EvilGeko

I disagree.

Lol, Zwillinger. But what does Golden Girl get?

Fair enough but you are wrong, because you were right, but now you're wrong and.... wait what?

You win too!

Here's the thing, I purposefully used the words 'overpowered' and 'fair' instead of 'balanced'. I tend to think it's all BS, since the devs can change their balance goals any time the person with final decision-making authority says.

I think if you are going to have different ATs where in the general case one AT is supposed to do more damage or be more survivable or whatever, then you need to not have power sets that can't be transferred directly. Of course that is not true now. But I think it should be.

Arcanaville, Ultimus and you win, because my comment could be read as an objective evaluation of SS. I did not mean to leave that impression, but it is certainly a fair reading of my post. I haven't taken my blood pressure medication today and so chose for my mental and physical health to concede victory!

OK, you win too then.

That's not what I said. I'm not going to argue with you about what I said, but I did not make the contention you stated.

Strange, I agreed with your post earlier in the thread. Are you recanting it?

Easy, if SS would be overpowered if ported to Scrappers, then it is overpowered now on Brutes and Tankers. SS allows these two ATs to do, with this powerset , more damage than these ATs should do vis a vis Scrappers and Stalkers.

Their position in the damage hierarchy: Tankers>Brutes>Scrappers/Stalkers is broken. IMO a damage set is not fair if it cannot exist on all ATs that use that type of power set.

What's your point? The discussion is about a balance consideration.

Great idea!

Lol, that's signature worthy right there.

I'd just go Premium, spend the sub money on character slots and play the non-Incarnate game.

To give a fuller explanation, I quoted your original statement. There's a very specific reason, this would be it for me. In some other MMOs I've played, they use this exact method as a lazy man's way to deal with power progression. Here, the devs teased ten slots. They created the expectation of progressively becoming more powerful as we move up the line. Hybrid is now illustrating the problem that many other games find themselves in. We are running up against hard caps in much of the content. Now, how you deal with that isn't a trivial question. But what you NEVER do, in my opinion, is go back and nerf powers that were fine when they were added, but only now are overpowered because you need some headroom to add more power. Interestingly, Hybrid Assault Radial, deals with this issue in a good way, IMO. By adding a damage proc, it allows low damage cap ATs to circumvent that limitation and still progress. While at the same time providing a benefit to high damage cap characters who choose to go that way.

I don't claim I know the best way to deal with this problem. But I know what I don't like to see, and you described it quite well.

This. Stopped reading because it makes no sense out of context.

The way Hybrid works, this will never come to pass. I just finished a Magi trial and for the majority of the trial I was at the HARD CAP for all defense, capped resists, and I was highly damaged buff, although I wasn't tracking real numbers. Lore works because it brings in a new entity with its own caps. In that way it circumvents our limitations in a way that only radial Assault does. Much of this is the result of Destiny which feels like a real Incarnate power. In games which much tighter min-maxing, another complaint against Hybrid would be that it's useless because we're at the cap for most attributes most of the time during raids.

I don't much care for the Lore Slot either, but I can't but acknowledge that it's a fantastic increase to damage and really can turn the tide. We'll never need a whole league with Hybrid. It might help a bit, but with our very powerful buffer/debuffer ATs I don't think any non-level shift Incarnate power will ever be strictly necessary.

Naw, I'll still hate it. And I really doubt you're fantasy will come to pass. We know how and when to use Hybrid. You might note that everyone acknowledges it has power. Doesn't mean we have to like it.

I don't disagree with that. You explained my issue pretty well. I recognize that at T4 some of the Hybrids are powerful, but the mechanics are just terrible.

Don't misstate me. I said the average Joe, not everyone. My thoughts, representing objective truth, are entitled to utmost deference.

You really believe that don't you? Wiping out one spawn every 90 seconds is nice, but nowhere near the benefit Interface or Destiny bring.

Maybe that's just want I WANT you to think!

But on the boards, no one acknowledges what each other means. Look at the previous 3 pages of everyone arguing that their definition is right and the other gal/guys definition shows them to be dishonest, mentally deficient, or both. Hence these discussions are meaningless.

The devs take feedback from a lot of people. I acknowledge and agree that the devs should give your feedback more weight than the standard joe because you have the educational and professional background to make learned opinions on game balance. But at the end of the day, they do whatever the heck they want to do anyway and so long as they think it meets their goals, it's 'balanced'.

So for me, I just ask for what I want, explain why and hope for the best. It usually works out.

'Balance' is whatever the devs say it is. It's no more relevant to this conversation than swiss cheese.