Desitre

Originally Posted by BeLikeWater

I have a bad habit of trying to bite off more than I can chew and ended up kissing the cold, hard floor. The fact that I can be at full health in one moment and out cold the next is what make me keep playing my ice/fire tank!

Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh3d0wjbu4c

Human/Dwarf warshade does RWZ challenge.

Mez in this game is stupidly put together. Far as I'm concerned, if any AT can pull off the RWZ challenge and use nothing but breakfrees to do it so that they, too, can ignore the idiocy that is the way mez functions here, I call it a win.

So there's my challenge for any kheldian out there.

Even if you must use breakfrees, and ONLY breakfrees to do it, if you head into the RWZ, find a level 54 spawn with 3 bosses and take them out, including all associated LTs and minions, I'll give you a cookie and say challenge well done.

No pulling the spawn apart. No running away. No temp powers. Vet attacks are acceptable but generally frowned upon.

Once you pull that off, go for the gold.

+4/x8 Arachnos spawn WITH bosses, again no insp use except breakfrees allowed.

I know I can't do either with my warshade but he's running on basic IOs. I know I can do both with my scrapper. Hell, unless I get cocky and stupid, I can make it through a whole mission without insps but I WILL be playing it damn safe because psi hurts like hell against SR.

Originally Posted by Debtlover

No. he used a free dropped item to make his weakness disappear.
How is that beating the game?

As for the RWZ scrapper stress test. They have mez prot.
The test for them is can they out dps before they die.
Are you suggesting that our test be how many purples and light purples can you hold/pop before and durring combat?

Originally Posted by Debtlover

psi is not a weakness
its mez
only mez :P

Originally Posted by DarkInvado

Ah - more than I expected but what I had hoped. So far I have only had time to read the first page but I want to thank those of you who have contributed to this thread. I also want to say thanks to those of you who have posted builds - I think it will be of help to many who are new to CoH or just now exploring IO Sets and Purples.

As I have time I will continue to read the thread and I can sense a new project coming on...

So I am thinking a build which can hit the soft cap on def w/o many IO sets that confer +def would be the type of toon which would best be able to benefit from purples. So are we talking Tanks here? Shield Scrappers?

What types of toons do you all think can make best use of purples sets and still remain very survivable vs AVs, GMs, fights way beyond the aggro cap etc...?

Originally Posted by Thirty_Seven

Thank you for presenting a false dichotomy. There are many reasons why people want level 50 characters. Personally, I don't really "want" level 50 characters (Beyond the first one that is, unlocking Kheldians was a goal for me to be sure.)... but I know that if I play any character long enough that it will get there. Now, one could ask why I wouldn't simply turn XP off if that is my attitude. Well, it would get pretty darn repetitive playing the same missions endlessly on the same character in the same level range.


And this is exactly where I stop caring in this argument. Bigger numbers =/= bigger fun. They certainly CAN, but I have plenty of fun without ever having used a purple for anything but a market sale. Sure, many powers can use certain attributes in greater amounts... but isn't part of the fun of the game in being challenged? If endurance and recharge and regen and ToHit and all of the other attributes are not an issue for your character... why bother playing?

Many people argue that you need purples to do certain things, and that they only have fun doing those particular things. Well, I have to ask how they can justify playing a game in which 100% of the content doesn't matter, but doing a few things that they have built out of the content (but technically aren't something the Devs intended to be done) worth their time. It takes time and "effort" to get to 50 and to have the resources available to be able to do the only thing that these folks are here to do.


I think that making your character more powerful for power's sake or to be able to say that X AV got soloed, or I have 837% of X attribute is all about vanity. To me, playing the numbers game is so far removed from an escapist mentality as to be ridiculous. Planning builds, and crunching numbers takes you away from the fun of the game, IMO, that's why I spend so little time dealing with my enhancements, and why I don't sit around trying to build a team of 8 every time. I want to ESCAPE from life for a bit and actually friggin' play a game. NOT do mindless and repetitive amounts of math and jimmy-riggin' to get an extra .5% of something to be able to do something else an extra time so that some ridiculous activity is doable that I shouldn't really be doing in the first place!

Originally Posted by DarkInvado

So I have to admit here that I have not played with purple sets much. I have made a couple of fully slotted heroes that have had a purple set, or the random proc thrown in but could someone help me out and WHY I would use purple sets in my build? I am going to makes some guesses here...

1) I want to have a team toon build and wont have to depend on def because I will either get it from my team mates, have team mates to heal me or I just plain will never solo.

2) I want to do something really well i.e. regen or recovery or damage but dont really care if that AV face plants me in 2.2 seconds because of... see above.

3) I really have lots and lots of money to spend and I will be slotting full PvP sets as well that I will have spent billions on just one full set.

In all seriousness, are there any types of toons who, using purples extensively, are survivable and good for soloing AVs and being the last hero standing when the **** hits the fan and the team is getting wiped?

If you could share some of your builds and describe what the builds are designed for that might help.

So... Really worth all that?

Originally Posted by Biospark

Hello Ultimo,

If you are looking for a non-IO build, the one Heraclea posted is a thing of Beauty.
It brought me back to the early days of my SG leader's Tanker.

To add my own (non-tanker) perspective for you, I have seen 2 melee characters in the time I have been playing that did things that amazed me. The first was my own SG leader with his INV/SS. The amount of punishment he could take with a mass of villains around him was incredible. Teaming with him made me feel completely un-needed. This was before IOs and pre-ED even. The second time I have been impressed in this way was recently with an IOed out Katana-Invuln scrapper. You want to play a Tank that is not a Tanker, thats the way to go.

Invulnerability works really well, and as far as comparing it to a defense-based character, I dont think you really can do that. Invulnerability is in a class all by itself.

Originally Posted by DocDominion

So, specifically for the purpose of farming, and keeping by budget under 100 mil, what enhancements should I use, what's an easy AoE attack chain, and my main question: When the hell do I 6 slot? I think I've 6-slotted WAYY too many of my toggle abilities, and not only that, but despite the fact that I've 6-slotted stamina, my endurance takes a pounding whenever I'm fighting. And the only relatively affordable set for THAT is efficiacy adaptor, which only takes you so far...

More builds, more advice, more explanations, more tips, please!
Thanks so much to everybody who posted so far!~

Originally Posted by docbuzzard

I would pipe in with a 'try melee' vote.

Originally Posted by Ultimo_

Ok, here's the build as I'm playing it now. As I say, he's L44 and only just got Laser Eyes.




Canadian Shield: Level 50 Science Tanker
Primary Power Set: Invulnerability
Secondary Power Set: Super Strength
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Fitness
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery

Originally Posted by Rangle M. Down

Healing Flames will give you toxic resist for a bit everytime you use it. 20% for 60 sec. The resists stack.

CJ gives you a bit more defense, but if you feel you want more recharge you can go the Hasten/Super Speed route. It really depends on your play style. My Fire/Fire tank has air superiority/Fly because that fits the particular style of the tank. Air Superiority's kd certainly helped with the toon lvling, but it's not for everyone.