Deus_Otiosus

1) It will have less AoE.

2) Soul Drain is totally irrelevant in an AE farm mish (so is rage, and fury).



It will not be faster than SS/FAin an AE farm, and it is highly unlikely to be faster outside of the AE as well.

If you want to avoid SS, I would most likely go Fire/Fire/Mu.

Thanks. Although that's from February it looks like.


I wonder if we can convince Iggy to make a Scrapper version of his build on the beta server.

Redraw will not work out well for Claws.

I'm not convinced you want Burn and I'm pretty sure that Gloom is a loss of DPS due to redraw as well.

Two questions:

1) What attack chain were you running?

2) Do you know off hand of some DM/Invuln Scrapper times we can compare to?

Now is probably the best time however, as you can buy 1 Astral or 1 EMP for 1 INF on the beta server in Ouroboros.

Pretty sure it doesn't.

Tankers on the other hand generally have a better Reactive effect due to Bruising.

164 is without FU at all, or with only 1 FU buff active?

I'm not seeing 60-90 DPS, not even on the DB/Ela.

I've gotten, I think, around 20-30 DPS across all of my characters.

I'll take my Fire/Rad Corr for a few pylons with and without Reactive to test as that character has one of the faster attack chains available to me.

Really?

You think he looked at all of the competing factions, Nemesis, Arachnos, The Heroes of Paragon, Longbow, The Vangaurd, Malta, The Council, The 5th Column, The Circle of Thorns, The Carnival of Shadows, etc. would all set aside their differences and join forces with the Praetorians and help fight the Hamidon.

I think he looked at that chaotic mess and made the right decision, they can't even seem to sort their own affairs out in the face of enemies like the Rikti & Shivans. Why would they unite to help him?


C'mon, you can give a serious answer can't you?

From his point of view, he saved praetoria from the utter annihilation that is the praetorian Hamidon, and now he has come to bring primal earth under his rule in an effort to keep this truce with the Hamidon - lest we all be destroyed.


Do you think Alexander the Great was a hero, or a villain?

My opinion is that Cole is potentially a villain in the way that Ozymandias is a villain in The Watchmen.

I don't think we've seen everything behind Cole's story, and rather than post i21 spoilers here I'll just leave one of my favorite comments from Cole at near the end of the Loyalist arc.







My opinion is that there is an element of potential gray to the Emperor Cole storyline.

With what Sam has posted after you, I would say that nearly all of the big time, top 10 villains from comic books are "glamorous" villains.

Here's a good list that I tend to agree with in terms of some of the top villains presented in comics: Top Ten Comic Book Super Villains

Aside from That famous crazy clown, I think the rest of them are what Sam defines as "Glamorous" Villains. Even the Clown is debatable depending on who is writing him.


I agree on Phipps, but I don't really see him as one of this game's Major characters.


I agree on Nemesis.



If I'm reading you right, then I think I can say that I mostly play "Glamorous" villains, in that all of my villains have some overarching goal they are trying to achieve and, depending on character, are willing to go to extreme lengths to achieve it (i.e.they act with some measure of ruthlessness) That doesn't mean they occupy every last second of their free time purposefully stomping kittens and puppies into puddles of blood.


I don't play disgusting villains very often, villains like Jason Vorhees or something, because they are as boring as I find most "Knight in Shining armor" heroes to be in that both are fairly 1 dimensional with little actual character.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Villains that fit your description of "disgusting" villains are exceedingly rare in Comics, Movies & TV outside of things like Serial killers and slasher films or limited/one-shot characters who are used only as a plot device (like Doomsday).


Instead, I'll ask you to provide some examples of both types of Villains as they fit your own opinion of your own definitions laid out in the first post.

With that, I might have a better idea of what you are asking.

My knowledge of CoH Lore is not as encyclopedic as others.

Outside of maybe Captain Mako, I can't think off hand of any of the main Villains in game who would fit your definition of "revolting" - some examples here would be welcome.


I assume this conversation has been sparked by the thread from the Open Beta forums, discussing Villainy and the new tutorial.

If so, I don't even agree that the first action you take as a villain in the tutorial fits into the 'disgusting' Villain category.

I left out the rest of what you said because you are confusing ideas.


1) Consistent DPS is only relevant against hard targets like GMs, AVs, & some EBs - and Scrappers pretty consistently pull ahead here.

2) AAO completely pushes the Scrapper past the realm anything the equivalent SD Brute is capable of, and there is no reciprocal gain in survivability for the brute. The Brute does have a survivability gain, but it is minor in comparison to the offense gain the Scrapper gets.

This wouldn't be true if we were discussing Invuln, but we aren't.

We're discussing SD, which blows the Brute out of the water and is also one of, if not the, top secondary in terms of combined defense/offense capability when discussing IO/tope end builds.

I like to play as the ones that are more complex than the black and white 2 dimensional options you presented.

You seem to have separated "Villains" into 2 categories

A) Villains that aren't really Villains, and are more Anti-hero.

B) Raving homicidal sociopaths with no redeeming/interesting qualities.

No.

Scrappers do more damage upfront, and will do more damage even after fury is factored in.

With Shield Defense in the picture, the Brute will never have the ability to even get close to the Scrapper and will not gain any significant advantage in mitigation to balance the equation.

The entire build completely favors the Scrapper.



At the OP: BS/SD will be best on a Scrapper. The Brute version stands no chance against its counterpart, don't bother with it.

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It's more than AVs and GMs as well, the endgame is highly populated with EBs and entire Boss spawns/Ambushes. They have more than enough HP to heavily leverage scourge.

How does that Kool-aid taste?

The point they are trying to make is that with Energize and PS you could 3 slot your toggles with nothing but RES and not suffer end problems.

Warmace has Crowd Control, a 180 degree arc PBAoE that can hit up to 10 targets with a base recharge of 12s with 0.67 mag KB.

On the build I posted up-thread,Crowd Control recharges in 3.5s.

Shatter?

Hits up to 5 Targets, base Rech 12s, 45 degree Arc - high recharge build it's up every 3.5s. 0.67 mag KB.


Jawbreaker: ST, Mag 5.19 KU. Base rech 10s, high rech build up every 3.1s.


On a WM/SD Buld you can have 3 AoE KD powers and 1 ST KU power, in addition to all of your Stuns.