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Quote:And no i don't have a narrow window of what i like. You've made that up in your head likely because I don't think LotR and Star Wars are good in their original media forms.Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
Serious question for Durakken (or anyone, really, but it applies the most to him in this thread):
Would your opinion of this movie after seeing it still be what it is if you hadn't gone and poisoned your mind with negative reviews of it? You went into it expecting something bad because of what you read/watched on the internet, and then got exactly what you were looking for. What if you had avoided spoilers and just watched the movie with a fresh mind about it? Why would you, or anyone, sabotage any potential enjoyment from watching a movie by learning all you could about it beforehand (especially by watching reviews, which are usually slanted by personal bias)?
Now, my view of this is that you (Durakken) have such a narrow window of what qualifies as "good" (based on other comments you've made in the past about all manner of things) that you wouldn't have liked this movie regardless, but you certainly didn't give it a chance by filling your head with negativity before hand. Am I incorrect?
I would have liked/disliked it the same regardless of seeing any review and that is why I don't care about spoilers. They don't effect my opinion of whatever.
If I was at all influenced by reviews I'd love Oblivion, and if I was influenced by other stories under the same name I'd think SW:KotOR was a bad game. And oh let's not forget that I love Star Trek: Enterprise and can't watch Babylon 5. My feelings on all of those, according to you should be the opposite. -
Quote:What does being a hero have to do with being different?Originally Posted by warden_de_dios
What other program in that movie was willing to sacrifice their existence for Flynn? Except for Tron's hero turn at the end no other program stepped forward to help Flynn.
Quorra was the only one making choices of her free will, she chose to fight for Flynn. every other program was reprogramed by Clu to oppose Flynn.
And even if that was the qualification Tron show more "humanity" the Quorra with that change. You know, over coming the reprogramming where as Quorra wasn't programmed to be against anyone so it doesn't show anything for her to just be on Flynn's side. -
Quote:Quorra didn't show any difference between herself and "programs"Originally Posted by warden_de_dios
You don't think the ISOs qualify as an AI? You recently had a whole thread on AI, have you tried to apply the questions you asked in that thread to the ISOs?
Kevin Flynn believes the ISOs have souls, Flynn viewed Quorra as a real person. He hid her, he protected her, he replicated things from the real world just for her. Flynn would and did lay down his life for her.
Before you even saw the movie even decided Quorra was just a computer program and not worth caring about.
Flynn didn't want to leave the Grid and leave Quorra behind, he loved her. Father/daugther or they were banging, doesn't matter. Flynns only goal since the revolt has been the protection, care and education of the last ISO in existence. -
Quote:PownUnoobs, ISOs are no different than other programs other than they are hated apparently and even if they were they had nothing to do with "genetic algorithms or quantum teleportation." People really need to stop treating quantum mechanics like magic. Also programs could leave the Grid without it which is why Flynn but the portal far away from the city.Originally Posted by PownUnoobs
I was trying not to say anything, but this is ridiculous. Question one, A has the potential to happen because of B. Flynn wanted to stay because it was a revolutionary new world. Clu was created from himself, and reintegrating him was too difficult a process to endure. Clu only read it once. Can you perfectly recreate quantam physics after seeing it once? It was blatantly obvious that there was only one character with identity discs. Please watch the movie next time.
Edit: I would like to apologize for the outburst. I was just really hoping to discuss this movie, which I greatly enjoyed. Instead we've kind of hit a dead end.
And no CLU reading the disc once is more than enough because he would have experienced it and thus his disc would then have that knowledge.
As far as Tron being the only one to use dual identity discs...a faceless character that acts and looks like every other faceless character is "obviously" only one character. If you say so. -
Quote:Ironik, I said there are some things that are effected by the screen, but almost everything in this movie was not those things. A few things were, but those were yawn inducing establishing shots that didn't instill in you the wonder of the scene but rather they were just long and boring.Originally Posted by Ironik
This part is so full of fail it's hard to know where to begin. The big screen has so much more power than a monitor or a TV screen that it's not even a contest.
The movie Grand Canyon is absolutely full of menace and lurking disaster. On the big screen it's present in every single shot, but on TV it's almost entirely absent because it's diminished by the size. I told this to my parents who'd seen the movie on HBO. They decided to go see it at the local art theatre and were blown away by the inherent scariness. Which is the point of the film.
Rudolph Valentino had such charisma that it's nearly impossible to imagine any current actor standing side by side with him onscreen and keeping your attention. In Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse he plays a Lothario trying to convince one of his many lovers that he's not really cheating on her. Near the end of his speech he says, "Trust me," and turns to the camera to give a little wink. On TV it's a cute moment. In the theatre, I've yet to see an audience *not* fall all about in hysterics because it's just that powerful of a moment.
If you've never experienced it, it's the difference between watching a roller coaster on TV and strapping into one. You don't know what you're missing.
Is the Disc game cool? Sure. Is it exciting? or Scary? never.
Is the Light cycle game cool? Sure, but it's not exciting or dreadful. There is no claustrophobia, no nothing that was supposed to be generated by that thing
Were the fight scenes cool? Sure, but again they weren't exciting. They were too fast and none of them left me feeling anything because I didn't care about any of the characters... Not the dumb *** that Sam is nor the jack *** that Kevin is nor the naive rather dumb character that Quorra is. I can go on but I mean really the characters are just dull and unsympathetic as the ones that your supposed to care about and all the other ones they aren't humanized enough to matter.
What about the Light jets at the end... It was just a repeat of the light cycle thing but worse cuz all the scenes were pulled in to close to the objects and you never get a sense of scale or any tactics being used.
The sad thing is these action moments that would have made the movie so much better if they were done right felt like they were rushed and had they been given time and actual care put into them rather than lets just put on a crappy light show it would have been waaay better. These were the bread and butter of this movie's demographic and yet it was more or less just slapped on to a bad script that contained almost but talking heads that obviously couldn't keep anything they were saying straight. -
Ok,
Flynn's miracle was what?
Was it
A) He cracked the genetic algorithm and quantum teleportation
B) He discovered the ISOs and they were something
C) He discovered a way for programs to leave the Grid
How bout...
Why did Flynn want to stay in the Grid?
Why was the only way to destroy CLU to kill himself?
Why did CLU care that Flynn got the disc back he had the knowledge he needed because he saw what was on the disc thus he had that knowledge and no longer needed the disc?
And that's not even discussing the stupidity of Sam's character at the beginning, or the dual identity Discs that so many have... and use to fight with (but that they fight with is acceptable cuz it was at least nonsense from the first movie), or any other number of stupid points in it.
While Spoony is wrong about the disc thing, most of everything else he said is right so it seems to me you guys just don't like opposing opinions. -
Quote:Right, because that has anything to do with what I said.Originally Posted by warden_de_dios
You should have seen it in theaters instead of pirating it off the internet.
Firstly, I never said whether I pirated or watched in a theatre so whatever.
Secondly, the only things you could perhaps be thinking is that a loud big screen will change ones perspective on pacing. I'm sorry, but if a movie is ****** it's ****** on large or small screen even if you were to say that big screen may make it better... If it's not good on a small screen then the director failed just as much. And we're not talking about something that is made better by a big screen to begin with. I'm not talking about the 5 minute snooze fest scene that is to establish the grid or the other horrible scenes that just dragged. I'm talking specifically about the action scenes, they weren't exiting at all and they would have in no way been made better by one way or the other. The establishing shots were just boring, but those are the shots that would have been better on the big screen for breath taking, but they weren't. Those establishing shots were just, boring and yawn inducing, compared to say Star Wars which has breath taking establishing scenes that you really need the big screen to get across. (And yes i don't like Star Wars either, but that schlock is a lot better than this movie could ever hope to be with these people.)
The other thing is you might be talking about the CGI Flynn comment which is not true either because it's a facial morph/texture issue type thing. Basically it looks like they got cocky, got it looking right with one angle and then ignored the secondary angle. You could argue resolution and graininess effects the video, but that's idiotic because a CGI face looks different from a real face even through distortion and while trying to get it to look exactly the same. -
I'm hoping that the mega corps realize all these channels are nonsense, and just condense to an on demand type thing where channels are not ran by corporations but rather it becomes something like Netflix and Youtube >.>
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Watched it...
It's worse than I thought. Bad story, didn't keep to the premise, had a bad metaphor, and the one point that could have been good, the action, was just terribly boring.
And while the plot hole wasn't the exact same as what I thought it was...it was still bad and still related to the same thing.
The only thing I've heard actually praised about this movie is the music and the flashiness being something appealing to watch while high. I can't comment on the latter but the former it was only an alright sound track.
And I remember someone saying that "it showed new computer stuff"... No it didn't, and if you saw something that did then it shouldn't have been in the movie. The system they are on is from the 80s. It couldn't have because it wasn't updated with the latest tech or even moderately new tech soooo yeah no it didn't, and if it did it shouldn't have.
I was expecting a bad story, got worse, and I was expecting a fun ride and instead got a snooze fest with what 4 action scenes that clearly shows the director doesn't understand how to make things exciting.
So...
Potential: 5/5 in terms of all movies
Expecting: 3/5 for the demographic it was going for
Actually got: 1.5/5
Only reason i'm not giving it a 1 or a 0 is because I've seen worse, but usually they have no potential to start with.
Oh and the CGI Flynn thing. It happened mainly when they changed angles while still in the same shot that he went into uncanny valley territory... but when they maintained the angle which they were originally shooting from, whatever it was, it looked fine. -
The only mystery that Lost ever posed to me is why people ever watched this...
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"DC PnP Alex Ross" is what you needed to search for. If someone contributed to a work it should be on some list some where that also lists the work
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Is this what you're talking about?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1934547379/...9&linkCode=asn
if it is, your search-fu is weak... using the information you stated i found that in seconds... -
Quote:that is the same series...Originally Posted by Father Xmas
Looks like another web series.
Also watched... it's good...very good... and hopefully they get to make more. -
Apparently it debuted July 23rd of 2010 after like a year of sitting on the shelf due to the production company folding.
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#1. They'd have to figure out who these people are.
#2. In DCU the JLA and JSA and presumably a number of other teams have authority above most of the top people.
#3. In the DCU the world is more unified it seems with things like Checkmate and APES and a number of other groups.
I think the real question is what how does Batman factor into the DCU now considering JLA is more or less a UN for super-powered people to police themselves that bend to the world powers generally... Batman inc however is more or less a single man saying I am going to create this organization of highly trained operatives that will operate outside the bounds of government with them when it is "right". -
Quote:Even being the creator of a system doesn't mean you know everything or prepared for everything. If we're going to talk about assumptions it is the one that is made that is made by the movie. CLU knows that Kevin has the ability to do something that we are given no reason to believe he can because other than a character saying he can, a character that has limited knowledge, there is no evidence that he can.Originally Posted by Alpha-One
All that blabber you just said there, I keep telling my daughter that's what we call an ASSUMPTION. Stating as fact knowledge we have generated based on incomplete observation. You are wrong. As stated in the movie you haven't seen, Kevin knows how to let programs out of the grid and has kept that knowledge safe from CLU on his ID disc.
At this point it's has nothing to do with facts. It has to do what you all consider a plot hole is in comparison to what I do. So let's just agree to disagree, because this isn't going to go anywhere. -
Why would Kevin know how to do that? Even as the person who created the system he'd not how to do it, and if he knew how to do it then the system would have had to explain why he couldn't do it in the first place... and all the characters would have the ability to search for that info and come up with the answer...and with CLU's abilities he could have done it himself, so >.> still a hole, but not as bad as one.
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Quote:v.v So Kevin just going to let Sam be stuck in the grid. Great character there...Originally Posted by Alpha-One
The disc stores KNOWLEDGE. Sam doesn't have that knowledge. Kevin did.
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Quote:No, because so does Sam's since it has to do with entering the grid, not exiting, and if it has to do with exiting then it shouldn't matter.Originally Posted by Alpha-One
Did that fill your gaping plot-hole?
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So the identity disc that Kevin has is the only one that can exit the grid despite the disc being created by the grid and would have created a similar one for Sam, but Sam's couldn't be used because? And the grid couldn't create another one because? and Kevin was just gonna let Sam get stuck in the grid because?
Sam's Identity Disc would have been the exact same or very similar to Kevin's and thus CLU, once again, could have just taken the his disc and left...
If you don't see any of the problems with that ooook...
And Obiwan is right, if you don't like my position you could always just ignore me and not respond saying I'm wrong without pointing out where I am, even though I've checked and other places say that is how it happens. -
So lets go with this...
True or False?
The Portal is closed pre-movie and is open for 8 hours once Sam comes through?
The Portal can't be opened from within the Grid?
To get out of the Grid one just has to leave through the Portal?
If the above is False then the Identity Disc is needed to modify the Portal?
The Identity Disc is created within the grid (not a spoiler as this is in Tron)?
The Identity Disc of Kevin Flynn is special because... he came from the real world, thus having data from an actual person?
Sam Flynn has an identity disc?
That is all true and that creates a giant plot-hole. -
Quote:It should not be a action blockbuster. That's the first mistake they made.Originally Posted by Hallowed
The plot for the movie isn't great. It's not particularly bad, but it's got similar flaws that you will find in most high-production, action blockbusters.
Far fetched concepts are not what anyone is complaining about at all. It's that internally specific things don't make any sense.Quote:However, it does seem to stay solidly within its own logic. If you can accept the concept of humans being digitized into a living, breathing computer world, then you should not have problems with any of the other more far-fetched concepts the movie advances. -
Rylas, I have always discussed each point you bring up. I keep on forgetting you are not actually interested in discussing anything and you never actually argue any point. You simply disagree again and again, expecting to piss me off, but instead I stop the conversation and just leave it at saying that you have made several fallacies and there is no reason to discuss them because you know what you are doing. Which it is obvious you do. And you know, for someone who thinks I'm unreasonable you always start these conversations with me and despite my unreasonableness I always defend every point I make and change my mind when shown to be wrong. That to me sounds an awful lot like... oh, whats the quote, "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
NinjaPirate, I am not all fired up. I stated my opinion of the movie and how I arrived at it. People are saying I'm wrong without saying why and I said I don't care about spoilers so PM if I'm wrong telling me what I'm wrong about. I have gotten one PM and what it said doesn't change my opinion about the plot and I'm not sure it's completely accurate but if it is it changes my opinion about the clubs and crowd a little.
Ironik, I'm sure being told your an *** is a valid way of figuring out whether what you are saying is right or wrong in a world where you're an *** if you say someone looks fat when they do is considered being an ***. -
That's a pretty sad way to look at things Ossuary.
#1. Unlike some people... actually most people... I am open to being proven wrong and changing my mind on anything.
#2. I've not made up my mind. I have said what I think based on what I know.
#3. The reason people are disappointed or whatever are because they state something as such and don't want to be wrong so they maintain their position regardless. I don't do that. I take in things on their own merits, not based on what other people say or even what I have thought previously. I have fun because something is fun, not because I thought I would have fun with something. -
Ossuary, that's quote mining. I didn't say "I am very highly unlikely to change my opinion" about the movie. I said I am unlikely to change my opinion about those things being in that world.