Gorgog

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what do u mean by "hit or miss"?

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Kinetics has to hit with its buffs, debuffs and heals, Rad doesnt, apart from its slow.

Thats what I mean .

Gorgog

So far, touch wood, ive had very very little problem fighting any brute as long as AM and LR are up.

Rad may take longer to kill regen, but so far its certainly not been impossible.

Think winning with Kin can be a hit or miss thing, if you know what I mean , and for me less reliable.

Edit: Damn why do I always end up editing? . Vs blasters most ATs will have probs vs a good blaster if the blaster gets the drop. If not, its about even going on to favour Rad in my exp.

Gorgog

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Union
Trolls:Ill/Rad,MC/Rad,Fire/Storm
Blap:Ice/Nrg
Offender:Rad/Psi
Tank:Ice/Stone

Vilians
Stalker:Spines/Regen
Corrupter:Ice/Rad
Brute:Stone/EM

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It will end up us just fighting eachothers and possibly missing all the other fun in the area. So attitude like this is possibly not the best way to react....

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Well if someone attacks you and kills you I think most ppl will try to come back and kill the attacker. Other then leaving the map like a big jessy how else can they react?

Gorgog

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we will just end up hunting eachothers till the end of the world

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Thats what PvP zones are for, no? Cant see any other purpose for em

Guess its hard to say as ive not fought more then half a dozen SR and Regen and alot has to do with build but Ill/Rad seems to deal with both equally well.

Spines can be tricky purely due to luck with ranged crits but then I would think spines would be even nastier for Kin.

Ive had probs vs fire/rad and a fully upgraded Nin/Dark.

Other then that pretty confident vs all others, 1v1 that is.

So would still say Rad > Kin for 1v1, I would rather be able to beat everything more slowly then most quickly .

Think also what I am trying to say is that Rad should be better vs more sets as it buffs and debuffs almost everything while Kin doesnt.

Gorgog

Edit: hmm, just read that you think Rad cant take on as many builds. Not saying your wrong but can you pls tell me which so I can look out for em.

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Union
Trolls:Ill/Rad,MC/Rad,Fire/Storm
Blap:Ice/Nrg
Offender:Rad/Psi
Tank:Ice/Stone

Vilians
Stalker:Spines/Regen
Corrupter:Ice/Rad
Brute:Stone/EM

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a scrapper will get hit by all of those, he will beg to run away and ask you nicely to kill him already.

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Or he will run right through it with his 4 slotted SS and 3 slotted swift and sprint and smack you one for thinking he cant .

Gorgog

Just cos of boost to Fulcrum Shift tbh. Not a big fan of kinetics though, not only do you have to hit to buff and debuff you cant debuff acc or defence. Also you can more or less fire and forget Rad's buffs and debuffs alot of the time.

But then I am just a Rad fanboy , esp for 1v1s.

Gorgog

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Union
Trolls:Ill/Rad,MC/Rad,Fire/Storm
Blap:Ice/Nrg
Offender:Rad/Psi
Tank:Ice/Stone

Vilians
Stalker:Spines/Regen
Corrupter:Ice/Rad
Brute:Stone/EM

Maybe we should try to list what we think is going too far and ask if the devs could include it?

I can only think of two things really, TP foe into drones and holding a person in some way on purpose so they get debt.

Bottom line is if we cant think of what rules should be in place and we play the game then why should we expect the devs to be able to going by complaints on posts?

Im really not disagreeing with you, but can you give me examples of anything else rules may cover please. A rule saying "No duels in PvP open areas" would be as lame as one saying "Nobody must attack duelers or spectators" IMHO.

Gorgog

Storm has to be the most fun set to play with.

From chucking people off buildings to hurding 50 trolls to overrun the Hollows entrance youll never need to even bother with a secondary .

Dark though is probably the secondary that stands out from the others most.

Gorgog

Would think Fire/Rad > Fire/Kin 1v1, unless your up against an AT with pets.

Gorgog

To me it isnt a blur spot as I dont feel it is at all wrong to kill a single person with a team. Personaly I wouldnt get light headed at the power of it or even feel I would want to but then I tend to respect duels.

So many people are saying anything goes, so ganking goes as well, we just have to make our own decisions on it and live with the reactions of others.

Also my example was based on the fact that ppl who duel will most likely know each other to some extent and therefore help anyone, spectator or not, who gets attacked. Which again is completly acceptable, to me at least .

Edit: Do we really need more rules though? I think on both sides we can all agree that its bad language and personal put downs that offends the most and those are already against the rules.

Gorgog

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Union
Trolls:Ill/Rad,MC/Rad,Fire/Storm
Blap:Ice/Nrg
Offender:Rad/Psi
Tank:Ice/Stone

Vilians
Stalker:Spines/Regen
Corrupter:Ice/Rad
Brute:Stone/EM

There are quite a few reasons to duel in PvP zones:

A) Lazyness -You go there for open fights but the sides are so uneven that you decide to fight 1v1 without having to run to the arena.

B) You want to talk about tactics etc. and 30mins timeout is a pain.

C) Nobody else there at the time and your waiting for more to come in.

Personally I think Sirens is the worst place to dual as people get bounty on them and therefore duels do get in the way of what the area was made for.

In Warburg Ive dueled loads, true you should expect people to attack you and if you start being rude because they do then you are certainly in the wrong.

However, you dont have to say "please" and "thank you" IRL, it just so happends that it is sometimes easier on you if you do . If you attack anyone watching or dueling in Warburg dont be at all suprised if the whole lot turn round in seconds and make you wish you hadnt.

End of the day though its just a game so as long as people are polite about it, who cares?

Gorgog

Edit: P.S. Guess alot has to do with point of view though. Personally Ill attack on sight anyone who uses terms such as "PWNED" and "NOOB" on broadcast.

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Union
Trolls:Ill/Rad,MC/Rad,Fire/Storm
Blap:Ice/Nrg
Offender:Rad/Psi
Tank:Ice/Stone

Vilians
Stalker:Spines/Regen
Corrupter:Ice/Rad
Brute:Stone/EM

Sorry edited post as youve already mentioned AS. Resilience isnt worth 3 slotting most likely and 1 Acc will never be enough for attacks in PvP, +5% is nice but not nearly enough.

Ive got AS with 3Acc and 3Dam for that extra little chance to hit and detoggle PFF, but recharge is prob as good as the extra Acc.

Stealth still stacks and is almost a must have (unless your EM ).
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Union
Trolls:Ill/Rad,MC/Rad,Fire/Storm
Blap:Ice/Nrg
Offender:Rad/Psi
Tank:Ice/Stone

Vilians
Stalker:Spines/Regen
Corrupter:Ice/Rad
Brute:Stone/EM

Not to mention Pool Tables! Beats anything Ill has stone dead.

Gorgog

Erm... Well... Whats so bad about Grav?

I thought Singularity had very good control to back up those already in the set and if it is bringing a controller to the team why does the controller have to be doing all the damage, isnt that what blasters and scrappers are for?

Ok, never played grav. so please tell me why its so bad for teaming.

Gorgog

Easy Ill/Rad

Even did invinc with my blaster in I4 but Ill/Rad is by far the easiest to solo.

Good damage, good ability to tank after only level 18 and rad complements it the best as it has mostly debuffs instead of buffs.

Gorgog

P.S. Always thought it was common knowledge Ill/Rad was easy mode .

Rad is probably the best secondary for 1v1 overall, however, I recently fought a level 40 Nin/Dark MM and was completely walked over with my Ill/Rad troller (allowed him to fully upgrade all pets 1st).

Dont have terror in my build atm which would have helped but the only troller I could kill him with was my fire/storm.

Anyway what it showed me at least is that it really depends what your up against and in the future you should probably be planning on fighting more and more tough villains. I completely underestimated MMs, next Ill be losing to a Dom .

Gorgog

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TBH, I expect MM's and Stalkers to be the most under represented AT's in a pure PvP VG.


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If your wanting a good PvP raid team MMs are really very good IMHO.

If nothing else as long as you have good computers you can lag your foes into submission .

Honestly though some MMs are deadly esp. in cramped areas.

Gorgog

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You should play...Like a RL Stalker. I normally stay up high on buildings, following my target.

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Well I hope you dont get caught mate, police dont look kindly on that sort of behaviour .

Gorgog

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How on earth does boosting your health (Yeah its not what it does in RP sense but thats what it does power wise) make you immune to caltrop damage?

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Not that powers have to have RP value but it has fantastic RP value. Hide is knocked off by damage so you can take it that damage makes the stalker lose concentration for 10seconds and becomes visable. Dull Pain however dulls the pain so he doesnt. After a number of hits though even with Dull Pain the stalker loses hide so it looks like this is exactly how the devs were thinking.

Gorgog

Not so much a "trick" as an intended part of regen as all the other sets get ways to help hide, (SR gets defence from AoE, nin gets smoke bomb, regen gets dull pain )

Gorgog

I know this is of little interest to any non regen stalkers but Dull Pain will allow you to remain hidden even when you take damage.

Gorgog

Thanks Jummy, translator works really well, looks like the French are talking alot about the Monday matches.

Gorgog

Only just talking bout acrobatics. Ive got it on all my chars and if you use SJ you may as well have it. Protects from 1 non boosted hold, (though not controller crit), and good vs knockdown/knockback.

Think health reduces sleep time rather then resists it. Maybe ppl should use sleep more in pvp but so far ive never once been slept, doubt its down to health though so you may just want to get swift and hurdle.

Hope that helps, and as always could well be wrong .

Edit: Tired atm and only other one I can think of off the top of my head is assault vs placate and confuse is it? I get cunfused easily in game and out and since placate tends to follow AS which toggle drops it probably isnt worth having assault for those protections.

Edit2: Just checked its taunt and placate assault helps protect from. For corrupter vs taunt may be worth getting if it works.

Gorgog

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Union
Trolls:Ill/Rad,MC/Rad,Fire/Storm
Blap:Ice/Nrg
Offender:Rad/Psi
Tank:Ice/Stone

Vilians
Stalker:Spines/Regen
Corrupter:Ice/Rad
Brute:Stone/EM

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Being able to read the French posts wont change a thing to your preformance in PvP any more than looking at the American forums or even these ones.

Unless the French have a secret source of information letting them know more than the rest of us, I'm putting their wins down to their teamwork. Learning teamwork is something I don't think you can get from reading posts.

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Who said I wanted to change my performance in PvP?

Gorgog