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When was the last time you were in RWZ? Because that used to be an old zone nobody goes to.

Heroes can be tricked. Happens all the time in comics.

Constructive feedback is aimed at devs. "The discussion we're having is pretty stupid" is aimed at other forum posters. Who it should surprise nobody to learn, often say stupid things. Telling another player I'm going to stop responding because they say stupid things doesn't prevent me from leaving feedback about something.

More or less? Yes.

I have opinions about the game, and I'm an avid beta tester. I don't think any single issue has gone by where I didn't have something I could complain about. I give constructive feedback though. I explain why I don't like it and offer suggestions on what I would do to improve, or how to approach it differently.

If I just gave a blanket statement of "I like everything!" I wouldn't be able to offer useful feedback. In order for writers, artists, and game-makers to produce good products, people need to challenge them from time to time. And I would be lying to myself; I don't like everything about each issue. Even if it's a "harmless" issue, there's always something to improve upon.

Pfft. My widow was crossdressing way before the Science Booster.

I probably don't feel as strongly as you do about it. But my preference is still for revamps. I'd like to point out:

Revamps can succeed very well. RWZ is probably the most popular zone in the game now.

New zones can also epic fail. Like the Shadow Shard.

Saying revamps take a lot of time is kind of irrelevant, as the alternative is a new zone, which also takes a lot of time. If I had to pick between the two, I'd go for revamps. We have tons of zones nobody goes to and no reason for them to exist. Or even zones that barely exist for small reasons.

Also, saying revamps are only going to happen when "the story calls for it" is also kind of irrelevant. As the devs are writing the story anyway... the story calls for it when they feel like it does. At any given moment the story can either call for a new enemy group, or revisiting an old one. The story doesn't call for it, the devs call for the story. If they wanted to sit down and work on Croatoa again, they could. They aren't going to sit around the office one day when suddenly the anthropomorphic story goes "Psst, work on Croatoa. It's time."

Making a new zone is also a huge amount of work. I'm just saying I'd rather they apply it to existing zones than always making new ones and adding more zone clutter.

If the new zone is cool I won't complain much. But I wish they'd get back to some of the old zones that have tons of potential, like the Shadow Shard. (Make it co-op, make the travel not suck so much -- redesign it and make it smaller if you have to -- and finish that cool story).

No. I'm talking about being 50+1 and fighting 54s. +3 lieutenants die to one Rain of Fire. It's not even t4; it would also do a constant -10% RES then.

FWIW I do think the 10s rule should apply to damage toggles too. It more than triples the damage of my Mud Pots.

I don't know what you're talking about, because if you get people from each team on adds, every team (IE, every player) shares iXP.

You only have to "elect winners" if you're lazy and assign team 3 to do adds or something similar.

No it doesn't. We've done it before by assigning 2 people from each team to do adds.

All the Interface procs should be changed to follow the 10s rule. It would have no affect on normal powers or pets. Just patches and damage toggles. Even before this we repeatedly brought up the issue with patches doing max stacks of all debuffs in beta. It defeats the purpose of the stacks and proc ratess if a single power automatically stacks everything to max in an AoE by itself, even if the rate is 25%.

Not only did I notice it, I wrote a guide about it. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=257011

The random rewards are a great example of why there shouldn't be different components. If you get a component you can't use, you have to pay to change it to one you can.

I'll reconsider my opinion if and when we get non-trial ways to get stuff. Until then, it's still dumb.

Me neither. I forsee Interface procs getting the 10s in toggles and patches treatment that all normal procs have.

More or less. The Alpha components all match the number of tasks you can do in order to obtain the components. There are 6 commons because there are 4 task forces, a trial, and merits you can use to get them. There is only one rare because you only obtain it one way, the WST (although technically the MKSF counts, it's a one-off and only for one side). There's only one VR because you can't earn it; you have to convert up.

As there's only one way to earn all the new components, it would make more sense if there was only one of each. It serves as much point as making 7 alternatives to the Favor of the Well when you combine Notices -- literally none. Only existing to confuse players.

If we somehow get more ways to earn Judgement components in the future I might shut my trap. But I seriously doubt we'll get enough content to justify having 8 commons, 4 uncommons, 4 rares, and 4 very rares.

Because, as I said, if you get a rare or very rare early on, you may not even know which slots you're doing, much less which power or branch. If you got a common, it's hard to go wrong with [Arcane Catnip], but if you don't even know which Destiny you're going to take, you can't really make a decision about which rare to take.

There's an interesting psychological study about where if you already know the answer to something, it seems like it should be obvious for anyone else.

The system is very simple to you and I, because we already know the answer and are familiar with it. But just glancing at it without a guide or any prior knowledge and it can be confusing. For one, it's different from the Alpha system (both in number of components and needed component types for various things), so even if you're used to the Alpha system it's different. It uses entirely new things, and none of them are actually marked for rank when you're looking at recipes. So if you're a new person and you're looking at components needed, let's say you see you need:

Super Kangaroo
Omega Waffle
Superior Hangover
Extreme Flavor
Ultra Dogfight
Mega Jack-in-the-Box
Dynamic Sugarcane
Fantastic Lemon
Amazing Submarine

Okay. First off you have no idea what any of those are because it's all brand new and totally greek to you. You don't know the ranks of them or how many you need for what thing. Is Extreme Flavor common or rare? If you're randomly given an uncommon, how many total do you need? Now add to that you have a possible 32 powers to pick from which all have various permutations and perks and nuances. Without doing any research do you actually know what you're doing? Is it even fair to expect players to sit around researching? Not every player enjoys that sort of thing and prefers to cross bridges when they get there.

There's a lot more to it than just looking at the chart. If you really haven't been digging around in beta or reading guides, you have no clue where to begin. If you run one trial and are given a rare, what do you do? You have no idea what slot you're getting first. You have no idea which powers you're taking within those slots. You have no idea what branch you're taking within those powers. Which power is best for your character? Which branch is best for your character? You may know the answer to these questions, but let's imagine we insert a totally new system that you know literally nothing about. Are you getting Hybrid or Genesis first? Is it worth taking Genesis to very rare? Which Genesis branch are you going to take? Is Partial Radial better suited to your character than Total Radial? How many rare components do you need for Genesis?

Now, I knew what powers and branches all of my characters were taking before i20 beta. So this is no problem for me. Because I'm that type of person and I do lots of research and spend time on beta. But I have plenty of friends who, when faced with the reward table for the first time, went "Huh?" Though, I guess all my friends are idiots according to you since they didn't already have a spreadsheet set up. Really, they could've made 256 distinct commons just for the hell of it, so none are actually repeated in recipes, to really make sure that people are paying attention when they pick stuff. Would that have been a better idea?

Essentially, although I know this was never the intention or goal, it feels to me like the purpose of having multiple rares and very rares that you have to pay to change only serves to punish players pointlessly. Just for kicks. In fact, considering literally 100% of all the rewards come from one task, they actually could've gotten away with [Common Component] and only had one of each tier. It would literally be the same end result, just without the added "player has to make sure they know what they're doing before they do it" part. As I said before, at least with Alpha there was a purpose and reason. In this case, it's completely unnecessary and only serves to confuse people for no reason. Add to that a tax for picking the wrong thing and you've got yourself an eyeroller of a system.

Even ignoring all that? It's not too terribly difficult to sneeze and click the wrong button.

If the post above yours is any indication, 60 would be more reasonable (presumably, 16 for rares, 6 for uncommons, 2 for commons).

People shouldn't have to side-convert, but they obviously do or else the system wouldn't've been put in.

Additionally, people shouldn't have to side-convert because it doesn't really make sense to have a large number of functionally identical rewards. At least with Alpha, there was one reward per task you had to obtain them. Only one rare and only one very rare. Why are there four very rares if you get them all in exactly the same way? Yes, people shouldn't have to side-convert, because there should only be one very rare anyway, since there's no reason other than putting extra work on the player that they even need to exist in the first place. Of course, that's been a topic of discussion since beta.

The fact that there are even extra components that are obtained the same way and do the same thing, and that you have to pay to switch between them, is entirely unnecessary in my opinion.

Consider: Alpha only has one very rare. There's no need for people to side-convert because only one very rare exists. Every single recipe uses the same very rare, because there's only one way to earn it anyway. Which is identical to the new system. There's only one way to earn them all. So they're all worth exactly the same thing. Which powers use which very rares is completely arbitrary and holds no actual importance or value. So the very act of pointlessly adding extra very rares introduces the need to switch between them, which for some reason has to be paid for. Why exactly?

The thread cost is payment for changing it to another component of the same value, unless I'm misunderstanding something critical. If you had picked the right VR in the first place there would be no cost involved. So the cost is only there if you were dumb/mistaken/clickhappy enough to take the wrong one in the first place. As such it's more a tax for making a mistake. It's not like we're paying a tax for doing an easier task (ITF) and converting the component into something better or harder to obtain (Penumbra of Rularuu).

All the components are awarded for the same exact task, and all the conversions are for items of the same value. In essence you're only paying in order to change a component you can't use into one you can use. But both items are obtained in exactly the same manner and should have exactly the same worth. So I don't feel the rate should be cost-prohibitive. It would make more sense to me if the conversion cost was a small, reasonable amount of threads not tied to the overall cost of the component itself.

My thought was something along the lines of making Marauder's RES cap 95%, and lowering his Enrage to at most 90%. That way S/L people could still damage him, and it would require less -RES to actually take him out.