Evil_Legacy

Might find some people to join you. My last 4 most recent heroes did that. Of course I had to solo as no one seemed interested at all (probably because the sewer trial was quicker way to level and also low level SO drops there). It did seemed that they cut down on the amount of troll/outcast/igneous bosses that was roaming around in that zone. A while ago I could remember running across the gulch area and being pelted by an igneous boss every 30ft or so. Now, maybe come across an igneous lt or something and not many ogres of the trolls. Wonder what is up with that.

I guess I'm in the normality stage, the same stage since I started this game in 2006. It's like going through an event that I have no control over. I've been trying to save COH since I started hence why I played, kept my subcription up and purchased things from time to time even though half of it I never used or just wanted to see what it do. That wasnt enough. So even though I cant control the final decision of the outcome, maybe I can do my part to pursuade it to go one way or another. I guess after seeing so many thing go to the deat hstages, from people, animals, vehicles, money, lost jewelry, favorite dress, homes, cities, politicians, products, companies, jobs, policies, I got kind of used to that kind of thing. All I can do is keep it together and keep it moving regardless of the knots and kinks that show up that may not been part of the forseeable plan.

I figured they would do the Red letter maintence warning that they normally do for the people that stay on when the maintanence time hits.

Plus if they dont have a plan on how to shut down the servers when people are on it, then they did not plan very well. They should know that the last day is usually the most busy in some game's entire life span.

Yeah I soloed all of those. They wasnt too hard. Went smooth and only one small bug.

Serpent Lantern did get a little...well, hell, you already put it the best as far as I can think of a description.

Aftershock had tsome good super villains in it except that one fight I found annoying. think it was the second or third part, with the Despair Demon hat kept slowing everything down every other second.

Yea I think I would carry on as normal. WAIT BEFORE YOU JUMP OUT YOUR SEAT!!!.

And carrying on by normal I mean I would always love the pet through out the life as if it was it's last from the day I get it to the end. No one knows when the end will come so I treat everyday with my dog as if I'm going to hug it and then it will run out the door and get flattened by a semi. And that is how I do with people to and just about anything.

lol.

hmm the feelings run that deep huh.

yea, I see what you are saying. I guess I dont get the anology between the game and a funeral though.

I mean unlike a funeral, like I said, access to the podium is controlled, people go to pay their respects. But in this case, the forum isnt the funeral. It was already an open floor to speak of the game and things. Although most people avoided the critical stuff due to the fact that the game is ending, and some people probably went the route of just another day, and some might be here to get their last rib shots in. I mean if the game was not going down the tube, and the OP said what he said, it would have been just another comment, and another thread. Now what has changed that it feeling like pissing someone cheerios? If it would of been ok, since, say aug 28th, what make it so inappropriate today? I mean even with a dying person, if you threaten to kill them and said that you wished they died, isnt it kind of odd to come back when they really get gravely ill and say "Oh I always respected you, and I hope you dont die." I mean which is smoke and whic is not. If the person wasnt dying, that person probably wouldnt bother to even offer so much an apology, but when they do all of a sudden they want to be nice? When they could of been the same level of nice all along? I just dont get it nor understand. BUt I think your explanation is a little bit more insight on how deep the emotional attachment of this game actually goes. Didnt realize it was on the level of a family member dying. I guess that is why many family's grieve for their deceased loved ones in a more private setting. This is like trying to hold a funeral where the deceased used to play cards and wondering why a few have nothing nice to say and or asking for the money they are owed. Lacking of a delicate touch, true, but this is the public forum and unfortunately everyone isnt going to have the sentiments.

Actually, that never occured to me with this whole save COH. Yea, people do play COH because it was COH. With the "Plan Z" it's planned on being a spiritual successor and CO in a way is that already. It has been proven that many players want COH.

Well I guess it's worth another try for them that are going that route for plan Z.

yea.

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cool shirt

Now I dont agree with GG on much or anything, but really as crazy as she is sometimes to me, there is really a spiritual successor to the game in the works. There is group right now throwing around ideas and looking at the options of which path is the best path to go to. GG seems determined to save this game with all the effort she can put forth.
Think there is more info on it on the Titan network site. Or what ever it's called. The hardest part of doing something is starting and they already started.

Off topic-But man only if the Atlas 33 thing was a normal occurance aka, that many people played at the same time on a day to day basis.

Dont think he said that he does not get why other peopel are ot upset. I think in his first line he says that he knows people are upset about the game closing and rightfully so. Not sure how you got that out of the OP.

Yea redside did get empty after a while.

That drop thing happened to me a few times. Never knew it wasa bug, but just thought I forgot to make my blood sacrifice to the roll gods. Usually I just ended up combining three for one that I wanted but prior to that feature, never had the insp that I needed and usually ahd to dump the entire basket and buy exactly the ones I use on a regular.

WOuld have been nice if some of those old TFs got updated *cough* Synapse tf *cough*

Yeah, I want freedom of speech. But not sure how it would exactly work anyways over all especially in the direspect portion. With freedom to say what ever you want someone is bound to be disrespected, yet shouldnt people be protected from disrespect? But how can that be done without suppressing speech and disrespecting them? These are things I dont know. Was hoping someone eventually throw some ideas of how this, even in theory, could work.

And about those people that seek to suppress any idea that do not fit with theirs. But isnt suppressing those people that suppress other's ideas doing the exact thing?

Or should we all just learn to deal with it all? *mere questions in the head*

Yea I see what you are saying. On the other hand that same anger is driving some folks away. It really do come off as off putting at times, especially when prior to the announcement, a post like the OP probably would of been flatly ignored by most people. I still probably would of responded because I feel and have seen i game exactly what he is talking about anf of course it gave him a bad taste in the mouth. Maybe he saw this as last chance to get it off his chest.

Alot of people are getting things off their chest and unfortunately they are not all going to be peachy positive things. One of the reasons lately that I'm wishing more and more there was actual private forum channels, that way people, especially the emotionally fragile right now, can have an enclosed support without worrying about seeing comments like the OP, and the OP can still express himself here, a forum he also have an investment in, without offending the emotional.

Is there any place here that is appropriate to express yourself that may not be high in hope positive, peachy wonderland? I'm not saying that there is nothing wrong with that as that is what keeps the fight alive but when it gets to a point that a person cannot simply say, "Meh, I did not enjoy myself here much." without being attacked by someone that felt attacked by that statement, maybe something about that should be done or thought of to fix that in the next iteration that is being planned?

While on one hand he speaks of centralizing efforts then on the other hand he disrespects anyone that doesnt share the view. At least that is how he coming off to me. With seems to make his idea of centralizing efforts is thinking like he do, speaking like ,he do, and doing exactly what ever he thinks will save this game in the order that he thinks will save this game and anyone that dont agree to that exact format is against him and his people.
If he is really serious about the game and leader the effort I would think he wouldnt even have the time to come off of his TitanNetwork thing to bother with a poster that didnt share his view. Originally I was thinking "oh yeah, we have a chance now to have another iteration of COX where ideas can flow and stuff." Then after a while, I started to notice that more and more, the same players that love to censor anyone that didnt fit their view is over there on titan trying to save this game, many at the forefront. Then when TonyV made that post of his, I realize that it just wasnt a few of the "citizens" but the leader himself. I'm not willing to trade the COX way of open talk with the devs and other higher ups with a dictatorship that is just a minature WoW. That is "I, the one in charge, like this idea, and EVERYONE will like it too!" Unless you have WoW's bank, that way of thinking will sink a game in a matter of months. *trying so hard to avoid a hitler compare as he was too charismatic, people loved him, supported him, he rallied the people to rebuild Germany, and then we seen how that turned out." but it fits with TonyV's postings.

But like I said I hope he succeed and will even throw in everything I have to help the effort if need be, although not in TonyV's name or for his glory, but more so that him and his people have a place to go so that they wont be a danger to other games and they are happy with their own game.

Yeah, I thought about that and not sure if even a funeral and this game's situation is easily comparable, although some aspects are.

See, the deceased=this game
Family=I assume would be the players
Forum=?public place that came with the game to express thoughts?
Funeral=usually private, and even then usually only certain people and or certain amount of people that is usually already pre-chosen.

But given that the OP has probably more and maybe less investment in this game, and maybe even paid money at one point, can say what he said. And another thing is that this is not a person that is dying here either. It's a game. Nonetheless, some people have emotional attachment to it, some more emotional attachment then they probably ever can show to a dead person, and to them it's like being at a funeral. That is why most funerals are private and the news are only told to friends and family. Even the ones that are public usually have an invite only to speak there and or must submit what you plan to say prior.

Unfortunately and fortunately, they did not keep the news of this game's death within the inner circles. They did not set aside a private area to grieve for the loss of the game, I guess TitanNetwork probably comes as close as possible to it right now as I think TonyV and his ilk have pretty tight leash on the ideas and stuff that is posted there and thus if this thread was there would of been removed within minutes and the OP probably would been banned for life there.

To me this is like of those places that is open to the public that non-smokers also enjoys, but smokers go there as well and light up. Is it right for a non-smoker to tell them to not to smoke? Depending on the side, you get different answers. I dont think this forum has a non-smoking section only aka--only hopfeul positive thoughts are allowed section. All a person can do is stay away especially if they are across the way blazing up a Camel. If they invade your space, by all means tell them to go away. But it's disrespectful to walk across the park and tell them they better stop smoking when they have every right to be there just as much as you.

Everyone can just keep the comments to themselves of course. That would be the easy thing that would never create problems or frictions between differing views. Yet, when it's an area where it's allowed to think that "I can express myself and what I feel.", it is probably not an exclusive to any one's person way of thinking. All people that is able to post probably think that.


I guess the real root is, and maybe in the next iteration of the forum it may be solved, how exactly do you keep some way of ideas flowing yet the same, to prevent precieved disrespect, and by who's standards should it follow?

Or better yet for those that felt disrespected by the OP, how should he have worded that he basically hated his experience here and dont care if the game ends and he feels nothing without it coming off as disrespect? Some might say that he should keep it to himself but isnt that the point of the forum? To be able to express yourself? Or did I miss the point and the point is to post only if you agree with "people with the most friends" or backers and what they say you are suppose to say and think?

Learning that a blaster wasnt a tank. Then learning that tanks and brutes fit me like a glove.

Another favorite if not the favorite, the time that the ability to cancel certain buffs, like SB, or visiting nul the gull to get rid of the speed porton feature came out. I think it was win win for everyone. Kins didnt have to worry about buffing people that didnt want the buff and the people that didnt want the buff didnt have to worry about people forcing them to take it, whether they was teaming or solo. I wished at the time that you only could buff team mates, but that wouldnt have solved all the problems and it may hinder buffing in some cases. The way it was done, I loved it. I dont think it would have been done any better way that is a win-win for everyone, besides purposeful buff griefers who found out it was no fun if they can no longer control the movement speed of unwilling players. Before it was annoying now it's like "Yeah go ahead and driveby buff. I wont move any faster. .

Slim to none. But I guess since it's ok and logical to wish and hope for the slim to none chance of the game being saved then it must be ok and logical to hope that it will go to stand alone format.

I would like that.

Funny thing is when I bought this game years ago, I thought it was a stand alone game. I thought it was one of those game, like many steam games, that require i-net connection only for setup and install. Man, was I disappointed. Took me a year before I decided I was going to go ahead and give it a whirl anyways, especially for the customization and concept that was described. Even though I would have prefered it to be standalone to this day, I got kind of used to it being an MMO. I did learn somethings about the way that some MMOs operated and this lead to me trying other MMOs that prior I wouldnt have looked twice at. Most, didnt play for any significant time beyond the time it took to know that this game isnt for me. Some I played on and off before getting rid of it. And one, I stayed, which was here. Wish it was standalone but it wasnt and I dealt with that. It was a small price to pay for the overall good game and concept. Sometimes I wonder that if I went on and installed the game as soon as I bought it would it have put me in I4 or I5 instead of coming in at I6.

I guess I'm the weird one here. I want people to be honest at my funeral and would greatly appreciate it. I feel that never liking a person the entire life then when they die all of a sudden they want to make peace as the most disrespectful thing they can do or pretending they liked the person in the eulogy when two days ago they was on the verge of sending them to the coffin themselves. At my funeral, I rather people be honest than fake. But that is just me. If they viewed me as nothing but a mere spoiled brat and that is on their mnd, then say so. Dont get up there and all of a sudden act like we was the best of friends and I was the greatest person in the world when in no manner when I was living was that ever expressed.

Especially from folks that didnt agree with him and only came here with the intention of blasting him. I mean, it wasnt like the topic was misleading.

Well I am a long term COH player too but I might be an exception, and didnt see it anything beyond what exactly he posted.

Yet I ask this to people that think like TonyV. If I said, to him or not to him directly, that I'm leaving the COX world, how do you feel? He probably would say that he dont give a crap based on his prior experience with dealing with me and I doubt many people would jump his case for that. And to me, that is what the OP was saying. He had bad experience, no matter how petty it seems to someone else, it seemed to bother him beyond the petty side, and said, based on his negative experience that he dont give crap about this game. So why jump on his case, the OP, if he so happen to have bad experiences with the game and not give a crap if it disappear off the face of the earth?

Bugger! Theres go most of my case.
Then it was wrong for him to do that as well, very wrong. And for TonyV to turn around and do it still doesnt make it any more of a right.


Or why not discuss the differences in a manner that is constructive, like this convo between me and you is going, IMO.

I guess maybe because I dont see how it was disrepectful. He didnt go on a "Save COH" thread and posted that. He made his own thread, and I would have assumed (which is usually wrong anyways) that most people who was upset over the loss of this game would see the title and think, "hm I'm actually upset over the game so maybe I should avoid that thread." It's like the same if TonyV made one of his inspired speeches to rally people to save this game and the OP went in there and said what he said, it would be considered trolling as the topic was obviously not "I dont care about the game". Since the OP made the thread and the topic, how was it in anyways disrepect to them? Was they one of the noobs? Was they one of the cocky vets that maybe or maybe not disrespected the OP? TonyV and others are doing exactly what they would consider trolling if they made a thread like that.

And even that is cool too, but seems like many was endorsing TonyV's trolling the OP while no one defended the right for the OP to feel the way he felt.

After reading it over and over, I can how this can irk a few of the "hopefuls", yet not sure how they would feel disrespected anymore than posts of TonyV that basically disrepects the people who isnt as passionate as him about saving this game. And some people probably dont see how he was disrepectful in some of his posts to people that may not be as enthused as him. And that is what I'm getting at. Anything can be disrespectful that is why in the first post I stated it seemed like the OP is just stating how he feel. That wasnt good enough for TonyV and his ilk that was out for nothing less than blood and wanting to hang this fellow. I didnt think the OP was anymore disrespectful than what TonyV has posted about people that are less enthused than him about this game. And yet, not many said anything to TonyV about being just that, disrespectful. Yet again, no one else said anything about the disrespect of TonyV here, yet quickly got behind him to get on the case of the OP.

As the game ends it seems to be a lot of zealots. TonyV kinds of reminds of one of those soft spoken, well spoken, charismatic old school preachers that can get a crowd going and turns hell fire and brimstone at anything that is not according to his view of the bible. And wish to burn all heretics at the stake, even though the past Sunday was preaching about how one should not kill.

But this is my opinion and nothing more on the situation that happened in this thread.

Then again who knows who exactly was the intentions of the OP. It could be either way. Anything that anyone says can be disrespect to someone. Even somethign as simple as saying this game is the greatest game in the world, or America is the best country, or NCSoft is stupid and etc.

So many I shouldnt have jump on TonyV case for being disrespectful in my eyes to the OP no more than he should of jumped on the OP for being disrespectful in his eyes. Sounds like I owe TonyV an apology.


I think someone is probably going to shoot me but I wished they had strictly private channels here. Where outside actual questions about the game and stuff, everythig else should have been delegated to private rooms. It would cut down on trolling and or percieved trolling. That way someone can create a channel might be using wrong term, and state a topic and only people that is friends of that person, and or invited to that topic can respond. That way everyone gets what they want. Threads where everyone post in agreement and dont have to worry about people that disagree. TonyV wouldnt have to worry about people like the OP and the OP wouldnt have to worry about TonyV.