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From http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Infernal

"A master of demon binding and summoning from another dimension..."

"During Defeat Infernal:
Before combat: As I suspected, the inscriptions match. She was here, all those lost ages ago. Mother..."

"During Defeat and Capture Lilitu:
Before combat: Lilitu! Mother! I'm coming for you!"

I'd say that's pretty conclusive.

Right, I'm not saying the timeline needs to be expanded, it's fine. What I meant is that I imagine people who want lore aren't going to want a timeline, they'll want a biography, so the link to said biography should be more prominent. Or you could, as you said, provide a small sentence or two of concise bio, then link to the full one.


Also, about your multiverse page (refer to the thread you made in the Wiki forums): the way the second section is now, it is formatted with headings and sub headings, which I feel is used if you have things to put in the sub headings. Since it's only a way to help organize the cosmology, just use the "Cosmology" header, then do the rest with font size, bold, and indents. Then in the third section, where you put the universes we know, you could add a fourth column that tells us which of the types in the second section it falls under.

There's a section on books written in the CoX world. It is called "Books": http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Books

As for what I meant about Statesman: on your page for Primal Marcus Cole, there's a section called"History". Right below its title is a link to the regular article on Statesman's Background section. That's what ought to be more prominent.

Reasoning: people who are looking for lore will surely be interested in what he did (the timeline) but are also going to want to know why he did it, or what sorts of things led to it, and general things that go deeper. The link is relatively easy to pass over, and it's really what I think people who are going to be looking at this project will be looking for. Since the idea here is to make lore streamlined and easy to find, making that link more prominent is a good idea.

Maybe a section called "background" that just says "See this page: <link>"? Or a little note that says "For a more detailed background, go here: <link>"?

I don't have as much time as I'd like, so I just checked out the two you linked. They look great so far!

One thing: make the link to Statesman's article more prominent. I like the layout and the timeline, but without making it clear that there is a written bio/background, it looks lacking.

Also, his birthday wasn't in 1986 (although, with time traveling whosawhatsits, you never know).

Although the OP's example was also not of the 5/7/5 mode... besides, according to Wikipedia, it's not always 5/7/5 syllables, but 5/7/5 Japanese sound units, which may or may not be the same as syllables.

Yeah, I would be okay if she didn't get a total make over. Nothing wrong with the current model, in my opinion. And the idea for whip attacks is great, here's hoping!

Psh, no. That's for another game. He was talking about SUPER lumberjacks.

Also, about that "custom jump:" I think it's just an effect they added for nifty visual things in the video, not an actual customization. I'll be happy if that's not the case, but for now, I'm just going to assume it is.

That might be a bad idea. From the Going Rogue FAQ: "The Complete Collection Item Pack is included as part of the City of Heroes Going Rogue: Complete Collection."

I take this to mean that the Gamestop Complete Collection also has the item pack, in addition to its special bonuses. If you bought both and the item pack, you wouldn't be able to use a code, or would have wasted $7.00.

First of a series, eh? Nice. Sexy Jay and lumberjacks, eh? Who knew?

In other news, I keep hearing about this "revamped" "new player experience." I know that 1-20 in Praetoria will be different, but how will it affect the CoH and CoV tutorials

That's a good question. Red black and yellow has the potential to look pretty sweet.

Everyone who gets the complete collection gets the free month, including gamestop pre orders...

I know, it was more of a tongue in cheek comment.

And I did indeed think the description of the mousepad was weird. "Desktop skin" made me think it was a wallpaper for my computer's desktop.

This would be nice to know.

Well, at some point they had to develop the enhancements...

And since a regular Razor Sphex mouse pad (why do they call it a "desktop skin"?) is $20, and you're getting special enhancements, you're getting even more for your money! Especially if you consider that the complete collection includes CoH and CoV, which you'd have to buy for their own prices alone.

The evil version was a clone, created by Protean, the first in a series of clones that he planned to unleash in an invasion on behalf of Praetoria.

Why the clones have to come through a portal rather than hopping out of cloning bay vats in the lab is a good question, though... Maybe he sent them to Praetoria first? And the evil double was there first as well, prompting your Praetorian double to find out who was giving him/her a bad name... which of course leads to the question: was your double resistance or loyalist? And which side is Protean working for?

Speaking of Protean, how do the hero and villain I17 arcs work together?

Almost at 5 years myself (unless you don't count time off due to RL and money, but who does?). Just in case: @The Holy Flame

Quite an impressive track record, there... of the things I want to hear more about, I think the way you earned Bug Hunter twice is what I'm most curious about: how'd you do it?

Or pants, period. What she has right now are just high boots with holes.

That's the impression that I got from the various arcs - you're too much for his project,he'll use someone else... the only problem is that the arcs generally end with him saying "ok, you're the big bad, go wreak havoc!" and then you go on to... keep playing the game, instead of becoming a world wide terror. Oh well.

Well, Leonard doesn't have a cloning lab. Protean posing as him working with the fifth column has a cloning lab.

I'd say Mane Corp and its story are pretty cut and dried. Couple of guys and a body guard start a tech company, it's overshadowed by Crey et al., they have a surplus of funds that Protean takes, enter the story arc.

Furthermore, Protean's working with the Praetorians, and the I17 arcs seem to have more to do with GR than anything else, and I think it's fairly evident that the Coming Storm is from our own dimension, not the Praetorian world.


Cimerora's letter, for me anyways, was indeed like Nightblade said: "hey, you're time traveling, here's a letter."


The invasion could be Shiva, but the wiki description seems to indicate that Shiva itself was destroyed, and the Bloody Bay meteors are remnants. Perhaps a stronger force of life sucking aliens was able to harness the other remnants, along with, eventually, Kheldians?

Whatever it is, it's my opinion that the division between Rikti and humans caused the invasion/Storm to be successful - and since Nemesis caused the Rikti wars, he feels responsible. And without a world to command, he was forced to prevent the invasion from being successful, in order to rule it through all time. Of course, I prefer to believe he's reformed, and actually feels bad that he helped cause the destruction of the world, but that's just me.


Dr. Aeon certainly seems to be reformed, as Professor Echo clearly wants to stop the world from being destroyed. But that seems to have more to do with Aeon's use of a demon as the heart of the PTS than anything else. Then again, he does mention Shivans with control implants, and cloning armies of them, so there is a connection there...


A note on Leonard: I also noticed his gloves changing color. Glad I wasn't going crazy. I'm sure it's significant, but how? If they were one color at first, then changed when you freed the real Leonard, that would make sense... but I think they start black, don't they?

I have a similar issue, posted about it here: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=221453

Logging out after I was done fixed the problem. As I mentioned in the thread there, the annoyance of typing a username and passwords is MUCH less than the annoyance of filtering what is actually read or unread.

Anyways, I'm just going to voice my support here for body mounted blasting devices, Black Blood of the Earth as an addition in some way.

Also, Praetorian ATs would be cool. Not sure how they'd fit conceptually, but there it is.

I would also have to say that I can make a PPD/LB character just fine with existing sets and costumes. Sure, it might be nice to have my character be an "official" member of the PPD, but I would argue that making an arc that awards a "PPD Member" badge (maybe make it a hero aligned arc, something that only people who don't go rogue can do) and adding other, more unique EATs would be better.

That's true. And your earlier point about each character being THE characters is also true... but years should still be updated in things like the newspaper missions. As the OP said, it's weird to find an obit for someone who died five years ago in today's paper.

I'm also not sure how to deal with the odd concept of doing, say, the RWZ arcs, which take place during/after the second Rikti invasion, and then doing a higher level Rikti arc, which happens to take place before the second invasion. The only good way to deal with that is suspend your disbelief and use Decorum's hand wave strategy (which I'm perfectly content with doing, since experiencing the story is more important to me than making sure it fits really well together, but others might have issues with it).

I was going to say this exact thing. Maybe in the past, we couldn't do change properly - I mean, they just went through and replaced "5th Column" with "Council" everywhere it was mentioned. Now, they could do something like this, with actual new content for a new group, and keep the old stuff in Ouroboros or a similar place.

At the very least, any mention of a year in a mission's text ought to be changed. It is clearly 2010 in the game right now; I mean, they've opened the Omega Team time capsule, which was only supposed to happen 7 (6?) years after they didn't return. What gigas said about the weird game timeline vs. level timeline is absolutely correct; a level 20 villain would be in about 2008 by level up time logic - but would be able to fight a Vigilante Ajax, who is only present in 2010.

Of course, we can't go changing too much stuff around, as new players do need to experience the game story line, and not be thrown into a world where various plot points are taken for granted. The stuff that's took place before the game is fairly well-referenced, enough so that we can figure out what happened. Removing old content in favor of new stuff would force the new stuff to reference the old game content in the same way. And since so many higher level contacts build on what you've done at the low levels, that might be too hard to pull off.

What I've heard about GR leads me to believe that the 1-20 content will be changed in CoH/V a little bit as well, so maybe that will involve some story reworking. Who knows? (Just the vibe I get from various info on it, no proof whatsoever).

Anyways, I'm all for a few minor "revamps" a lá the Rikti to villain groups- new costumes, maybe a few new types/powers, and certainly some more stories involving them.