EvilGeko

Naw, see that really doesn't fly. If there was an "I Win" button in the game that would immediately give you a level 50 with 2 Billion influence, you don't get to say, "You have the choice not to use it." The game is meaningless if you don't have to play the game.

It's like your objections (well-founded IMO) against the more pay-to-win aspects of the Marketplace. We always have a choice not to buy purple enhancers, or super-packs or those ridiculous Amplifiers they have on test. But that doesn't mean that including all those things isn't moving the game towards pay to win.

Side-kicking is orders of degrees away from those, but it does (mildly) cheapen the experience just by existing. This is why many developers have rejected the concept immediately.

Everquest II has it. It's called mentoring there. And it works better IMO because you can do it solo for anything you want.

Side-kicking is considered tantamount to cheating in some circles. I don't personally care for it much myself. Exemplaring exists in other games, which is much more reasonable IMO.

Anti-zerging. I imagine the devs don't want people going to the hospital, loading up on reds to cap damage and not caring whether they live or die.

How flexible are you as to what you will do? If you mean, "get a team to do anything" then perhaps. But try to get a team for say a Moonfire when it isn't the WST and you're not willing to put it together yourself.

Assumptions aren't good to use (what the heck does utilize mean that use doesn't) either.

Honestly, it's the same here. If you're willing to start your own teams, you'll have a team in minutes. If not, you can wait hours.

See, it's interesting. You all keep phrasing this in terms to demonize people who wanted something different. You project this negativity that I didn't see. Folks stated a preference, the devs did not wish to go in that direction and didn't. That's all.

No 'whining children'. That's not an argument, that's just calling the other guy a name. Doesn't really make your point. The devs made their point. They believed that a click provides more interesting gameplay. I don't disagree with that. I did try to make the point that many characters already are laden with clicks to manage and having too many cooldowns can lead to tools not being used.

I didn't see anyone countering that. I did see many people calling names and reflexively assuming the worst of people who had a difference of opinion. Sad, but that's the internet.

I think the crowd that said that Tyrant was too easy were correct. I also think the devs have to recognize that harder content needs to provide a carrot big enough to justify the time and commitment. It need not be more exp, although that would be helpful. They could have and should have made this trial give a rare or very rare.

We'll see what they do, if anything. But I got a giggle when a farm ended and the person who put it together immediately put together a BAF.

I understand that you may hear negativity there. Writing is usually unable to express emotion and so we often project our emotions on to the writer based on our own experiences and how we use language. Which is why I have explained that I have no anger about this. It's a game. Nothing in this game upsets me. For example, I have little to no desire to play the SSAs, so I don't. I don't even care enough to suggest changes. I just don't play them.

Now some folks would interpret the above as "OMG EVILGEKO SAYS HE H4T3S THE SSA." Which is not true. I just have no desire to play them and I therefore I don't. It's a statement of fact.

I guess that's where we disagree. If they had no intention of changing their mind no matter what was said, that's not listening, in my opinion. That's reading the comments and summarily disregarding them. They did attempt to appease us, and they are to be commended for that. But they did not listen to our concerns because they had their own design goals and they STATED they were unwilling to modify those goals. They explained why, which is important and appreciated. However, they did not listen.

Now, we must agree to disagree on this, because nothing you say will convince me that my opinion is in error, nor do I expect anything I say will convince you, you are in error. But that's fine, it would be a very boring world if we all agreed on everything.

Of course not, and nor should they. But look, you all are assuming a negativity that isn't there. When I say the devs didn't listen, I'm just stating that because it's what happened. I make no judgment on that. They had a concept and decided to go with it. It's that simple. I am not equating listening with "doing whatever we wanted". But Hawk stated that they had no intention of changing their original design goal. As YOU HAVE ALL STATED, there was never an option for an always on power. We agree on that. But if there was NEVER an option for an always on power, then the devs weren't giving due consideration to some folks' concerns. Maybe that was the right decision, maybe not. Time will tell.

There have been contra-examples where the devs have tried something we suggested, found it wanting or not meeting their goals and went another direction. That's listening. That's not what happened here.

Whatever. Believe what you want, as will I. It doesn't matter a bit. They did what they did, and the completely foreseeable consequences of that are coming to pass.

I hope you're right. Because, things are proceeding exactly as I expected, people are farming Magisterium till their eyes bleed. The only thing I've been surprised is how quickly people have tired of it.

I just finished running a farm, and some poor guy came in with us using the LFG tool. We told him it was a farm and I felt bad because he was looking for a completion run. So back in the queue he goes, but since other folks on my server were trying to do ANYTHING ELSE but Magi, I don't think he's going to have much luck.

Agreed. Tyrant should be worth about 25% by himself. But then since I also agree that the devs will likely just nerf the IDF farm, I'm glad I knocked it out on my main incarnates already.

No, they didn't listen. Hawk stated point blank that whatever folks wanted, they were going with a cooldown effect to the power. Listening doesn't mean simply taking in the information.

Here, the devs heard what we said, but they also made clear that they weren't even considering what SOME (not all) of us wanted. I find this situation very similar to the Issue 4 Regen changes when they knew darn well they were going forward with the changes whether one of the bases they used was in error or not. I'm not angry about this, but I'm not going to make excuses and try to claim the devs were trying to take our views into consideration here. They weren't for the most part. The minor passive effect was as much as they were willing to give and even there, the majority of those boosts (Assault notwithstanding) are so minor as to be irrelevant.

Please speak for yourself. The majority of my incarnate characters would have been able to absorb that cost. I only had two characters that would not.

Well, it is fair to say that the devs didn't listen to some people's feedback. That's a fact. Whether it was a good idea to listen to their feedback is another matter entirely.

With respect to Hybrid, this was purely a design choice. The devs wanted non-permanent high power. Some players would have been OK with moderate to low power with always on application. For my part, I'm mostly OK with the passive boost provided by Hybrid because it means I can just go with Assault and take my 10% damage. If I remember to hit the power great, if not, at least I have that bit of boost.

I have been wildly ecstatic about Issues 19-22. I was due to think an Issue was a failure and in my opinion, Issue 23 is the most disappointing issue in recent memory. It's OK if others disagree, this is just my opinion.

Resistance buffs are buff-able. Always have been.

That's what under discussion.

If I recall correctly it was .5 end/second. That's not exactly 'mega' in terms of endurance cost.

Also, if I recall the thread in beta, many, many people were perfectly fine with reduced power for constant use. It was the devs that decreed that they wanted a 'cooldown' type effect to the power. Something flashy and ultra-powerful with the caveat that you can't use it all the time. Well, on those terms, I think they succeeded (mostly). But it was THEIR terms, not the players. And anyone who says different is simply being an apologist for the devs.

Re: Peacebringers

Solar Flare
Damage is anemic
No full melee chain in Dwarf or Human
Ranged chain is pitiful
No access to Air Superiority

Re: Warshades

They're pretty groovy but I prefer playing my other characters.

*Stop hogging the popcorn!*

Waits patiently popcorn-less for Arcanaville to respond.