Greyhame

I made the same mistake initially Synapse. It's a big thread. Perhaps you could edit the original OP to include a statement, "This list of changes is outdated please see: [link to post with current info]."

I'm aware that other powers can slot it. I was referring specifically to the proc. Getting significant benefit out of the proc requires an AoE power that takes accurate healing. Which is one power in the entire game.

I'm hoping for something a little more complex. This is Nemesis after all; he did say the point was to spread defenses thin... but not why.

One could argue that Theft of Essence adds significantly to Dark Armor's playability. Not that DA is broken without it (leveled my SS/DA long before IOs) but that one proc does make a huge difference in survivability (via increased ability to spam DR) and QoL.

It's also the only proc that I would be genuinely upset about if it were significantly nerfed, simply for the QoL loss. I've always viewed it as Castle's sneaky underhanded means of buffing DA without actually buffing DA. After all, there's exactly one power in the game that gets any real use out of it, and it's a huge use. I doubt that was accidental.

My bad. I admit I didn't read the entire humongous thread before replying. Didn't realize Synapse had changed the proposal. Good God he has a lot of post in this thread... *goes back to reading*

Agreed. This won't prevent the screwing up of perfect min/maxed chains, but it will prevent the procs from becoming virtually nonfunctional in a League with tons of AoE recharge buffs.

A little perspective is in order here. This change leaves 99.999% of the game unaffected. It only affects procs. It only heavily affects super IO'd builds that also have perfectly calculated attack chains (a tiny minority), and those attack chains are mostly a solo or single target thing. On a more chaotic team or aoe basis (which is most of the game) those chains are less used/useful.

I'd bet that most players won't even notice the change.

I haven't bought any, but I'll have to examine the possibility. I can buy a set for less than 1 hour of overtime at work. I can't make that much inf in game in an hour. It's probably going to be more efficient to just work extra. Good thing I like my job

And you believe this proves that controllers do most of their damage through pets? I stand by my post above.

Is he 32 yet? I wanna see Granite Breakdance!!

I had similar issues finding a Kin that I liked. It wasn't so much about effectiveness as finding something with a playstyle that I enjoyed. After several characters I finally settled on a Dark/Kin corr and love it, but flashy it is not. YMMV.



I'm not trying to be offensive here, but I don't think you know what you're talking about.



1) I've played several troller/def/corr kins and never have had problems finding time to use my other powerset.

2) Your team doesn't need any Kins, but having more than one certainly won't hurt. No player is perfect, and everyone isn't always in position to be buffed; also there isn't always a big spawn around throw FS at. More than one Kin will increase the chances that the team stays damage capped all the time.

3) Controllers haven't done most of their damage through pets since Issue 4.

4) My corr doesn't spend less time using Kin powers than my def. I use the Kin stuff first then spend the rest of the time blasting. Its the same either way.

5) One Kin def/corr can damage cap the team; neither has significant advantage there. The def will do slightly better on the other buffs/heals, but not so its noticeable. The corr will do noticeably more personal damage due to a higher damage cap.

6) Kin is a great set, but calling it the most powerful buff/debuff set is absurd given its relative lack of debuffs. Define your metric. Personally I'd take Cold over Kin on most teams; the living out-damage the dead.

7) Kin has powerful offense, but is fragile; it synergises well with sets that provide significant mitigation of some kind (part of the reason I like it with Dark).

I think its a great looking animation. I'd love to have it on a dance emote.... but it is not an attack. Its not even remotely attack like, which is just plain silly IMO.

Yes. *chuckle*

Why?

Yes but 'worth playing' for most of us means roughly comparable performance. Certain other folks think 'worth playing' means 'contender for top DPS or Farming ability'.

Win.


Also, I think the last few powers are misnamed. They should be:

break-it-down
STABBIN-YER-TOESIES
Corner Pocket
and
We stole this from Titan Weapons

I am objecting to the attitude that tanks need a buff because brutes are good. The entire viewpoint is warped.

Also, given the admission above and the tone of several of your previous posts in this thread, I wonder at your reasons for creating this topic.

I believe I will opt not to provide further feeding.

IMO you are asking the wrong question. The right question is: which AT/powerset is *best* to start out with? It isn't an easy-mode character that teaches nothing but bad habits (such as reliance on QR).

I would recommend something fun/playable and desirable on teams that teaches an appreciation of team and game mechanics. Probably troller/def/corr. I wouldn't recommend blasters because they teach team mechanics but won't teach anything about how important buff/debuff/control is in this game.

This argument seems flawed.

This is the answer. EM was absurdly OP on stalkers in the old PvP - greatly superior to every other Stalker primary. The devs made a number of mistakes balancing PvE powers for PvP and EM's treatment was one of them.

At this point the game has changed so radically that a reevaluation of the set is in order. Adding AoE is not, however; some sets are supposed to be ST specialists.