Kirsten

The thing is, Why would villains get powers from CoT, Malta, etc? They're constantly kicking the crap out of them, and honestly, they aren't as powerful (Storywise) as Arachnos. Besides, aren't the villains supposed to be working with/for Arachnos anyways?

And to explain APPs, I belives they are meant to follow this.

This one comes right out of Animaniacs: Basically, I post a good idea, the next poster posts a related bad idea and their own good idea, and it repeats.

Good Idea: Punching Hellions;

I have been thinking for a while: Why don't we have any Beast-Boy/Ben 10/Carnage/Elastic Man-style Shapeshifting? I know we have khelds, but beyond that, nada. Thus, I propose the Morpher:

Morphers are a Form-Based Jack AT, mostly attack oriented. Now that we may soon be getting quadrupedal Skeletons soon, this could be not too far off! Basically, you get your single Primary set, Attacks(which are effected by your form) and a group of Secondaries to choose from(Your forms and defensive clicks/toggles/Autos).

Primary: Shapeshifted Fighting (Default Melee DMG[Smashing])

T1: Weak Attack: Melee or Ranged (Minor DMG[Varies])

T2: Basic Attack: Melee or Ranged (Moderate DMG[Varies])

T3: Weakening Attack: Melee or Ranged (Tiny DMG[Varies], Foe [Stun, Debuffs, or Knockback]

T4: Aim: Click (Self +ToHit)

T5: Strong Attack: Melee or Ranged (High DMG[Varies])

T6: Wide Attack: Melee[Cone] or Ranged[Cone] (High DMG[Varies])

T7: Build Up: Click (Self +DMG)

T8: Sweep Attack: Melee[PBAoE] or Ranged[PBAoE] (Superior DMG[Varies])

T9: Super Attack: Melee or Ranged (Extreme DMG[Varies])

Secondary Template: Forms

T1: First Form: Toggle (Self Small +Res/+Def, Normal DMG)

T2: First Auto: Auto (Self +Res/+Def/+Regen)

T3: First Toggle: Toggle (Self +Res[Mez])

T4: First Buff: Click (Self +Def[Ranged or Melee])

T5: Second Form: Toggle (Self Medium +Res/+Def, Medium +DMG)

T6: Second Toggle: Toggle (Self +Res/Def/+Regen)

T7: Second Auto: Auto (Self +SPD, +Res/+DEF)

T8: Second Buff: Click (Self +Res/+Def/+Regen, +ToHit)

T9: Third Form: Toggle (Self Large +Res/Def/+Regen, Large +DMG, +ToHit)

Ideas for Secondary(Form) sets include:

Animals(Wolf/Bear/Gorilla)
Dinosaur(Dracorex/Velociraptor/Dimetrodon)
Robot/Powered Armor(Small/Medium/Hulkbuster-size)
Elemental(Lesser/Normal/Greater)
Dragons(Wyrmling/Young/Mature)

Etc.

Any comments/forms ideas/improvements? Feel free to post!

Any comment? Hello?

/signed. I want my ball!

Is this a dead thread?

But...if the...I...The heroic Patrons are supposed to allow for everyone to have their own special sets...not to gain absurd powers. It's a Parity thing. not a power thing. Honestly, I don't give a flying fudge ripple if people want to solo AVs. That's not the point. The point is for everyone to have a theme-fitting unlocked pool of powers that complement their existing abilities and still be reasonably balanced. Want to Solo AVs? Go IO farm, set your mish to -1 and get incarnate powers.

Alright. How about this: If you run a given patron arc, when you complete that arc, a window pops up which reads: "Congratulations! You have just complete X's Training! You have unlocked the option to carry the following title: X's (Student/Sidekick/Ally/Whatever)!" and there is a pair of buttons: Accept, and Decline. Accept, there's your title. Decline, you don't get the title. Congratulations.

There. Now BrandX gets her golden hood ornament, and we can just say no and get on with our lives. Everyone gets a choice.

OH MY GOSHNESS! That power exists!? Amazeballs! I am pro-Beastset for MM's, but this would cool too. /Signed.

Word. In addition to the problems I've already stated I had with specific heroes, I'll posit(ron) one more: Thematic elasticity. The powers of the Freedom Phalanx were formatted for specific themes, and that's fine. However, not everyone likes the idea of being constrained to the frankly narrow themes that would arise from gaining powers attached to any one single character. Plus, not all the characters are really equal in power, nor do all of them have "teachable abilities". Wanna learn psionics. cool. Wanna learn how to be a ghost? Not happening. (Without large student fatalities, that is.)

Except, you don't get such a beauteous golden title from the villainous Patrons. And the individual heroes wouldn't realistically have the time to train thousands of individual heroes on a one-to-one basis, due to all their heroic duties, which is why the Patrons I suggested were along organizational lines. Technically, the original patrons are drawn from organizations as well. (Widows/Fortunata=GW(Soul), Crabs=Mako(Technically breaks this rule), Mu=Scirocco(Mu), Wolf Spiders=Scorpion(Mace))

I think this is an interesting set idea, but I wonder if it would have issues with the Spines Melee set. They would either have to change the effects to play nicely with it or suppress it. or make the sets mutually exclusive. I'm sure the SCR would apply here.

Good points all, Memphis. I'll get to reworking this.

TL;DR: Police Epic Hero AT

Alright, I've been working on this suggestion for a while, and you'll have to forgive the Infodumping. This is my idea for the PPD Heroic Epic AT: A branching AT two career choices: Hardsuit and Psi-Officer (You can also avoid those and stick to basic PPD/SWAT). I drew heavily The Arachnos AT's at first, and if you have any better ideas for the powers, or if there are balance issues, be sure to speak up. I won't stab you.

PPD HEAT

As a PPD Officer, you will have Evenly balanced hand-to-hand and firearm training to start. Later, you may choose to specialize in a Psionic abilities or use of a PPD Hardsuit.

Tracks:
A: Officers: Starting as a normal PPD Beat Cop, with basic Hand-to-hand Training and your trusty PPD pistol, you aim to take a bite out of crime.
A1: Hardsuit: You know that "Fine-Blue-Line" shpiel people like to use? Well, you're more like a thick blue wall. You can take it all, and to a lesser extent, dish it back. BAYAM!
A2: Psi-Officers: You can do stuff with your brain that normal people can only dream of, and instead of going off and becoming one of those spandexed yahoos, you have decided to join the PPD. Congratulations. Now back to patrols.

Powersets:

1. Basic/SWAT Weaponry (Ranged weapons and Hand-to-hand fighting)
-1A. Hardsuit Weaponry (Decent Melee/Ranged DPS)
-1B. Psionic Attack (Ranged, With a Control Spin)

2. Basic/SWAT Training (Defense and Team buff-oriented)
-2A. Hardsuit Training (MOAR TANKING!)
-2B. Psi-Officer Training (Weak Defense, Decent Buff/Debuff)


Primary Set
*Basic Weaponry
1: Single Shot: Ranged (Minor DMG[Lethal])
1: Punch: Melee (Moderate DMG[Smashing])
2: Burst: Ranged (Moderate DoT[Lethal])
6: Sweeping Cross: Melee[Cone] (Moderate DMG[Smashing], Foe Stun)
8: Heavy Burst: Ranged[Cone] (High DoT[Lethal], Foe -Def)
12: Ablating Kick: Melee (Moderate DMG[Smashing], Foe -Res[All])
12: Glue Grenade: Ranged[TAoE] (Foe Immobilize, -SPD, -Jump, -Fly)
18: Frag Grenade: Ranged[TAoE] (Moderate DMG[Lethal/Smashing], Foe Knockback)
26: Shin Kick: Melee (Superior DMG[Smashing], Foe -SPD, -Def)
26: Trip Mines: Place Mine (PBAoE, Superior DMG[Lethal/Fire], Foe Knockback)
32: Full Auto: Ranged[Cone] (Superior DoT[Lethal] )

*Hardsuit Weaponry

1: Jab: Melee (Minor DMG[Smashing], Foe Knockdown)
1: Charged Shot: Ranged (High DMG[Energy], Foe Knockdown)
2: Punch: Melee (Extreme DMG[Smashing], Foe Knockdown)
6: Hand Clap: PBAoE (Foe Stun, Knockback)
6: Cutting Beam: Ranged[Cone] (High DMG[Energy], Foe -Def[All])
8: Knockout Blow: Melee (Extreme DMG[Smashing], Foe Hold, Knockup)
12: Lancer Shot: Ranged[Close] (Superior DMG[Energy], Foe Stun)
12: Haymaker: Melee (Superior DMG[Smashing], Foe Kockdown)
18: Peircing Beam: Ranged[Narrow Cone] (High DMG[Energy], Foe Stun)
26: Punishing Slam: Melee (High DMG[Smashing], Foe Stun, Knockback)
32: Foot Stomp: PBAOE (Moderate DMG[Smashing], Foe Knockdown)

*Psionic Attack
1: Psionic Dart: Ranged (Minor DMG[Psionic], Foe -Recharge)
1: Mental Blast: Ranged (High DMG[Psionic], Foe -Recharge)
2: Kinetic Slam: Ranged (Minor DMG[Smashing], Foe Knockback)
6: Dominate: Ranged (Moderate DMG[Psionic], Foe Hold)
6: Psi-Wave: Ranged[Cone] (Moderate DMG[Psionic], Foe Sleep, -Recharge)
8: Kinetic Bomb: Ranged[TAoE] (High DMG[Smashing], Foe Knockback)
12: Psychic Scream: Ranged[Cone] (High DMG[Psionic], Foe -Recharge)
12: Mass Hypnosis: Ranged[TAoE] (Foe Sleep)
18: Psychokinetic Lance: Ranged[Sniper] (Superior DMG[Psionic/Smashing],
26: Telekinesis: Ranged[TAoE] (Minor DMG[Smashing], Foe Hold, Repel)
26: Terrify: Ranged[Cone] (Minor DMG[Psionic], Foe Fear[Special])
32: Psychic Chains: Ranged[TAoE] (Foe Hold, -Recharge)


Secondary Set
*Basic Training
1: Combat Training: Auto (Self +Res[All])
2: Detective Training: Auto (Self +Def[Ranged])
4: Marksmanship: Auto (Self +Accuracy)
10: Defensive Maneuvers: Toggle[PBAoE] (Team +Defense)
16: Attack Maneuvers: Toggle[PBAoE] (Team +Damage, +Res[Taunt, Placate])
20: High Pain Tolerance: Toggle (Self +Res[All], +Max HP)
28: Super Serum: Click (Self +ToHit, +Recharge, +Run Speed, +Recovery)
35: Quick Recovery: Auto (Self +Recovery, +Regen)
38: Call Backup: Summon PPD Officers

*Hardsuit Training
1: Hardsuit: Auto (Self +Res[All] +Max HP, +Res[Stun, Sleep, Immob, Hold, Confuse, Terrorize])
10: Cape-Buster Training: Toggle (Self +ToHit, +DMG, +Def[Ranged, AoE])
16: Armor Reinforcement: Auto (Self +Res[All])
20: Evasive Dodge: Toggle (Self + Def[Melee, AoE], Res[All but Psionics & Toxic, Def Debuff])
24: Force Shield: Toggle(Self +Res[All], +Def[Ranged, AoE])
35: Overload: Click (Self +Res[All but Psionics, Disorient, Sleep, Hold, Immobilize, Repel, Knockback, End Drain], +Recovery, +Special[EMP Pulse])
38: Call Drones: Summon PPD Drones (Moderate DMG[Energy])

*Psi-Officer Training
1: Defensive Telepathy: Auto (Self +Def[Melee, Psionic])
10: Psychic Awareness: Toggle (Self +Res(Stun, Hold, Sleep, Fear), +Def[Ranged])
16: Psychic Homing: Click[PBAoE] (Team +ToHit)
20: Kinetic Magnet: Ranged[TAoE] (Foe -Def, -Res, -ToHit)
28: Mind Link: PBAoE (Team +ToHit, +DEF[All], +Res[Psionic])
35: Drain Psyche: PBAoE (Foe -Regen, -Recovery, Team +Regen, Recovery)
38: Fulcrum Shift: Ranged[TAoE] (Foe -DMG, -SPD, Team +DMG, +SPD)

I like this, and it seems fairly workable. /Signed

How about if the Support set had built-in Mez Defenses as an AoE Toggle?

Oops.

Coilgun/Railgun Blast set

TL;DR: Big Hunk of metal thrown by magnets real fast. Make big boom.

This set was inspired mostly by Alphabot. This one: For You!(Dude)

This set has a new mechanic, "Heatup". This mechanic, basically tacks a Fire DoT based on how quickly you attack (Heatup Level). Heatup level comes at the cost of slightly increasing END Cost, although this can be nullified (along with the bonus) with the Toggle "Coolant"

Power LVL(Pri/Sec) Effect

1. Miniround: 1/1 Ranged (Moderate DMG[Lethal], Foe Knockback, Heatup[1])

2. Steel Pellet: 1/2 Ranged (High DMG[Lethal], Foe Knockback, Heatup[1])

3. GrapeShot: 2/4 Ranged[Cone] (Moderate DMG[Lethal], Foe Knockback, Heatup[2])

4. Coolant: 6/10 Toggle (Prevent Heatup)

5. Aim: 8/16 Click (Self +ToHit, +DMG)

6. Sniper Blast: 12/20 Ranged[Sniper] (Extreme DMG[Lethal], Foe Knockback, Stun, Heatup[3])

7. Polonium Shot: 18/28 Ranged[TAoE] (Superior DMG[Lethal/Energy], Foe Knockback, Heatup[5])

8. Rapidfire! : 26/35 Ranged[Cone] (Superior DMG[Lethal], Foe Knockback, Heatup[8])

9. 109 Blast : 32/38 Ranged[TAoE] (EXTREME DMG[Lethal/Energy], High DoT[Energy], Foe Knockback, Stun, Heatup[13])

I see your point, and I'm railing for a RDPS|Assault/Defense.

This Thread: Intent: Use: Speech Patterns(Rikti).

Correct: Section? Cold Not: Find: Better Section.

Begin.

I: Agree. Human Causation Structures: Simple(Extent: Adorable).

PEATS:Also Wanted. Perhaps:PPD Could: Branch. Branches: Basic/T.E.S.T./IDF.

How 'bout a handheld mini-coilgun?

Okay, I'm not sure you guys entirely understood the idea...

This wasa meant to be a RDPS/Defense AT. Ya know, It has some defensive toggles to keep it alive. It'd probably have decent overall damage to keep it usable in solo, just not blaster-level, and thus it would not get the same exaggerated crits stalkers get.