Grae Knight

Originally Posted by Finsplit

After SSA 4, I'm suspecting "epic death" means that heroside, your hero is forced to stand by helplessly while Statesman dies, while villainside, your villain stands by and applauds politely while somebody else kills Statesman.

Of course, besides the STF and Maria's arc, this will mean having to rewrite the last arc of the VEAT storyline.

Originally Posted by shaggy5

I appreciate the response, sincerely. I guess I don't feel I should have to add any kind of fire powers to my tank if conceptually that is not what I am going for. (Or range at all, for that matter!). But I am still wanting to hear from others.

Originally Posted by SinisterDirge

Don't worry devs, it isn't ruined for me. I am very excited to see how he goes.

Originally Posted by VoodooCompany

Here's the misdirection - Statesman, the persona, dies. Cole just changes his name and costume, probably to something like Freedom Man, and gets a little edgier.

Or he changes his name to Bastion. And then Citadel goes all @#$#@$#@$% @%$#%@# and terrorizes Talos with his fuming rampage.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison

Saying it three times doesn't make your lack of math any better. If you think adding in the rest of the powers would yield different results, you should be doing the math to prove such.

Since you seem to be afraid to do it, let me continue.

We'll compare the heals this time, since you brought that up as a point of discrepancy. All using base numbers for tanks.

Healing Flames is a 468.5 point heal for 10.4 endurance. You're getting 45 hit points for each point of endurance.

If we assume the standard three enemies, Dark Regeneration is a 1686.6 heal for 33.8 endurance. You're getting 49.9 hit points for each point of endurance. Looks to be the better deal to me, provided the user can activate it intelligently.

Originally Posted by Ultimus

The problem I think is the Tanker is too specialized, there is no content in the game that a Tanker can tank that a Brute or Kheldian cannot. (The game defines both Brutes and Kheldians as "Tanks)

Personally, I think all the Tank classes should be streamlined meaning that yes they should all get the same HP/Resist/Defense Caps. However, they should each bring something different to the table:

Brutes bring massive damage

Kheldians Bring tons of flexibility from pets, to heals, to shapeshifting with various attacks

Tankers just bring higher defensive mods and bruising.

I think the bruising is the right direction for Tankers and will get to this more in a second.

The Current Problem with Content and Tankers

The problem here is like I said above, a Kheldian and Brute can Tank whatever a Tank can. This leads to a few things:

1) Buff the content or nerf the other ATs to where only the Tanker can tank it. Personally, I think this goes in the wrong direction. As someone that played MMORPG's since Ultima Online and even Everquest where I was in a major raiding guild (I played with all the developers of World of Warcraft actually) one of the main problems in EQ was that there was only ONE main tank, the warrior class.

World of Warcraft also learned from this same mistake because the Warrior in that game for the first years of raiding content only they could tank stuff. In the current day and age WOW now has 4 tanks all equally viable in terms of tanking, the Paladin, Warrior, Death Knight, and the Druid. This makes it a lot less frustrating to form a group because you don't need *X* class. WOW also learned from this mistake by spreading out the various buffs to where various classes shared the same buffs. (IE Bloodlust, which made you attack much faster) used to be limited to one class. Now several classes have it so that a raid isn't pigeon-holed into needing that one class.

Since COH now has a type of raiding environment, and grouping environments, buffing Tanks to the point or nerfing other AT's or buffing content to where one class can do it would be a big frustration on players. A game needs flexibility to survive and to be fun.

2) As I stated above, I think the Tanking classes of this game should be streamlined and have the same caps and resistances. However, the flavor of each class should be different similar to World of Warcraft because that is what helps define that class and gives them more fun.

Bruising I think is a step in the right direction. It brings to the table a debuff that benefits the Tanker and the entire team.

Personally, I think Tankers should be given more debuffs in this fashion or possible buffs. IE, maybe knocking a foe back cripples their movement, or giving Tankers a shield ability to absorb damage from a teammate.

Maybe if Tankers had inherent buffs they could bring to the team (Similar to Warrior shouts in WOW) where you have access to 6-7 buffs but you can only have one up at a time. They could range from +Resistance, to +DMG, to +HP, to maybe things like -to hit.

A tanker could only use one at a time but multiple tankers could stack them.

3) So lets assume we streamlined the Tanking classes:

Brute = Damage in addition to Tanking

Warshade = Pets, Eclipse, various holds and debuffs, and of course the human/squid form

Peacebringer = Human/Squid form, heals, debuffs, etc

Tanker could = Buffs, Debuffs, utility, etc and a higher defense/resist mod.

Thoughts?