Dechs Kaison

He means a +4/x8 map run as a level 50. He's taking out the guesswork, because technically a level 2 could run a +4/x8 map

I think the best part is how he had "naturally assumed" it would happen.

Classy.

Hey Claws, remember my old tank's build? The S/L/E/N softcapped thing?

I just redid the build in Mids yesterday, but with Martial Arts.

I still hit the softcap for S/L/E/N and got 10% added to everything else. I added over 150 hitpoints and regenerate about 3 more HP/second. I also got an extra 4 seconds of recharge on Dark Regeneration. I used 2 less Kinetic Combat sets, don't have any powers acting as set mules, and threw Darkest Night in for extra cushion. Oh, and I can stack stuns. And KD in a PBAoE. And I managed to fit Build Up.

The best part of it all? It fits his concept better and makes him look ****ing awesome.

/MA was the best thing to happen to my DA tank.

Neither was posting in the first place.

Hm. Not quite, but you did remind me about FM Theory, which would be the perfect way to describe controlling pets.

That's kinda the problem. I need a new gimmick.

I do have a guide in the works for that.

I'm stuck at the beginning.

The rest of it is mostly done or very easy to write. I just never know how to start these things.

Well, you can still slot Lysos. And they still buff the accuracy of the Protector Bot, but the -defense portion no longer buffs the Shield like it used to.

Good catch. I know my thought process at the time. I filled in the three SBA enhancements, then the Edict unique and the triple (Because triples are awesome). Then I looked at the power and said to myself, "Well, now I just need more damage." Lo and behold, there it was.

I might change that, though. Like I said, good catch. I'll trade 2% damage for 20% accuracy.

This much is not true. At least, it didn't used to be. The game had no way to tell the difference between +defense or -defense enhancement when it came to Hami-Os. That's why the Lysos are such an exploit, the -def enhancements are stronger than the +def ones. You still run into the same +def ED cap, but you ram up against it much faster with -def enhancements.

The power itself was coded to not accept -def enhancements to avoid this exploit, but that got overlooked when it came to HOs. Any HO could be slotted in any power so long as it could enhance something, and only later did they realize the unintended consequences of enhancing things not meant to be enhanced (Shield Defense:Active Defense) or things being enhanced in ways they weren't supposed to be enhanced (Protector Bot:Shield).

The Lysos used to work. I had them in my build, and the defense bonus from them was certainly better than level 50 IOs, especially considering that I still got my accuracy. A somewhat recent change prevented this, though, and I've since respecced.

What you'll be missing most is the burst damage, particularly burst AoE. Generally, a Nova only needs three AoEs to wipe up a spawn, so consistent DPS is never a factor for consideration.

I don't think they can do it as well. Dwarf Antagonize is many times stronger than Provoke can ever be, plus it is autohit. Nova form has AoE damage powers for every spawn. A human only shade will also be more likely to rely on things like Clarion or Break Frees.

If you are exemplaring to levels below Eclipse, then in my mind a tri-former is hands down the better pick.

No. If they buy the store version of Going Rogue, it's the same as buying that in the Paragon Market. You should keep that forever.

1.) Consistent DPS - Shapeshifting costs time. Time costs DPS.
2.) More slots - You have more ways to get the defense bonuses you'd need to really skyrocket survivability.

I'd agree with that.

As Deacon said, Lysos don't work anymore. There's another one that does, but rather than wait for it to be removed as well, I went with what I know will work for the next forever.

The Explosive Strike proc can only fire on attacks that have knockback in the attack. Granted, that's most of the attacks, but certainly not all of them. Believe me when I tell you, though, that Build Up Burn patches are pretty incredible.

Aside from which causes more damage, I wanted the giant +HP bonus as well.

Because it simply wasn't a part of the expansion. Incarnates were not tied to the side switching, praetoria's level 1-20 content, or any other feature released with Going Rogue. All that stuff came with i19 and later.

Setting Going Rogue as a prerequisite was a selling feature, but that Incarnate system was not a part of Going Rogue. This is especially as evidenced by the fact that subscribers no longer have to purchase Going Rogue to play the Incarnate content.

Then that question was loaded and you know it.

A prerequisite does not a piece make.

Because the Going Rogue expansion didn't come with Incarnate content.

Battery charger for my phone.

As referenced earlier: Screws for my screwdriver.

Needed to buy property to use grass seed and my lawn mower.

Wouldn't have somewhere to use gas if I didn't have a car.

Wouldn't need a dishwasher if I didn't have dishes.

I had to pay for gym access to get a personal trainer.

Bought a TV so I could watch cable.

Have a computer to surf the internet.

I could go on quite a while.

If it makes you feel any better, the first analogy that came to mind was going to be a caulk gun.

Or it's just hilarious, you stiff old sod.

I ninja edited the post you quoted and I apologized for jumping into the middle of this.

I still agree with everyone else that the Incarnate System is not a part of Going Rogue. It's a prerequisite, not a piece.