I Burnt The Toast

Originally Posted by Forbin_Project

What I find funny are the mental gymnastics both parties have gone thru to justify the validity of their over developed sense of entitlement, and how quickly they resorted to insulting everyone that pointed out the massive holes in their arguments.

Originally Posted by Forbin_Project

I have to bookmark this thread for the laughs the OP is giving me. He's as funny as the guy that demanded the CoH sub fee get lowered because he couldn't afford this game on top of what he spent each month on (his detailed monthly budget of) booze, gambling, pron, and a dozen other sub based video games.

Originally Posted by Combat

In order to run the chain's I listed above and have the damage numbers I listed above, staff would have to run both FoB and have Hasten. And while Staff has an endurance advantage before FoS even, it should be noted that the endurance you are referring to only existing a perfect static situation. Practically, the end difference will be less because it will take either more time or more end to defeat targets because it is impossible to constantly get 5 targets in GS and IS with either repositioning or taking extra time to find a perfect target.

Very few AoE chains would be possible to chain indefinitely, so EPS isn't as big a problem as single target chains. Because perfect sustainablity isn't possible in most situations, achieving it is not a very practical goal. Even Staff's basic AoE chain of GS-IS-GS-EotS, which is pretty stringent by AoE standards, burns about 4.5 end/sec before enhancements.

Originally Posted by dougnukem

Isn't there already a reward system that Premium players benefit from built in the Paragon Rewards? Each tier offering permanent access to various things such as IOs, AE, the Market, exc.

Originally Posted by Combat

Again, I would agree an issue or two ago.

But everything I have suggested could be done with things currently in game. Therefore, it wouldn't take nearly the amount of effort you are proscribing. And though I would like to have everything contained in this suggestion, the basics could be done easily.

Originally Posted by Kirsten

is it just me, or does it sound like the OP is suggesting we turn PvP into DCUO?

Originally Posted by Forbin_Project

Depends on the size of the inspiration. I sold the green insp from the tutorial yesterday for half a million inf.

As long as the size of the insp dropped is comparable to the NPC getting ganked I see no problem, but I still think badges should be included.

Originally Posted by Leo_G

Thinking out loud:

Gah! I'm so sick and tired of more JUNK! I mean...Catalysts, Boosters, Converters, Unslotters...now maximizers and minimaizers? Oy...

Not that I dislike the idea, but not only is it getting annoying spending my earnings (Paragon Points, merits or incarnate stuff) on getting nice stuff like this, waiting for the chance for it to drop can get frustrating too.

As an alternate idea, I'd love it if crafting were an actual skill to build up, just like in MMOs...currently, the only carrot to build the crafting skill (through badges) is the portable crafting table. But you know what would make me want to get those badges on more characters? If we could *do* more with crafting in general.

Rather than waiting for a specialty drop to give you the ability to increase or lower the level of an invention enhancement, how about making that an ability unlocked through a crafting badge? After working to unlock the crafting table, make a badge for converting a certain amount of enhancements too and the payoff is an accolade crafting power that grants you the skill of lowering or increasing levels on enhancements. Maybe the parts required to do that are simply basic IOs of the same enhancement types and proper level...so if you want to increase the level of a lvl 23 Kinetic Combat Acc/Dmg, you need the badge + a lvl 25 basic dmg IO and acc IO. Lower a LotG rech bonus IO? Just the IO and basic def IOs of the proper level.

Basically, crafters with experience should have the freedom of altering levels of IOs rather than waiting for a rare drop.

Originally Posted by Combat

I would agree with you, if the coding for everything I mention wasn't mostly in place.

The team up teleporter? Have that. Even does multiple teams.

Tech to nullify existing powers? Anyone that has a rocket board can tell you that we have that.

Contact to change the powers? Null the Gull.

This doesn't change the mechanics. Ideally, this system wouldn't need the complex rules added to PvP in I13, but even if it did have them it would merely be a new option, not a change to all PvP. Standard code rant applies, but none of the individual components would be new to the game.

And for your point about Arena Chat/Global Channels: They exist, but still don't speed up the process enough. And the work in an exclusionary fashion, making it harder for new entrees to have people (they would have to know the right globals or even know that the arena chat exists). And the existence of global channels didn't mean that the TuT wasn't faster in a lot of cases (and once the improvements come in, in virtually every case).

And while CoH will never have a hardcore PvP crowd like many other games, they might have some success with a very casual friendly system like the one above. The Team Fortress style PvP is probably the best fit for a super-casual game like CoH.

Originally Posted by JayboH

Thrown Weapons blast set? That sounds incredibly interesting and something that we could always use.

Originally Posted by Aura_Familia

Ehhhh, I don't know about that.

For new mmos sure, but this isn't a new mmo. People coming to play this game the first time aren't coming to it for the riveting pvp.

We already know it's not a good business decision seeing as how a majority of the playerbase doesn't pvp.

With all that said they should do SOMETHING about pvp EVENTUALLY.

But pvp was not the point of this player summit. Anyone who's been paying attention since it's been announced should know that. This event was NOT about big reveals that players didn't know about. PVP if they were doing anything about it would fall under that. So not surprising that the folks who asked about it got the response they did.

Also not surprising about the lolpvp.

Originally Posted by Combat

I've heard that a lot in this thread, and it is an opinion I am frankly puzzled by.

"I think Staff numerically underperforms, but doesn't begin to show that until higher levels. Can we change some of the powers to make it a little better at the high end?"

"Screw the numbers, just have fun"

How is that a valid answer to a numerical complaint? If the numbers are changed without cottage ruling everything, the set will still mostly play the same way. It won't hurt your fun. To be frank, as much as it is great that a powerset is fun to a lot of people, that shouldn't stop the devs from trying to balance that set, whether it is over or underachieving.

And to me, fun is often a factor of easiness to play, and at low levels staff is absolutely basically works like a Mac. It succeeds because it is easy and simple to use, largely because the relative strength of its AoEs and the power of FoS. It is kind of like Willpower for the early levels, because it makes everything easier, but it doesn't have the raw numbers to be a top (or above average set) in the late-game. That said, even bottom dwelling melee sets can do ridiculous things, and staff still maintains a niche by offering survability in ways other sets can't. Personally, I don't the damage should suffer for that, just like DM isn't penalized by having -tohit in every attack, or Kinetic having -dam when using power siphon.

Originally Posted by UberGuy

I don't want that as a gimmick for a new powerset. I want that added to all the existing primary/secondary self-rezzes in the game.

Originally Posted by Snow Globe

Yeah, that is what I was getting at:

How many master accounts buying how many Super Packs broken into Paragon Points vs Paragon Rewards would paint a true picture of the Super Packs health. By saying 3,000,000 cards (not packs, but cards) they are going out of their way to portray the packs in the best possible light. What, exactly are they trying to hide? That only a subset of players/accounts are bothering with these?


They already said on Wednesday's Ustream that they wouldn't be releasing those details. I know, I specifically asked Zwillinger that and that was his reply.


I don't think anyone could do that.

Originally Posted by Psychoti

I don't want to put words in their mouths but they acknowledged that there is player interest and that they have to take things very slow because bases are a huge beast that is pretty fragile and easy to break entirely with the wrong small changes.

Originally Posted by Android_5Point9

As opposed to metaphorically plugging your ears and saying "lalalala we're not talking about thaaaat~!" I understand it's a rough issue to go forward with, but I'd have appreciated some real discussion over it. The people who were asking questions with any regularity at the summit seemed fairly reasonable (except the one girl who was into mass murder and robbing banks because she can't in real life - that was a tad strange ), and I think something decent could have come out of it if they tried to talk to the community instead of ignoring it and repeating "we hear you" over and over.



There was one problematic person I remember who wouldn't stop nagging about it. Otherwise there was some fairly innocent asking about it met with either indifference or mocking (from the ustream chat). There are also pvp zones, 4 of them in fact, which by any standard is a ton of resources sitting around and doing nothing at the moment.

Originally Posted by JayboH

Would like to have known what the alternatives were.