Golden Girl
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Quote:His very existence, along with his evil dictatoirship, is an abuse of power.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Cite a gawd-damned source. Not something a Resistance member says, not a deduction made from the premise "If Cole were evil...", no, go find me an irrefutable instance wherein Cole, on his onesies, demonstrates a flagrant abuse of his government's power. Then, he's a tyrant. Until then, he's a dick, he's incompetent, he shouldn't be in control, true. But without abuse, there isn't tyranny.
Plus, of course, there's also the dev quote saying "Emperor Cole is an actual tyrant"
People who have bene denied their right to freedom are often more enthusiastic about protecting it than people who've grown up with it and become a bit complacent about it.Quote:Everyone grows up with bias and influence from the society they grew up in. Would you be chomping for radical and universal freedom as hard as you are if you grew up in Soviet Russia twenty-five years ago? (Hint: there are two answers to that question. The one that isn't ridiculous is 'no'.)
It's from "1984" - and as one of the devs recently referred to Praetoria as an "Orwellian dystopia", and that another dev mentioned the same book as a soruce of inspriation for Praetoria, I thought it was quite fittingQuote:In a moment of meta... something, I've quoted your quote. Unfortunately, I don't really have any context for it, or even a work it came from, so that's about as snarky as I can get. Sorry.
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Complete costume sets might limit how many types of animals are represented in the pack, if they're sticking to roughly the same amount of parts as they put into previous packs.
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EDIT: Double post
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Quote:You mean Praetorian Stefan Richter who Tyrant murdered?Originally Posted by Signpost
Just to pipe in that Tyrant's bio is intentionally "flawed", or perhaps, just written by the victors, so one cannot just use that as fact. I do have my own theories regarding Praetoria Cole (involving the well), and I do believe that the whole account is true... save for some missing details which would paint Cole negatively. (the most obvious missing detail being the other person who discovered the well with him)
There's also the fact that after 25 years of dictatorship, an entire generation exists who haven't been given a say on how they're governed - they're enslaved by a dictatorship that their parents and grandparents voted for.Quote:Originally Posted by Ms. Mesmer
From the Tyrant bio:
That's not a legal, democratic election. I only have our UN Security Council to go by, but they don't have the power to elect a Consul of the Earth on this Earth, no matter the circumstances, and they certainly don't speak with the full authority of the governments that they represent, nor the authority of the people of those nations, in nations where the leaders are democratically-elected. Most of them aren't even elected from their nations, but rather appointed to the position.
Now, the people later did put pressure on their governments to follow him, but it says nothing about elections. Mobs can be very persuasive, but they may or may not represent the views of the majority. -
Quote:Well, when the state is murdering, torturing, brianwashing and drugging the people, it does make it harder for people to voice dissent - which is kinda the whole point why Tyrant and his stormtroopers do it.Originally Posted by FunstuffofDoom
Fallacious. Dissent does not equal a majority dissent.
Which he does - his dictatorship is carrying out crimes against humanity 24/7, year after year - his entire rule is based on them - he's well aware of what his thugs are doing.Quote:No, it makes him a ******. He's not an abusive ruler until he actually uses his political power to enforce these things.
Again, while there's plenty of evidence that people in his government do these things, there's less that he, himself, participates, or condones.
He intend to wipemout every single powered person on primal Earth, and murder any non-power person who has potentially "dangerous" thoughts.Quote:Careful how you throw around the g-word there, missy. Even if we suppose that the war is purely Tyrant's doing, I see no evidence whatsoever that he's deliberately targeting a specific racial, ethnic, whatever, group for elimination.
So first you say he mightn't know about the crimes against humanity his minions are carrying out every day at all levels of society, and then you say is isn't dumb?Quote:As to the war claim, I suggest cautious skepticism. It's not a mystery why there's that saying, "The only thing worse than a war won is a war lost." War is costly, inefficient, and destructive. Emperor Cole strikes me as potentially many things, but stupid is certainly not one of them.
A quote for you:Quote:So, if this war is his doing, and I agree, it would seem to be, I submit that there must be a very, very good reason for it, because were Praetorian society subject to that level of whimsical tomfoolery, it simply would not function to the degree it currently does.
"They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power."
Tyrant is an immortal god-emperor who can survive a direct hit from a nuke and defeat the Hamidon in single combat - his word is law, and anyone who opposes him "disappears" - he doesn't need to co-operate with anyone - he'll always have plenty of willing slaves to replace anyone who tries to stop his will being carried out.Quote:Furthermore, the effort required to sustain a war is tremendous. Cole could not disguise this, which means he has the agreement of his government counterparts, which means he's still operating within his rights and abilities as a leader, which means he's still not a tyrant.
That is the general idea, yesQuote:Your actions and continued condemnations of Emperor Cole are detrimental to his ability to function as a chief of state.
It's only salder if it's untrue, and laws created by a dictatorship are invalidQuote:You have certainly contributed to at least one person joining the Resistance, which means you've committed slander on this world and terrorism/treason on his (You can pick which one you prefer more.)
Actaully, the only one perpetuating the civil war is Tyrant - if he and his evil system were gone, there wouldnt be any horrible injuistices to resist against - Tyrant and his dictatorship created the Resistance through their crimes - proper societies, like on Primal Earth, don't have armed resistance movements because they have the freedom to express themselves and change how their governed.Quote:Worse, by bolstering the Resistance, you perpetuate the Praetorian conflict, which in turn leads to further militarization and expansion- the very things you decry in Cole.
The only doom that freedom brings is to evil dictatorships, their rulers, and their stormtrooper thugsQuote:If Tyrant is evil because his actions affect many worlds, you, madam, are worse, because your actions affect just as many worlds as his in the exact same way, but at least he doesn't have the gall to put a smiley face at the end of the sentence that dooms untold millions.
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Quote:He's no longer elected, otherwise there wouldn't need to be any resistance movement to his dictatorship - they'd just vote him out.Originally Posted by FunstuffofDoom
He's a legally and democratically elected official. The first definition doesn't apply. If we jump back to the possibility that people in his government are corrupt, but he, personally, is not, then he's not an abusive ruler, either, just an authoritarian one. Which means that second definition doesn't fit.
The things he says to ex-loyalists when they escaspe to Primal Earth shows him to be an extremly abusive ruler - he says that humans have no right to free will, even though free will is the basic right that every other human right comes from.
Murdering, torturing, brainwashing and drugging his people also marks him out as an evil person.
Launching a genocidal war against Primal Earth, with plans to murder millions of people also shows him to be quite abusive towards other worlds, not just his own.
Tyrant is one of the most evil people in the game, because his crimes affect entire worlds - Reclsue doens't even get close to him in terms of suffering caused. -
Quote:Maybe that's just his version of Rusty?Originally Posted by Hazygreys
Lloyd once responded to my email calling me Greg. My name is not Greg.
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And the "peasants" are being taught the same thing in Praetoria
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Both those definitions apply to him
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Quote:It's more of a description rather than a codenameOriginally Posted by MunkiLord
Also, please show the proper respect and call him Emperor Cole. Not Tyrant. Silly codenames are beneath Primal Earth's future ruler.
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That would mean making a model of Hitler too, which isn't something I'm prepared to do
Tyrant will do as a stand-in
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Quote:It stands for Behavioral Adjustment Facility - it's where Tyrant has people who oppose him and his dictaorship imprisoned, brainwashed, tortured or executed.Originally Posted by Chymerus
What is BAF? I've been out of the loop for a while.
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Quote:Mr. Harken is the only hostage I can remember who cons grayOriginally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Woman, please.
RWZ arcs. Rescue diplomats from Nemesis.
General Aarons, the man who things he can pistol-whip Fake Nem bosses to death.
Your arguement is so invalid...
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Quote:I think that this would be a better idea than opening up existing contacts to the enemy side - although a few of the current blue and red contacts could probably be repurposed as gray contacts too.Originally Posted by gec72
I'd still love to see rogue/vigiliante contacts.
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They couldn't have too many blue or red arcs open to them, as it's unlikely that a lot of the Hero or Villain contacts would trust people arriving from the enemy side.
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Quote:Go to 3:10 here:Originally Posted by Nos482
Killer Clowns!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT9O0HM2-QM
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Quote:I think it's also the content for I19.5, plus the next booster pack - possiblyOriginally Posted by JayboH
Er, this seems like a large patch compared to the notes.
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Quote:That's mostly borderline gross, but the excessive abs tip it over the edge into grossnessOriginally Posted by Healix
You mean like this?
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A good or a bad one? I'm not sure what Dimension Shift does
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I like him too - when I manage to make a model of him, he'll only be deployed a few times in any slashpics - the rest of the time, I'll use him for images that are serious, or humorous but non-sexual
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Quote:He was easily the squishiest hostage I'v ever had to rescue - his captors having AoE attacks didn't help eitherOriginally Posted by Avatea
Roy Cooling Mission 4: Lawrence Harken can no longer be killed by AoE damage.
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Quote:It's likely it won't, as too many players don't respect the AEOriginally Posted by capnkangaroo
I was wondering if anyone has heard of 2xp for AE this time around, I know last time there was none during the special 2X weekend.
I was hoping this time around AE might be granted the same respect as other missions and arc's
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Welcome to the game and the forums, Tavid46
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Quote:Well, there are a few like that hereOriginally Posted by ToolPackinMama
There is not much point to playing a MMO if you hate the other people there.
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Tin Pan Alley?