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  1. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood View Post
    opposing Cole is not the actions of a "good" person it's the actions of a "chaotic" person.
    Someone needs to tell Vanguard and the heroes of Primal Earth that
  2. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Steampunkette View Post
    A Lawful Good heroic character can follow the Responsible Loyalist path, even though his actions don't bring down the leader of the organization immediately, he's still fighting against criminals and murderers. Bound by Law and Rules and Oaths to keep an evil society functioning.
    Fixed for Praetorian reality

    A loyalist is the same as a member of Arachnos.
  3. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Blacjac84 View Post
    Both times I rescued Ghost Widow and she does nothing except follow me around. She even gets a bit pissy if I 'leave her behind'
    That just means that she likes you.
  4. She's the face of CoV, not CoH

    The face of CoH is either Ms. Liberty or Statesman
  5. Quote:
    Originally Posted by DumpleBerry View Post
    Do I really need Eddie looking at me in my office?
    I think he'd look better in the shower.
  6. Quote:
    Originally Posted by SwellGuy View Post
    No doubt. I just did a mission last night where Longbow was going to murder a criminal so I had to save him. (Hero Morality mission with Doc Quantum)
    Exactly - Longbow are heroic, until they become vigilantes - then Heroes have to stop them and get them to behave properly again
  7. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Aura_Familia View Post
    Directly to the part I bolded: With what I've seen Longbow do, I'd have to disagree. Strongly.
    I also mentioned how Longbow can become vigilantes for some missions - which makes them the enemies of heroes during those missions
  8. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Eiko-chan View Post
    (just like being Chaotic Evil doesn't mean you can't have friends.)
    Although I don't think Recluse has any friends
  9. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Lothic View Post
    In any event I think it's pretty clear both Emperor Cole and Lord Recluse were meant to be cast as the opposite ends of what "Evil" would do if they respectively ran an empire so I'm not too against keeping it super simple and agreeing with you to some degree. *shrugs*
    Another difference between Tyrant and Recluse is their threat level to Paragon City - John "Protean" Hegner, one of the lead writers on GR says Tyrant is "Praetoria Earth's greatest villain" - but could Recluse really be called "Primal Earth's greatest villain" when people like Nemesis and Reichsman are also running around there?
  10. Quote:
    Originally Posted by EU_Damz View Post
    But your not really the bad guy i feel in that arc.
    You need to look at the bigger picture though - the framework of GR is loyalist = bad, Resistance = good - which is reflected in the new I19 TFs, for example - the meta-story is the Praetorian dictatorship vs Primal Earth, but the micro-stories within it can have shades of gray - so while Tyrant is the meta-story supervillain, a micro-story where you do something morally wrong in the fight against him - like in a lot of the Crusader arcs - is still the wrong thing to do - you're using evil to fight evil, so you're not a hero.

    The major reference point for morality in the game is Paragon City - the "City of Heroes" - it's always the good side, and anyone or anything that attacks or threatens it are always the bad side.

    So while Crusaders can try and blow up a hospital in an attempt to bring down the evil dictatorship in Praetoria, and Arachnos can fight within itself and against other villain factions, any fight in Paragon City is good vs bad.
    The new Tip missions with Longbow are a good example - Longbow is a heroic organization, but when any of their members cross the line and become vigilantes, it's up to Heroes to step in and stop them - for those missions, Longbow becomes "bad", because they're doing the wrong thing, and so they become the enemies of Heroes in those missions.
  11. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA View Post
    Telling someone to shut up but it's ok because you stuck a smilie on it, yeah I know it could be a joke.
    The joke is in the context
  12. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow View Post
    Because, in a nutshell, this is exactly what the Power arc is - me gaming the system, me screwing over my enemies, me working for myself, gaining power and fame and gaining my own team of supers. How cool is that? More importantly, how much more self-serving this really get?
    Well, at the NYCC panel, Ghost Falcon did say that they had made it cool to be the bad guy in GR - so he seems to have been right
  13. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Lothic View Post
    See you have to remember that Praetoria is actually organized in reverse (or is the "mirror universe") of the way Paragon City/Rogue Isles are. In Praetoria Emperor Cole is the functional analog of Lord Recluse, not Statesman. Emperor Cole is what Lord Recluse would be if he actually conquered the world and had the time to organize everything into a clean, orderly totalitarian state. For this you can think of what Palpatine/Sidious did to become the Emperor in Star Wars. Praetoria is what would happen if the villains of a world "won" the moral fight, became the controlling faction of the government and forced the heroes to become the rag-tag underground.

    In effect the Loyalists are Praetoria's "redside" and the Resistance is Praetoria's "blueside".
    Once you realize this the main GR arcs make a lot more sense.
    That's sort of correct - the devs have said that the working for the dictatorship is the bad guy option in GR, but they've also said Praetoria isn't a mirror universe - it's an alternative universe, which is why some people are still good in both universe, and some people ae still bad in both universes.
    For example, Penelope Yin is a good person on Primal Earth and in Praetoria, and The Center/Mr. G is a bad person in both universes.
    War Witch has also used the term "good villains" and "bad heroes" for the "shades of gray" they tried to add to Praetoria - so a loyalist who thinks they're doing good would be a "good vilalin", while a Crusader who harms innocent people would be a "bad hero".

    Also, while Praetoria is set up to be a kind of mirror to the Rogue Isles, with the insane ruler in his tower, Arachnos Seers/Seer network, Arachnoids/Failed Experiments and Ghouls, Rogue Isles Police/PPD, Dr. Aeon/Neuron, Destined Ones/Powers Division, Patrons/Praetors and so on, the big difference is that Recluse always seems to have been a bit of a jerk, while Tyrant does seem to have been a good-ish person once
    So Recluse's personal journey has been from jerk-ish to super-jerk, while Tyrant's has been from good-ish guy to super-jerk, which why their domains look different, even though they function in the same way - Recluse doesn't try and hide his villainy, and actually goes out of his way to boast about it, while Tyrant still tries to convince people - and maybe himself - that he's still a good person.

    Of the two, Recluse is actually the more honest one - he doesn't need to drug his subjects, or have a "Behavioral Adjustment Facility", or hide his crimes behind a shiny and clean facade - he's totally open about being a villain - he holds supreme power in the Rogue Isles, and uses it brutally and openly.
    But Tyrant still thinks of himself as a good person - or is trying to convince himself that he still is - so he has to use the supreme power he has over Praetoria in a way that convinces people - and maybe himself - that it's being used for "good" - so his crimes have to be hidden from the people - and possibly from himself.
    Both of them treat humanity with contempt - Tyrant because he thinks humans are weak willed and make too many bad choices, so they have to have their free will taken away - and Recluse because of his "survival of the fittest" insanity, which means anyone weaker than him or his henchpeople are there to be exploited and crushed.
  14. With Neruon, Bobcat and Battle Maiden being the AVs on the new TFs in I19, I'm assuming they're going to be boosted in some way, as they're not even the toughest AVs for non-Incarnates.
  15. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Lazarus View Post
    Yuck, it's gonna be in pseudo-3D as well.
    I thought it was being shot in 3D?
  16. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Yunalesca View Post
    So good for you.
    I know
  17. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim View Post
    And to reiterate, still don't see a need for two movies, either.
    It's not just going to be the Hobbit they're filming.
  18. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mr ? View Post
    But, You can bet someone somewhere is working on this.
    Probably Nemesis
  19. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Furio View Post
    things that are filmed and intended to be in 3d from the start people generally have no problem with.
    Like the Hobbit?
  20. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Angelxman81 View Post
    I think is sad that this forums looks like a sect sometimes.
    Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Warwitch Nor'Cal wgah'nagl fhtagn?
  21. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Yunalesca View Post
    I am very glad to find people who love CoX and does not fear to talk the positive things of the competition
    Probably because those are kinda hard to find
  22. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mr. DJ View Post
    world peace will not come by hugging people
    But it would help
  23. And why would Heroes trust Recluse?
    Being invited to another planet by him would look a lot like some sort of trap