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Oh i know Also was that guy in the controller forums i think who beat her solo i think?

My point being was that there are numerous activities in the game and have been for quite a while that require a lot of people

Personally the only problem i have with the lag on trials is on the lambda which i refuse to do. Not because of the amount of people on it but because of the warehouse tile it uses.
But heard theres a fix somewhere soon so im happy.

Sorry what i meant was that your original post gave out the assumption that you was explaining why this game shouldnt have these kind of raids and not how you now explain that it is more down to a thread about why you yourself dont like them.
Now that to me makes a much better thread since it gives room for compromise.

There was a time remember [pre i8?] where you could ONLY get a respec by the respec trials and only a max of 3 . . . . ever [iirc?].

But the *entire* endgame doesnt revolve around needing groups. There will be solo arcs and incarnate based options down the road while also more group based trials at the same time.
The BAF and Lambda trials were just the start of the endgame, this is level level 1 - 5 of the endgame system.

But then this post right here has more or less just said that you are complaining about the trials because they dont meet YOUR personal preference and not for the good of the game.

The reason people react so harshly to these types of threads is because it always make it seem that these raids are bad for the game when the truth of the matter is is that its just a "i dont like this new feature personally" thread.

Of course everybody has their own opinions on every single bit of the game and rightly so, but when a thread is started about it, they should make it more clear that its their own personal viewpoint of the game to them on a personal level.

A lot of players in the game belong to a group people call "badgers". A lot of those players like to solo however if they want these badges they MUST team with a lot of people which can put them off the game.
Hami-o's were out before inventions and were seen at the time as character progression due to the amount they buffed you by.

But all content now has the chance to drop shards which can be converted into threads. It is a much slower rate of progression but to say there is no progression with the old content is not true.
At level 50 2.5 million for every 10 shards to convert into 10 threads is 100% doable, at the rates the shard drops a player should be getting a lot more than that without the need to sell items. So yes it means people who dont like the invention system too.

Plus to convert the threads into components to make the powers is free until you start getting to tier 3 so i really dont see a problem here?

The only reward that the powers provide are level boosts. All the stats/power effects of the actual powers can be used anywhere in the game.
I have 5 level 50s now [maybe 6] and i have fully incarnated my main but then just gradually doing the others as i play them normally using the old content.
The only problem solo players should have i think is the speed of which the progression is and the cost of tier 3 and above.

List of things ingame that are designed to require at least one team or more.

• Every single taskforce
• Every single trial [the hollows trial requires you MUST have 8 players to complete it, so if one crashes you got to start over]
• The hamidon raid
• The mothership raid
• Every giant monster
• The Lusca giant monster needs more than one team [pref 2 - 4]
• Invasions [while you dont NEED a team for this, it really is designed for one]
• AV takedowns in RV

Plus many more . . . . . .

It really annoys me that people are describing these as tasks that takes a lot of players when they require less than a MSR and less than half a hami raid.

Your thoughts are well founded but there is however a few points that i feel should be brought up, i myself am a solo player 3/4s of the time but i do love the experience that these trials bring.
I never have and never will like the idea of a raiding system, one that takes hours to set up and one wrong move could wreck the whole thing but i honestly feel the raids [can we call them trials please?] are a much better version than the ones in other games.

For example lets take a look at the trials/raids throughout the lifespan of CoH and how they have improved over time.

• Hami Raid - On majority of servers this is the hardest raid in game to both organise and complete due to having to get a large number of players online at one time for the actual raid plus EoE hunting beforehand too. They made a mistake in this one simply because the majority of CoH players do not like trials/tfs/raids that take over 90 minutes in general. Also the fact that you actually have to complete this raid to even get a reward at the end turned unexperienced players off completely.
• Mothership Raid - This saw a huge improvement in the method of a raid system. For the first time there was now no need for a large amount of players [yes it makes it easier but is no longer essential] and organising beforehand. The rewards were on a continual basis based on your teams participation and the end prize of temp powers and costume pieces made the MSR worthwhile on a regular basis.
• BAF/Lambda - Again they took into account that people still thought the MSR was on the borderline for too long and so they shortened things again without making it lose its "epic" feel. Most runs take on average 20 - 30 minutes to complete and the rewards are constant now [via the merits].

So my point being is that raids have always been added to the game as endgame content, its just that it is now because of character progression that they have been thrown into the spotlight. The PS team has said that they are making incarnate content for solo/team players too in the form of arcs/repeatables and while you and some players might think it is bad form that they have released it without that option, a lot of us do think it was good of them to release it now instead of waiting another 6 months.

When the MSR got released people were complaining that they would never be able to get all the costume pieces and temp powers needed because they were solo players. If you look at it now, im not sure which of the two options is quicker.

See but that is down to your own ideals of what is classed as fun in this game. There are some things in this game which i point blank refuse because they hold zero appeal to me yet are very popular, for example i love being a team full of squishies with enemies buffed and players debuffed set via ouroboros.
Thats my idea of fun but i rarely get to experience that due to it being available for arcs only via ouroboros and not many people like to flashback an entire arc for the sake of it.

My final point will be that more raids are coming out, one of the new raids is even in a closed beta this month we've been told and will be releasing new ones on a regular basis. So do what this game has been about from the start and enjoy the journey, until this is content in the game that says you MUST do these trials nonstop to get your powers i really cant see any real reason why players who dont want to do it . . . to do it.

Just enjoy the game you want to enjoy it.

Sadly they stopped working a few years ago due to people being targetted via them [from what i heard anyway].

I did use them because i used to love seeing my ill/rad in the top 10 healers list and also gave me a bit of a target for certain things [kind of a mini game for myself].
I do wish they bring them back though.

Exemp down

He did mention that his favourite stat was that only 6 praetorian made characters had gone from level 1 to 50 without ever leaving Praetoria, so maybe thats it.

To be fair i wasnt expecting the wedding to be THAT good, knew it would be good but wow breathtaking. The entire thing was perfect!

Could do it just so the player gets a random salvage or inspiration from the enemy. Doesnt have to be evil

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