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They could have given us a lot more notice than that. They decided to shut down Paragon Studios yet still let the devs and us believe everything was fine and continue developing I24.

I've been here the whole time. My name never went white.

Just double checked what I remember clicking and clicking GW2 takes me to a page advertising GW2 and has the NCSoft logo big as day in the upper left corner and a buy GW2 button in the lower right. Clicking that takes me to the GW2 site where the digital downloads can be purchased. At the bottom of that page I see where the ArenaNet is located but I never scrolled down that far when I made my order.

If I've never been to it then I never heard of it. If I never heard of it how could I possibly care?

On the other hand I have frequently flat out refused to have anything to do with places my friends have complained about, and gone to places that have been recommended by friends even if they didn't have anything I personally liked because while I may not need anything from there, I could by those friends a gift from there.

And being a big tabletop gamer I've even driven 60-100 miles to support game stores I heard about to see what they carried and find out if they'd ship things to me if I ordered from them. Especially after I caught a friend (who owned his own game store) opening his customers special orders (Games Workshop Warhammer miniatures) to get figurines he wanted and replacing the pack with one off his shelf. After that his special orders kind of dried up, as everyone that ordered from him pretty much knew each other.

I didn't even know ArenaNet was on the box as I made my purchase online thru NCSofts store.

No more often than not they don't even know those companies are interconnected. Fortunately NCSoft isn't that big or diversified so it's less likely that type of confusion will happen.



They don't have to give a rat's behind about CoH itself to see how abrubtly and poorly NCSoft implemented the closure, and how shabbily they treated it's loyal customers.

Haven't given NCSoft a dime either since CoH got cut. Like you all my gems have come from converting in-game gold. I love that feature. It lets me be a constant drain on NCSofts profits. Every gold to gem conversion is money they didn't get from me, and every purchase I make with those gems hurts them. Sure it's the equivalent of a paper cut, but those are the ones that are the most annoying.

Maybe he thinks Marvel is going to sue itself for letting it's customers use Marvel characters in a Marvel MMO owned by Marvel.

Ditto. This is so true for me. Every game I try I always find myself comparing it to CoH. Even ones I'm having fun playing like "The Secret World" there's still that "But it's not CoH." that puts a damper on things.

The remaining Paragon staff who have been moderating the forums have been extremely forgiving and understanding, one has to act like a colossal pancake to get moderated or banned.

Oh I admit I'm far from an average GW2 player. I don't act like a 6 year old on a sugar rush buying all the uber leet gear as fast as possible or trying to be the first with whatever new shiny is added to the Black Lion store. So it doesn't seem like it takes me long to make 10 gold.

Just an FYI for those that weren't aware of it, and confirm Gangrel's post, as soon as the devs announced the closure they were asked if we could talk about other games freely and they said go for it, cuz it didn't matter anymore.

So anyone with sand in their panties about us talking bout other games can go ahead and petition us. We fart in their general directions.

Neener Neener Neener!







Edit: Corrected post for clarity of meaning

Same here and I've played at tables since 1985 from California to Israel. (I was in the Navy and we were running a few sessions when we were in port in Haifa.)

Yeah some logic. They made it impossible for players to violate other peoples copyright/trademarks by restricting players to specific Marvel owned intellectual property and thus eliminating all potential lawsuits from DC Comics, NCSoft, Cryptic, etc, etc, etc.

Cuz ya know nobody would want to see Marvel get in trouble for allowing players to do the same thing they sued us for.

Probably dropped cuz of the holiday. But I don't follow it regularly.

Uhm the answer to your question is yes.

My Charr is a giant Pirate Catboy with a steampunky cybernetic eye and horns, wielding a "Charrzooka". He could easily fit in with CoH only he wouldn't look as cool cz we can't do decent catboyz.

You forgot to mention how no one is forced to spend any real money to get things from their "real money store". Players can easily trade some of their in game currency in for store credit called "Gems" and get anything they want without ever spending a dime. 10 gold will get several thousands in Gems.

I picked up the ghost kitty from the store. I can't explain why but the damn thing amuses the hell out of me.

To be honest we can find "those" people doing that on both sides. Doesn't make it right, just neither "side" is innocent. It's almost like watching two political parties campaigning for the same office.

Uhm you spelled it wrong

TSWCSICONTSHIRT

I tried copy pasting yours and kept getting an error message.

If I get burned by a company, I am not spending another dime on their products, and if I can't get a refund on what I already spent, I'm damn sure gonna get my moneys worth cuz I'm not presenting them with a gift for screwing me over. I don't give a rat's rear end what race, religion, gender, sexual orientation they are. I don't care about where they live, who they vote for, or how they dress. I don't care about any pathetic excuse you can think of to justify dismissing my decision on how I should spend my money.



A company that provides it's customers with superior service in both product and support gets customer loyalty in return. A company that doesn't provide superior service and treats it's customers like excrement is going to lose customers and acquire an untrustworthy reputation which will make it harder for them to get new customers.


That's how businesses work when they don't have a monopoly. They can't afford to ignore their customers as if they didn't have anywhere else to go.


NCSoft isn't providing superior services to it's existing customers, by it's own financial reports it's been losing money on all of it's major products. Now it is paying the price for it's lousy business decisions.


Caveat emptor, let the buyer beware.



And yes I bought a copy of GW2 before CoH was cancelled.

The sad thing about that kids scenario is ...

If he had just used a different attitude the responses would have been completely different. For example if he had said

"I screwed up and filed a charge back when they announced the game was shutting down and now they've cancelled my account. What can I do to get this fixed ..."

would have gotten a totally different response than his righteous indignation over getting punished for committing credit card fraud.

With the attitude he actually had the only thing surprising was how polite and civil we were to him in spite of E_L's pathetic attempts to engage in a flamewar. That girl really needs to stay on the meds the doctors gave her.

As someone that bought GW2 a month before the CoH shutdown announcement, it's not about feeling happy about playing another NCSoft game. It's about getting the value out of the money I spent cuz I can't get it back.

The way GW2's business model is set up allows me to play the game indefinitely which allows me to get my moneys worth, and I have the ability to convert my ingame currency into credit in their microtransaction store, which allows me to buy anything I want while thumbing my nose at NCSoft by not spending another frakking dime.

I and others like me get to be an anchor around their necks dragging down their profits for what they did to CoH. A constant reminder of what happens when they screw over their customers.

Alone I may not have much impact but united the GW2 community can send them a message in the only place NCSoft pays attention to. Their wallets.

Well someone posted that they reported the kids thread because he was using an alternate account to get around his primary account being banned so it's likely that not only did his thread get deleted but the account he used to make it was also banned.

And now he doesn't even have an alt account to play on.