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Since the changes to regen, I have tried it once. I personally didn't like it that much. Maybe if I give it another shot.

As far as Regen playing like WP, to me, it's more like WP plays like old school regen.

And of course, I agree with adding some form of recharge resistance to regen.

Thinking of undertaking thi journey myself, and making a sort of blog out of it.

Arcanaville, why aren't you a Dev, or at least a consultant of some sort for this game by now?

THis is my planned build for Thrill Kill, my Dm/Inv brute. I grabbed soul mastery for gloom and a little extra AoE. He is softcapped to s/l/e/n. Also plan on picking up rebirth and Void judgement for more AoE fun. Maybe will help with ideas.

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.952
http://www.cohplanner.com/

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Level 50 Magic Brute
Primary Power Set: Dark Melee
Secondary Power Set: Invulnerability
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Shadow Punch -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(9)
Level 1: Resist Physical Damage -- Aegis-Psi/Status(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(11), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(46), Aegis-ResDam(48), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 2: Smite -- C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(7), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(7), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(11), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(13)
Level 4: Temp Invulnerability -- RctvArm-EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam(31), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(33), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(33)
Level 6: Dull Pain -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(13), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(15), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(15), Dct'dW-Rchg(17)
Level 8: Siphon Life -- KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(17), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(19), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(19), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(21), Heal-I(21)
Level 10: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 12: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 14: Tough -- RctvArm-EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam(29), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(31), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(31)
Level 16: Unyielding -- RctvArm-EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam(25), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(25), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(29)
Level 18: Dark Consumption -- Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Erad-Acc/Rchg(37), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39)
Level 20: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), HO:Cyto(37), HO:Cyto(37)
Level 22: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(23), RechRdx-I(43)
Level 24: Resist Elements -- GA-3defTpProc(A)
Level 26: Soul Drain -- Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Erad-Acc/Rchg(27), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(27), C'ngBlow-Dmg/Rchg(36), C'ngBlow-Acc/Rchg(50), C'ngBlow-Dmg/EndRdx(50)
Level 28: Invincibility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), HO:Cyto(36), HO:Cyto(36)
Level 30: Resist Energies -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A)
Level 32: Midnight Grasp -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(33), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(34), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 35: Tough Hide -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), SW-ResDam/Re TP(40)
Level 38: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), HO:Cyto(39), HO:Cyto(39)
Level 41: Gloom -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg(A), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(42), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(42), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(43), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43)
Level 44: Dark Obliteration -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(45), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(45), Posi-Dmg/Rng(45), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(46), SipInsght-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 47: Touch of Fear -- N'mare-EndRdx/Fear(A), N'mare-Acc/EndRdx(48), N'mare-Acc/Fear(48)
Level 49: Unstoppable -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 0: The Atlas Medallion
Level 0: Task Force Commander
Level 0: Portal Jockey
Level 0: Freedom Phalanx Reserve
Level 50: Agility Radial Paragon
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Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(9), Mrcl-Rcvry+(40)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod(23)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run

I agree with a lot of the people saying EM. What I disagree with is adding another new mechanic. Just repeal the nerf that was applied, add in some AoE goodness, I.E. buff whirling hands and add splash damage ala thunderstrike.

Increase the amount of Regeneration Buff that can be enhanced in Integration.

Slightly increase the non-enhanceable health regeneration buff of Regeneration/Integration.

Integration has 2 portions of regeneration, an enhancable, and an unenhancable portion.
Let's get rid of the unenhancable part.

Maybe this would allow it to actually live up to it's name without being OP.

Well, after looking at some of the changes that were made to regen, I came up with my own proposed changes.

I know alot of people think that IH should stay as a click. So how about repealing some of the other changes that heppened to it.

Increase the amount of Regeneration Buff that can be enhanced in Integration.

Slightly increase the non-enhanceable health regeneration buff of Regeneration/Integration.

Integration has 2 portions of regeneration, an enhancable, and an unenhancable portion.
Let's get rid of the unenhancable part.

Maybe this would allow it to actually live up to it's name without being OP.


Of course, I can always dream of the day where IH is either returned to a toggle (at a slightly reduced regen rate) or it's recharge is reduced slightly.

The reason I listed the changes was in case some of the newer folks weren't aware of all of the changes.

As far as being misled by the name of the set, I think that's kind of unfair for any newer players. Especially when you read the description of the powerset. I wouldn't mind a change to the name.

Preface:It was pointed out that there are acronyms in this post that are used for other power sets. To make this easier, here you go.

OP=Over Powered/Original Poster
DP=Dull Pain
IH=Instant Healing
WP=Will Power
Reg=Regeneration
FH=Fast Healing
Int=Integration
ED=Enhancement Diversification
HP=Hit Point
HP/s=Hit Point per second


Before this turns into a flame war, I want to point out that I want this to be a serious discussion.

In, I believe the brute section, someone pointed out that combined with the level shifts and Rebirth Destiny, that regen scrappers were almost back to the point were they used to be. But how well does regen do on its own?

I used to love playing on my Claws/Reg scrapper back in the day. The Devs decided that regen, the powerset, was overpowered. I personally do not believe that was the case. Now back then I didn't even know the forums existed. I know that on my toon, I was sometimes in awe of what other regens were doing. One day I asked one of them how she was surviving. They had tough, and weave, and combat jumping, and perma hasten buffing there def along with permanent DP. That was how I discovered the forums. Shortly after that the discuccions on "Adjustments" were happening. One forum poster even pointed out to the Devs that there data was inaccurate, something to do with the server they were testing on. I can't find that info though, still looking. So you see, it wasn't Regen that was OP, it was regen along with a slew of pool powers combined that made it OP.

I'll be honest, I do not know where to get the numbers from the powers before the nerfs.
However, according to Paragonwiki, here are a few of the changes.

Regeneration/Instant Healing Max Regeneration buff was slightly reduced. Additionally, it gains less of a boost from each added Enhancement.

Reduced the amount of Regeneration Buff that can be enhanced in Instant Healing and Integration (base values were not changed). A step in bringing Regeneration powerset more in-line with other equivalent powersets.

Changed Regeneration/Instant Healing from a Toggle Power to a Click power.

Slightly reduced the non-enhanceable health regeneration buff of Regeneration/Integration.

Reduced Defense bonus from Pool/Concealment/Stealth. Defense bonus is partially suppressed if you attack.

Reduced Defense bonus from Pool/Flight/Hover (and Kheldian Combat Flight).

Reduced Damage Resistance bonus from Pool/Fighting/Tough. Increased its
Endurance Cost.

Reduced Defense bonus from Pool/Fighting/Weave. Increased its Endurance Cost.

Reduced Defense bonus from Pool/Leadership/Maneuvers.

Reduced Defense bonus from Pool/Leaping/Combat Jumping.

Pool/Speed/Hasten no longer buffs Defense.

And then of course, there was ED.


Now, this is from Scrapper Secondary Information for Issue 7, by BUFFYASUMMERS. Other than the buff to MoG and Resilience, there haven't been any changes to regen, so this information is still completely valid.
FH (3 SO Heal), Int (3 SO Heal), Health (3 SO Heal) - Total 469.3%

469% regen.



This is from Scrapper Issues List - Welcome to Issue 18! from Stupid_Fanboy
Regeneration - unresolved

Balance: Post-Enhancement Diversity, is it still necessary that regen powers have both enhanceable and unenhanceable healing? - MAS0N, 2005-10-11

Balance: In comparison to the Regeneration % that Willpower can achieve, is it still necessary that regen powers have both enhanceable and unenhanceable healing? - SpiderTeo_OC, 2009-02-10

Wishlist: Revive: Revive is not a good power for resuming a fight immediately. Without some defensive power or inspirations, it is better used when the enemy has left the area. A Short large defensive or regen buff in addition to the HP and End recovery would be nice. from several requests - 2010-09-21

Wishlist: Regeneration is the only secondary set that does not have some sort of resistance to the debuff that affects its main strength, in this case Recharge or Regen. from several people – 2009-10-07

Now, two key points from all of this information stands out like a neon light to me.

1. Balance: In comparison to the Regeneration % that Willpower can achieve, is it still necessary that regen powers have both enhanceable and unenhanceable healing? - SpiderTeo_OC, 2009-02-10

2. FH (3 SO Heal), Int (3 SO Heal), Health (3 SO Heal) - Total 469.3%

469% regen.
Now, putting the same slotting recommended here into mids, no sets, just SO's, no procs, no Incarnates gives me 569% at lvl 50 that's 31.75 Hp/s

With WP, the same powers slotted I am getting 519% regen. At lvl 50 28.96% Hp/s. That's a difference of 3 Hp/s.

Now, lets say we bump the foes in range of Rttc up to 2.

617% Regen for a total of 34.4 Hp/s. Willpower has gone from being behind regen by 3 Hp/s to being ahead by approx 2.7 with only one additional foe. Now lets look at something a little more common in game, let's throw some more foes at the melee man.

I think 7 is reasonable.

860% Reg, 47.99 Hp/s

With 10 in range, that's 1006% Regen, or 56.15% Hp/s

But what about with DP?

At 50 with the previous slotting, and DP with 3 heals, regen goes to 50.47 Hp/s.

Well, lets boost WP max Hp by putting three slots into HPT.

72.71 Hp/s

With IH, Regen jumps up to 1369% regen for 76.38 Hp/s
With IH and DP running that brings us a total of 121.4 Hp/s

So to regenerate more health than WP you need all the passives, and IH up.

With hasten, IH is up every 245 seconds with a 90 second period of being active which brings its inactive time 155 seconds. Two and a half minutes.

Now with all of this being said, I really have to wonder, why would I want to roll a regen again? Yes, I understand that with IO's you can increase the max hp, regen and recharge of Regen but the same cand be said of WP.
I personally have a build on Mids that has IH down to just over 60 sec recharge. Of course it would cost more than all of my other toons combined along with using incarnate powers.

90% is the res hard cap for brutes. Fire armor generally reaches that just by slotting the armors. The term soft cap is generally used in reference to defense, 45% is the softcap there, and generally speaking s/l is where you're going to want to build. If you get 32.5% you can just use a purple inspiration to soft cap.

Kinetic Melee!

I would love to play this set, but have no interest whatsoever in being Naruto forming the rasengan!

Bored at work, found the thread I mentioned above.

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...=273029&page=6

Apparently no one liked what I was trying to point out.

With some of the other threads posted recently, it got me to thinking. What powerset would you buff? Any powerset you want, any AT, how would you fix it?

For me, there are two.

Energy melee. First thing I'd do is get rid of stun. Make the power you replace it with a melee/ranged power, ala focus. Increse the radius of whirling hands and increase its damage slightly. Have Bonesmasher (I think, the jump in air attack) deal splash damage, ala thunderstrike.

Up next is my former favorite powerset, regen.
I'd make IH a toggle again, and put some regen debuff res, and -rech res in the set somewhere. Though I admit to not knowing if they buffed anything except the passive res in the proliferation.