defense is the balance between defense, speed, damage capability, recovery, and regeneration abilities. This means not maxing out all your defensive capabilities in favor of a more balanced approach. You find the balance in that, and I believe you will find a better tank.

That is my approach for all my tanks, which are very successful for me. Moreover, so far, my staying ability has outlasted tanks that aren't balanced. Case in point, my Elect Armor/Energy Melee tank exemplared for the 'Save Statesman' (at +4x8 lvl) stood toe to toe with Tyrant's alter ego and took his best time after time and never faltered. However, the other tank and 2 brutes had to back off to recover or faceplant. In the end, I was able to put him down with Energy Focus. With performance like that, you will have a hard time trying to convince me slighting a few things for the sake of maximizing defensive capabilities is the way to go.

Sweet. American's Defender did the same last night too. Yes, the Cimerorans are in for some serious hurt!

Personally, I believe adding in texture to the basic tights would add a touch of flavor to boring look when these are used. Some ideas could included:

1. Rough Cloth Look.
2. Adding padding to strategic areas; shoulders, elbows, knees, gloves, and chest.
3. With the Crey Sleek Armor, there's chain mail or a metallic texture look. This type of texture could be a basic look.
4. With that though, armor scales would give a good look for those who "made their own" in the basement too.
5. Masks already mentioned; however these should be more pronounced than they are now. They should look more like masks instead of spandex coverings. (Ala Robin, Batman, ect...)
6. For the more advance costums is it possible to add in texture that might match up to those special logos? Something like Spiderman's Venom costume but not so blantent when the Arachnos logo is selected.

Not sure if this can be mentioned, but you don't know until you ask. Is it possible to have the colors & auras to be selectable for one hand, either hand or both? IIRC, Frost Fire had to different auras on his arms. This would be a cool to have a choice. Just a thought.

Count another Shield Defense. I guess I'll have to get AD up to 35 for that tomorrow night. I want access to those shields and mace/hammer!

Yes I know and I don't know which tank I want to use. Quantumshock (Elect Armor/Energy Melee), American's Defender (Shield/Mace), or Might Munchkin (Stone/TW). Hmm...sounds like it is time to roll a six-sider to choose.

Yes then there is that. I had a tanker (FA/Fire) do that to my defender who was the team's only healer. Since I am using kinetics, my healing is viewed as an attack. So I received a whole bunch of hate and when I tried moving, they followed. (I could understand if I was using my Dual Pistols on a target; however, I was targeting through our tank.) Our tank was facing me, stood there, and allowed me to faceplant when he could have helped. Nevertheless, he did not. Team leader kicked him off the team after the rest of the team faceplanted. I found out later the tank did not have taunt.

Point of this is yeah sometimes what you say happens. However, a good tanker will move in to recapture the aggro, not just stand there, and witness a teammate's demise. I believe if he had taunt, things might have been different; however, we will never know.

This is why I try to play my tanks within the spirit of the tanker's description. If I lose a teammate because I could not get to them because of "grabbing aggro," I apologize because I should have reacted quicker. Heat of battle and all, you expect that can happen. However, it does not mean I cannot try to improve what I am doing.

To date, I have equipped my tanks with a few taunt sets (Perfect Zinger) in a number of powers, including, which allow it, to enhance my ability to grab and maintain aggro. Taunt, as I have always said, is a tool and I employ it as necessary or when required. You and others can agree or not, that is your choice. However, for me, I will continue doing what I am doing because it works for me and I enjoy the challenge playing within the confines of the game’s description of a tanker.

Wow I guess you've got to be the best tanker in the game to never lose aggro or have the ability to snatch it back without a thought. My hat's off to you then.

Let me ask you this then.

Your tanking for your team, you're surrounded by a dozen plus foes, and you see your Troller under attack by a few of those who were pulled off of you by his/her own aggro. They start pounding the crap out of the troller. How are you, the team's tank' going to get them off said troller if you cannot move because you have no avenue to move. You do not have taunt, you're not close enough for your aura to work for you, so you cannot pull them towards you. Thus, your troller more than likely ends up face planting.

This is what taunt is a very important tool to use. A person who knows how to tank, will not spam with taunt, they will use their powers to do that for them. However, should that type of scenario happen (and it does, happen to me this weekend) you can save your teammate from enjoying blissful sleep on the cold hard ground. Taunt is a tool that should be available for any tank to use if they need it.

This is where I would like to point out that this type of ammunition there will be no bleeding. The incendiary round cauterizes the wound as the magnesium (which most small arms incendiary rounds are made up) rounds burn the flesh externally and internally. Therefore, bleeding out will not happen.