Dechs Kaison

Oh sure, that's a great way to approach it.

I didn't enjoy rock climbing until I figured out I shouldn't slam my head into the wall first every time.

The TF is different from normal content. If you don't have the right approach, you've got no chance at having fun.



EDIT: I understand not wanting to try it again a different way. If you didn't have fun and don't have fun by adapting to challenge, there's some other great games for that. I just think it's a terrible attitude to fail once and blame everything but yourself for why you failed.

Well that really shows a stellar attitude, right here. "I failed once, I'm never trying that again. I don't care to analyze why I failed or try new tactics. I'm going to blame the design and be done with it."

But that's not the design. You don't need to grind while you fail if you do it right. You can succeed right now. Without the extra incarnate powers. It's just difficult.

Need I really spell this out?

Look at my quote. My assumption is that the people complaining about difficulty are not ones that have seen it in beta. You say your quote is in contention with mine because you've been complaining since beta. You've also said you were not complaining about the difficulty.

No, that was IE, "I'm not telling people how to think."

Isn't that funny. You said you weren't complaining about the difficulty.



This is getting to where mod action should be taken. I'm done here. Feel free to take it to PMs.

These have nothing to do with each other. You said "I've seen this before" in response to me defending that I'm not telling other people how to think.

Some people have seen this before, that's great. The people complaining about difficulty are the ones that haven't. You're complaining about the system which I fail to see as anything different than what we've already had.

If you don't like it, there's really only one way to tell the devs.

Again, just because you don't finish the ITF or the Kahn or the STF doesn't mean you haven't gotten rewards the whole way through.

I'm asking people not to voice their opinions until they've had some time to experience the trials and formulate decent opinions from experience.

This requires maturity, though. I guess I am being ridiculous asking for something like this on the internet.

Not entirely correct. I don't like that it's all complaining on the first day of the trial going live.

I see where you're coming from here, but I just don't see a difference. SO'd characters on well coordinated teams are still be able to complete these raids. They get special bonuses for completing these raids. I don't see a difference between this and any other content.

Then read the rest of the friggin' quote trial for the friggin' reason.

You should know that.

Fine. I'll rephrase it to what I meant.

You people should stop complaining.

Well I dunno, I've gotten plenty of experience and influence and other rewards for completing missions in TFs that I haven't finished.

The raid is just like a TF. There are different stages (missions) where you get Astral Merits (mission completion recipes) even if you don't finish it through until the end.

You go on to talk about the drops from mobs, but you're ignoring all the mission completions in between.

Well that was non sequitur.

Recap: I said people need to stop complaining.

You claimed that was me telling people how to think.

I refute that it's asking them to act differently, not think differently.

You spew nonsense.

This is no different than previous TFs. You complete the TF, you get rewards. These rewards make the TF easier.

It's the same thing as before. Why do you complain now? Because the difficulty got bumped again.

I'm sorry you cannot grasp that complaining is an action. To stop complaining would not change how you think, it would just be a lot quieter around here until you got your thoughts in order.

Here's a new one for you: No one "has to fail" at BAF and Lambda in order to succeed. There have been plenty of runs without incarnate slotted characters that have succeeded.

Yes, completing the trials reward you with powers to make the trials easier. Completing the ITF gives you reward merits to buy IOs to make that easier too. The comparison is valid.

Haven't told anyone how to think, Bill. Just requested some grown up action.

Would be nice to see from you, too.

I do it by opening my recipe window. There's a column for components needed and one for components you have. Influence is always needed, so it always displays how much you have to the right of that.

For most content, yes. For the trials, no. It's now 59%.