Dechs Kaison
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My bots/traps, no question. The thing is so stupidly powerful that it may as well be its own AT. My current build is posted on my blog, but even on SOs, he was a powerhouse.
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I'm game.
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Quote:This is the exact reason you I was so reluctant to post my build in the first place, or to give example builds with my guide.Originally Posted by Kemphler
I've come to realise that you can't just 'make' a WS build, but have to play it and find out what works and what doesn't.
So much of building a WS is figuring out how to build your WS. It's going to be trial and error. It's going to take a lot of respecs. But in the end you'll have something you love to play.
As for the latest build you posted, this is what I'd do with it.
I dropped Dwarf form because you only had two attacks slotted anyway. Believe me, you'd have found staying in Dwarf to be a great deal more frustrating then just sitting there mezzed.Code:| Copy & Paste this data into Mids' Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;1601;725;1450;HEX;| |78DA6594594F13511886CFB4530BA52C652DB216D9BBD8462F4D084A62445008208| |93738D0838C9681B4502551598C71C50B2FC4E52798688CDB5FF007B8FC0A85E8A5| |CAF871DEAFA561266D9F33EFF99639EF9CD3E1EB03FED7A7D7FB8456762A6564325| |393463A336724A5776CC694D68C740B21BCE369232BD39697C62DB980A9F3B3B3D2| |CA9859199B989F4E1BA9A9935460A9393F3F200FCCF72FA78DC0196B4EA6A5B514C| |B0D7C230B0BA9D8D8A29449BF1A0E4963D1B42E97E76E92920A9A8B01757FC6CA9A| |1973DA4C994B2B2248CF93A0EF865FF065EB628BD0A58BA21760C54BB0EB19D8F31| |C5CDECBD1548E26823468D285AB0ECCFA794AD82E2D46A304CDF5827A186C2333DC| |C877B9C34269870EF01AD5F12046F7FC7129ADE81FE8FBCBB441FF2E584B75BDC81| |1DE1AF40A90568CE711C5ACDDA3DA259A4FD52EE1DA7EAE59B6D7234EDC052BB8C7| |0AE59472ED52AE7387B472F6AE9CBD8BB05711F62ACA5E46D9CB079413408E27F0C| |5A53CABFCCAFC06567F679EA030DD2D6A997729B78AFB557D824FB51FC0E05BB0FD| |0DD8F90ABC413935EA8DD85ACD63ACE5F0267893E6EAD89BBA1021A28B87A4D5738| |FFA731C7F166C1C640E81CDC3E07DCA69E035355C42DF6683390DB6CE309360CF30| |3C7C44B94D9CDBF48E63DE83215E5BE82393D7DCC37B6493725B38B7E5379EE5C82| |FE60E731B6CEF63F683AB94DB065F441BD75B23AD039ABB833DEF6476714C8EB728| |B69BF767F72AD6D2BBCE5C636E8091DB6025EDC530EFA1700875CA488BF13B88F1B| |EAA262DCE5A9CB5463D7F4EE9439738EE507A1D4AC2A11C7328437AFE34D3B1843B| |838EA8113D7FAE85A69471BDE0642945FD88592C0C37EC80EDBC3CC244AFA329E65| |5E61C9898675E017FD081D5F839B5289AFC2CD4BAA16DEF6B6EED02FA774E80D151| |3031A8A9D3B8B31FEBD2B6D0477F02069F82ADCA0BB52BECB8C397E20A320D8A3DE| |A53BA1A4F168C3F07F05FBB37BE58A0FF072F8F1850| |-------------------------------------------------------------------|
Which brings me to the other 'potential problem.' You haven't built any defense of note, so you're going to have to be active with your mez attacks to be able to avoid receiving them. Without Dwarf as a breakfree, you'll quickly learn to tag the enemy mezzers fast. If you've ever played a blaster, though, this should be second nature.
I put Dark Detonation back in and used some frankenslotting to get the best enhancement out of those slots. THB doesn't like knockback, and I'm not exactly a fan of it myself, but an attack is an attack, and human form is light on the AoE as it is. That might not be such a bad thing, though. Low AoE means you spread out your Stygian Circle food a bit more. Eh, I'm unconvinced, but it was the best thing I could have put in that slot.
Overall I think it's still a solid build. Perma everything.
Oh, here's another idea. Drop the Dark Detonation for lol Shadow Slip, and spread the slots out for a few melee defense bonuses.
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Quote:Just want to say I agree with everything Leo said, and particularly the quoted bit here.Originally Posted by Leo_G
However again, if the new changes to Stalkers really make AS into a fast animating ST attack when unhidden, Spines will probably get the most from that change.
My latest stalker is a Spines/DA and I certainly feel like I'm doing a great deal more AoE damage than my old Elec/EA did, even with Lightning Rod.
I am very pleased with the changes coming down the line, mostly because, as Leo says, Spines will see a great benefit to getting another viable ST attack. -
Quote:My guess?Originally Posted by Dz131
why would you add DP in the toggles calculations
The power isn't actually a heal due to its recharge and duration. The power is much more akin to a toggle, and in truth its effects on survivability are best analyzed as another layer of resistance.
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Quote:You and me? Same page. Totally same page.Originally Posted by MrLiberty
Don't get me wrong, I have plenty of S/L softcapped toons and I know even with everything a WS has, more mitigation is more mitigation, but it seems like a waste. You have hard capped Res to all damage types, a perma mag 2 stun to handle pretty much all minion damage. A Mag 3 stun on a 12 second recharge to effectively stun even bosses when stacked with the mag 2 aura. If the controls and hard capped damage res wasn't enough, you have a massive heal up every 8 seconds, that with just a few bodies will take you from 1 hp to full.
Softcap is awesome. It's just not a necessity.
Then again, I'm the one running a completely non-recommended Tri-Form Warshade build. I also have an unhealthy obsession with challenging myself to die before Stygian Return recharges. -
Quote:Me.Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
I can't help but wonder about this: if a major hero dies, especially one who was pretty much the only reason (not entirely founded but still his reason) Lord Recluse didn't just declare war on America, and even moreso now that the rogue Isles have Warburg back, what's going to cripple Arachnos from launching an all-out invasion assault?
I already kicked States' butt and Recluse's. Neither one wants to piss me off, so they'll keep sitting pretty offering their task forces if they know what's good for them. -
Quote:Does it happen with my hands around his neck?Originally Posted by Zwillinger
And trust me, his death scene is pretty stirring.
Because that would be pretty damn stirring to me. Satisfying too. -
Quote:Why?Originally Posted by New Dawn
So in summary what I am saying that over the 50 levels, the serious problems for different types of Tankers should appear at roughly the same time when there are powers that Tankers could take to actually overcome the problem for themselves.
I see no reason that different tanks cannot experience different problems at different parts of the leveling process. None of these problems are crippling solo, and all of them can be solved by team support.
You have yet to define a problem, only a dislike. -
Why?
Why!?
KILLING HIM WAS GOING TO BE MY JOB!
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Quote:The dog was a new model, this was not. It kind of justifies the price difference.Originally Posted by Benchpresser
ok.. the Dog was 500 points but this is only 160?????? Paragon needs to start selling whatever drugs the marketing drones are on- they would make a killing in the recreational pharmacuetical market...
Seriousdly.. this pisses me off even more about that damn dog..
Also, the dog backlash has probably reduced the price of all future vanity pets. -
Update on my scrapper:
Level 31 and I feel like he's really getting solid. All on common IOs for now, with the exception of theft of essence and a KB proc.
Happily soloing on x4, learning to use my inspirations all over again. Ran through the first three parts of the SSA last night and the longbow gave me a little trouble. I only run three toggles for now. Mez, S/L, and Death Shroud. -
Quote:Not sure if you noticed, but I did offer the build on my blog. It's just a Dark/Fire, but it's a template to start with for sure. Let me get you a link. At the time it was built on 300 million.Originally Posted by mauk2
Thank you, good sir!
I found two builds: Not terribly happy with how expensive they are, but ehn, that's a personal problem.
I've thrown more than this at my Stone Tanker and I'm still not pleased with it either, so maybe I'll try one of these out.
If these are not the builds you meant, I'll look some more, although they are admittedly hellacious nice builds. I've never seen a toon with 123 end before. -
Quote:50% end slotting brings the cost down to 22.5 Endurance.Originally Posted by Granite Agent
If you slot Theft of Essence into DA's heal (which is up like every 9 seconds), how many mobs does it need to net you a meaningful amount of endurance?
The Proc is 20% chance for 10% endurance (which can actually be 12 endurance if your end bar has a max of 120, for instance) but for simplicity, let's just say 10.
To get more than 22.5 endurance back, you'd need to proc off of three targets.
Crap, I forget my statistics. Let me edit this later. -
Ok, now that I'm not posting from my phone, I can give this post the attention it deserves.
Quote:Depends on the situation. Maybe you'll need two.Originally Posted by New Dawn
You think a yellow is going to always solve the situation?
Ok, so there's one mission where every enemy drops your tohit. Either back the difficulty down to something more "standard" or get through it with a team. Or you could pack a whole tray of yellows.Quote:Originally Posted by New Dawn
Really when I say kill your tohit I mean enough where it takes more than one yellow in a single group and then you could have all those other groups to get through.
My Dark/Fire doesn't even have Build Up. And besides, build up is only as strong as a medium yellow in terms of tohit.Quote:Originally Posted by New Dawn
You might be alright being Dark/Fire with Build Up which I have already said would be okay but go make another type and come do this mission.
Oh ok, so it's a midgame situation where you're on +0/x1. Use a freaking yellow inspiration, it's what I do. I've played against CoT ghosts and Sorcerers with Hurricane, I know it's not that big of a deal.Quote:Originally Posted by New Dawn
this is a potential midgame issue when most people are on SOs. Atleast I play each set to spot the differences.
What midgame mission is this that you have problems getting through on +0/x1?Quote:Originally Posted by New Dawn
What I am going to do now is go in game and see how many yellows per group I need to pop to be as good as a Fire/Fire tank at the same mish. -
Quote:I freely admit the end cost is high. But that doesn't make it a weakness, and certainly not something that needs adjusted.Originally Posted by JayboH
Exactly. At least admit there is a weakness when it comes to end burn using SOs - but he won't even go that far.
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Ok, so you just don't understand. You cannot buff the resists of an already strong set. Demonstrate why the end use is to high, then suggest changes. Show your work. Polls and feelings don't count.
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The thing is, I'm not trying to argue against buffs. I'm just asking Jay to back up his argument for once. If DA needs the buffs, it has yet to be demonstrated why.
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Quote:Forget IOs. Arcana's analysis puts it above invuln on SOs.Originally Posted by Siolfir
IO Armor is a top performer. Dark Armor is about average. Do I think it needs buffs? Nah.
Besides, the set is supposed to be average. They all are; it's balance. What Jay and the others don't understand is that they are asking for buffs to a set that has been demonstrated to be in no need of buffs. Any change to the game requires mathematical proof that the chamge should be considered. -
Quote:Oh, sure. I'm not asking for buffs to a set that is already proven to be a top performer, so I must be trolling. Come on, Jay. I know you're not stupid.Originally Posted by JayboH
Yeah, I agree guys, I wonder if at this point if Dechs and his magical math with 1 to 1 comparisons is borderline trolling or not. I can't tell if he just doesn't get it or is actually incapable of looking at a set as a whole.
The rarity of requiring the use of DR vs other armor's heals are also in question, balanced against the typical mitigation scenario.
If you honestly think DA needs buffs, then do the math to demonstrate that it needs the buffs. -
Dz, it takes three enemies to heal to full with no slotting at all. It's base heal is still better than everything else, especially in terms of heal/second.
And I say ten enemies because my builds fight nothing less than x8. -
My blog has my DA/Fire tank posted that you could use as a template.
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Quote:Again, in order:Originally Posted by Dz131
Not even close. Just that fact that "it can fail" is built into the power makes it not the best.
uh no. stop talking like your 20% to gain end is guarrenteed.
You can argue that about basically any heal like as DP. The fact is most of the time healing 100% of your HP is 50% overkill
I can't argue your opinion, but in every quantifiable way, DR performs better than any other self heal.
My 20% to gain endurance is per target. With 10 enemies, DR gives back more end than it costs on average.
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Quote:I've seen it too, and when it's a problem, I kite two groups together.Originally Posted by Siolfir
I've had /x0 (x1) spawns that had single Lts or 1 minion + 1 Lt. You can't unilaterally say that Dark Regeneration is a better heal per endurance spent than other heals "because there will be 3 things to hit". It may be that way when you're surrounded and you can adjust difficulty to address this, but I can assure you that there are times in the game when you're fighting single targets and need a heal.
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Really? With decent slotting you get a full bar heal every 20 seconds. When you add IOs, it can be as often as every 10 seconds or less, and even give you more endurance than it costs. Simply said, it's the best heal in the game. The end cost for such a power is easily justified.