FireWyvern

Maybe it's cause i play a lot more on redside, but my observation are the opposite. I've seen very few corruptors with only there tier1 secondary power and just attacks. On the other hand, i've seen a lot of "pure support" defender that only get the tier1 of there secondary.

In average, corruptors seems to be the most balanced ones.


[To the topic]
I doubt any AT will have problems. Some people prefer to independant nature of redside AT, while others prefer to build a one-trick poney with blueside AT. (not saying they can't be independant... just that some people like to build that way) And there will always be the challenge of trying something new to old vets that already have lots of 50 of the "best ATs".

If you're talking only of damage, as in burst, then blazing bolt (fire's snipe) wins.
If you're talking highest DPS, there's a bunch of better power then KO Blow, namely Clobber and Seismic Smash, wich both recharge faster then KO Blow.

Like i said, i want to fight EBs/AVs, in one-on-one duel. Most of them will only use melee attacks (and aoe), or maybe use something like Indigo's little dart....that does ridiculously no damage. Not every AVs have aoe, and for those who do, it's often one of there less dangerous attack.

Another thing to take into account, some melee attacks are purely exotic.
Siphon Life for exemple. And out of all the attack an enemy have, that's the one i don't want to connect. Because in one shot, he heals almost everything i've done....or more.
Some firey melee attacks are purely fire. And one of them is the best DPS attack. While the enemy won't always try to use it, it's still an very good attack that recharge fast.

So again, it's all about what i do with the character. I NEVER said that M was better to aim then s/l, on a purely mathematical point. However, considering the costs, slots, MY playstyle, it's the choice i've made for MY character.


Except that i won't be getting any more defence from only 2 slots in a melee attack. And no, i'm not 4-slotting my attacks. I need good acc/dam/rech/end and possibly a proc.

Wich is probably part of the misunderstanding. You play a inuvln/SS tanker. Maybe you can be with less slots in your attacks, but not my brute. Damage is the priority after all.

Also...the problem is asuming i can get 2 bils easily. I hate farming, don't really enjoy BMing and by the time i have a huge amound of inf, i'm more likely to have already reached 50 and started a new alt.



Also... for both of you, even without invincibility, i manage to run myself out of endurance because of rage-hasten as well as spamming kO Blow( best DPS) and aoes since i still have holes in my attack chain, and they are pretty quick. So, maybe if you manage to give me a build that's completly substainnable end-wise, with invisibility, while keeping spamming KO,rage and hasten (and the occasionnaly unstoppable crash), i'd try it. =P

Because people keep quoting me. That's twice already i though this topic was over, then noticing a few days later that someone wanted to quote me again.

I've already explained more then enouh why i want M. If people could stop telling me i'm wrong about what i said ( M vs s/l/f/c/e/n) then trying to explain to me for the 5th time that M goes with s/l, R goes with e/n and Aoe goes with f/c.... If i didn't knew that already, your explication would have been more then enough, i didn't need 3-4 other peoples repeating the same exact thing you said. =p

I'm not. You value more slots, i value more the cost. If i say it's easier, that means with MY standards, not yours.


If you aren't comparing the same thing as me, then don't come saying what i said is untrue. I stated M vs s/l/f/c/e/n , i made absolutly not comments on M vs s/l alone, and never mentioned R and AOE

As for being superior to be, you still have to prove that in game, doing the kind of things i do. Because from the beginning, i mentionned for my playstyle. You're free on virtue with an SS/invuln or DM/invuln? =P

If it's not for GMs, AVs and purples bosses....why do you want the single best damage? Any blaster/scrapper is more then enough to finish a mob in a few secondes....

If you want to take a team into consideration.... then you'd have to find a way to make it fair. Obviously, a team of 7 scrappers will much prefer to have a kin, rad, dark, etc with them then a blaster. While a team of offenseless defender/controller/tanker would prefer a blaster.

Since a blaster and a defender are so different, you can't put them in the "same" team of 7, and expect it to be fair.

I know that, but that's exactly what Da_Captain quoted about my post, saying it was untrue. =P

It's a subjective anaswer, you can't say it's untrue. For you it might be easier to slot 4 IOs that costed around 250 mil. For me, it's way easier and quicker to slots 6 IOs that costed around 60 mil.
Some people might think 6 slots is a waste, but that's what i always do for my attacks, even if i only use SOs.

And you keep comparing M to s/l, then M to f/c then M to e/n.

My statement was that M is easier to get then s/l/f/c/e/n, wich i'd very like to be proven wrong about. =P

exemple: To get a bonus on M, you need 6 slots in an attack or resist power.
To get a bonus to s/l, you need 4 slots, and f/c 3 slots. So that's already 7 slots (5 paid, exactly like for M), and e/n isn't boosted yet.

You're looking at it wrong. Instead of trying to check what it does in teams, where there's so many variables, check solo.

1) A bunch of Blaster comnbos can solo AVs. A very select few can solo GMs.

2) A bunch of defender combos can solo AVs. A bunch of them can solo GMs.

Against very hard targets, debuffs like -regen and -res are basically more DPS.
If the blaster do 200 while the AV resist half of it then regen 50, he just have 50 net damage.
If the defender only do 100, but manage to nullify the AV's resistance and halve his regen, he'll have 75 net damage.


So against harder targets, defender will do more damage then a blaster. Sure the blasters will do more against smaller targets because you won't have the time to stack debuffs on them....but they already die so quickly it's not really important.

I aggree that it's not that bad. But when you start, it's hard to know wich enemies do worst debuffs then the def they provide. It's not a huge problem, but it does exist.

Aww...i was hoping you hadn't tried it. =P Now i only need to find a team that don't mind sitting it out.

Another point for skipping invincibility was the endurance cost. With SS, hasten and spamming KO as much as i can, i just couldn't keep up. So while i could try changing to add it, i'd need to change almost all my slotting. =( Same reason i don't get a dual build. I'm not rich (i'm not even finished on her) so i'd have to use only normal or really cheap IOs on the second build. And no matter how i build it, it won't be near as powerfull as the fully IOed one.


I do know it's not THE optimal way to build it. I've seen what you did with your DM/invuln. =P
But i also know i'm far for that budget and i prefer 1 vs 1 fight. So while i'll probably never be able to solo more then 2 AVs (still at one for now), i'd probably have a lot of trouble trying to even solo one if i changed my build entirely.

P.S. Thanks for respecting my choice. It's nice to see someome who accept that not everyone will build the same way, whatever the reason might be. =)

edit: Oh, and thanks for the build. I'll check it later when i'm not playing. =)

Since you love Fiery Melee. Scorch and Incinerate are pure fire damage. Oh, and incinerate is the best damage per activation time power of fiery melee. =)

Yeah, but i already made my point that M is easier to boost then s/l/nrg/neg/cold/fire. Invincibility only gives ~7-8% with one enemy. For my build, if you factor in IOs and all the other powers, Melee is higher then the small fire def i'd have other-wise. (specialy if i fallow your s/l approche)

Killing enemies lower your survivability. And in most case, it's the stronest enemies that will be left when you have the less survivability. I know you can adapt your playstyle to mitigate that, but is it that hard to guess?

I know that a lot of Nrg and Fire power have s/l components, but not all have it.

I'm worse? Then i guess we should do a little PvP or each try soloing the same AV. =)
( and since i'm not a different playstyle, that means you already knew that was what i was talking about, not farms)


edit: I checked the price and for lvl 35 IOs, the worst ToD is the proc, at 10mil. The two worst KC were 40mil and 60 mil. =P

KC... yeah, the set that cost about 100 mil per IO redside last i checked? As opposed to the 20 mil for most ToD or the .... 100k at most for Titanium Coating?

And like i said, i don't want only s/l. That's the part i'm already very good with. The def is for those nrg/fire EBs.

Glad to see you won't team with me, if you're not able to adapt to a slightly different playstyle. =)

Well....first show me another brute that actually do the Phalanx part absolutly solo, with invincibility without unstoppable. =P Invincibility doesn't help much when all the robots are outside your aura for the last wave. ( edit: I'm sure it's possible though, but i'd still want to see it first. )
But, sure i'd love to try it. Find me an ITF that doesn't mind waiting on the side while i try the little challenge. =)

As for the def, i only need to concentrate on M, not M/R/A. Since with my playstyle, the def is almost only needed for tough boss or EBs. Getting +2,5 on all type is harder then +2,5 melee. And mostly, i like the sets that gives +melee, while the sets that gives typed are often not so stellar. And i save around 0,20 endurance per secondes. =)

Tough isn't the end-all power either, since it doesn't help at all against nr/neg/ice/fire/psy/toxic damage. ( i know i know, nrg is already capped =P)

Both powers are good in some situations and bad in others, so what i don't understand is why it's "bad" to use one and "good" to use the other, in most people's perception.

Oh, i guess i should write in my CV that i skipped invincibility then, they'll want to know i'm an idiot. *rolleyes*

1) taunt, i don't care about it. I'm not a tank.
2) Primary source of mitigation.... but i already have enough with my primary set and my resist, and my +HP and my heals. Also, it's way harder to increase your typed def then positional
3) I don't have much problems hitting my enemies, specialy not on the one that's SS.

You know what's funny. PS is somehow a "bad" power to use and tough is a "good" one. If you have the same results, who care how you achieve them.

Of course, you'll mention the crash....but if someone know how to bypass it easily, it's just like someone who can bypass the end cost of tough. =P

That's exactly the right attitude. You can try to help them, but in the end, it's there choice. =)

What if i die after most of the team any way? =P My deaths are far from quick and rarely shameful.