Hybrid Melee - Alpha boosts it or no...?


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So I build Hybrid Core Melee on a character who has Cardiac Alpha, and noticed that my DR buffs were exactly the rated value. I thought that was strange, as I expected Cardiac to boost the DR buffs. For giggles, I changed my Alpha to Vigor and tested whether it buffed the +Regen, and it did. So basically I'm kind of confused by the inconsistency and wondering if it's a bug. I did actually submit a bug report in game.

But does anyone know from beta info if this is expected?

Edit: Actually my regen test was flawed. I need to redo it in the morning. I think Vigor probably did not boost it. But even if it's consistent, it seems odd.


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Damage buffs are not buffable. Never have been.


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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU View Post
Damage buffs are not buffable. Never have been.
Resistance buffs are buff-able. Always have been.

That's what under discussion.


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Originally Posted by EvilGeko View Post
Resistance buffs are buff-able. Always have been.

That's what under discussion.
Sorry, mis-read the OP for some reason.

The Hybrid Resistance should benefit from Alpha, but it was very very undertested during beta.

Hybrid is bug-ridden.


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OK, at this point I'm fairly sure this is down to bugs.

I correctly tested Regen, and Vigor is buffing the chunk of +regen granted by Melee Core, and it's buffing the part you get per-foe. However, it's not buffing the auto/passive Regen buff we get from having Core Melee slotted (Melee Boost Very Rare).


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Alpha boosts nothing for Assault Hybrid powers.

Alpha boosts the toggled-on regen, defense, and resist portions of Melee Hybrid powers, but not the passive portions, or the taunts or mez protection. It's strange the parts differ like that. But there's no way of telling which of the parts are buggy, and which are WAI.

Haven't tested Control or Support yet, but when I do, they'll be up here: http://cityofheroes.wikia.com/wiki/Hybrid


 

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Originally Posted by Rigel_Kent View Post
Alpha boosts nothing for Assault Hybrid powers.

Alpha boosts the toggled-on regen, defense, and resist portions of Melee Hybrid powers, but not the passive portions, or the taunts or mez protection.
Actually, I have screen shots showing that Cardiac boosted neither the base nor the scaling part of Hybrid Core Melee's damage resistance buff.


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Huh?


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Originally Posted by UberGuy View Post
Huh?
Basically, all Alpha does is act as a Universal Enhancement Slot. Any power that can be enhanced for, say, resistance, would have its resistance affected by additional enhancement values for someone with the higher levels of Cardiac. The values it shows are enhancement values, rather than buffs, so for some things that can't be enhanced for certain things (like end crashes on powers), there's no effect. So even with Cardiac, Hasten still takes 15 end when it goes away, Rage still takes 25, and blast crash-nukes still take it all.


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Right... that is definitely how Alpha works. It doesn't actually address any part of the question, though.

I haven't checked every power's info, but the passive regen boost on my Melee Partial Core Graft says "Ignores buffs and enhancements", so it seems probably intentional that that part, at least, is unaffected by Alpha powers.


 

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Originally Posted by ArcticFahx View Post
Basically, all Alpha does is act as a Universal Enhancement Slot. Any power that can be enhanced for, say, resistance, would have its resistance affected by additional enhancement values for someone with the higher levels of Cardiac. The values it shows are enhancement values, rather than buffs, so for some things that can't be enhanced for certain things (like end crashes on powers), there's no effect. So even with Cardiac, Hasten still takes 15 end when it goes away, Rage still takes 25, and blast crash-nukes still take it all.
I understand all of that. The "huh?" was because stating that doesn't have anything to do with the question at hand.

It seems highly unlikely you don't already know this, but just in case, Alpha does enhance Incarnate powers in general. Musculature enhances Judgement and Lore. Vigor enhances Rebirth (and Lore pets with heals). More directly relevant to my post, Cardiac enhances the DR of Barrier.

Vigor enhances the +regen aspects of Melee Core Hybrid (well, at least of the toggle part), but Cardiac does not enhance the DR aspects, at least not of the T3 and T4 powers. That inconsistency seems very odd.


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