Dechs Kaison

It's abacus.

Yes, it is about the player. That same player on the other AT will do better.

I only corrected spelling. I did not add the apostrophe in for you.

Let me spell it out for you, then.

I said surviving more reliably. A scrapper has higher base hit points, which means several things. First, and most obviously, they must take more damage to die. Second, green inspirations, self heals, and regeneration have more of an effect on scrappers. Simply put, in the same scenario, it is more likely that the stalker will die than it is the scrapper will. I don't care if "Surviving isnt that hard" (spelling corrected), your stalker would have a higher survival rate if it were a scrapper.

There is no AT specific thing with Mitos that makes their HP change. There is, however, an AT specific thing that makes a scrapper do more damage to Mitos than your stalker. It's called a damage modifier. Not only is a scrapper's build up better than a stalkers, damage buffs (including the red inspirations you mentioned) do more for a scrapper than they do for a stalker. There is a higher base number on the scrapper, so the buff makes a bigger number to begin with even bigger by a bigger amount. The more buffs you add to the situation, the further the scrapper pulls ahead of a stalker.

By being able to survive more reliably and do more damage with each 1-2 shot, meaning more 1 shots and less 2s.

Duh.

I mean whatever your build is, you'd do it better on a scrapper.

*Append my similar rant about APP/PPPs granting other ATs the versatility of a Kheldian without the Kheldians getting something comperable here.*

Ok, if you put the same budget into a scrapper with the same powersets, you could do the same thing even faster and be more survivable doing it.

The potent buffs of the Mutant pack only last a limited time, unlike the proposed change, and it has the chance to turn you into a monkey.

Maybe he didn't slow you down, but a comparable scrapper in his place would have sped things up even more. In fact, almost any other AT would likely have led to a faster TF. A stalker is debatable.

You want someone else do all the work for you? That'll be 750 million influence, my standard rate. For an example of what I can do with a build, see my Dark Armor Sucks video.

Or you could put some effort into it and we'll help you optimize it for free.

Regardless of solo comparison, we should be accounting for self damage buffs and pehaps even assault.

I'm sure at that point we'll see scrappers pull ahead unilaterally again.

Ok. How? I haven't seen any math to say otherwise.

EDIT: Borked my math.

I disagree. Currently, a brute cannot do more damage than the comparable scrapper.

Example: a fire/shield brute is going to do more AoE damage than a BS/WP scrapper. That's not a fair comparison. Apples to apples, a fire/shield to a fire/shield, the scrapper wins.

I have seen some incredible PBs as well. In fact, my first MoSTF was done with a human/dwarf who off-tanked for me. It worked out really well.

But the truth is I'd have been better off with a brute or scrapper in that spot. They survive more and deal more damage, even from range. The brute will hold aggro better than the PB, and the scrapper will too if he's invuln, shield, or WP.

Again, my point has never been that PBs (or stalkers) are not worth the spot on a team. I'm not saying they are incapable of great things. I am saying, though, that anything else is the better option.

To this, I'd have added Peacebringer.*




*This post is full of snark. I do not intend to imply that a Peacebringer or a Stalker cannot participate in a Speedy LGTF. I do, however, maintain they are on par with each other for "least valuable AT for a team."

Hold on, compare apples to apples. With my idea, next to a scrapper, tank, or brute, the stalker will still come out ahead on single target DPS. The whole point of the idea is to give stalkers a reason to trade away their AoE, survivability, and damage when compared to other melee ATs.

Even once force multiplication is on the team, -res and +damage are making those super frequent crits all the more effective.


EDIT TO ADD:

Castle says "They're about as strong as we want to make them" but it doesn't make any sense. Right now you can create a linear chart. The further to the left on this chart is higher survivability, while the further right on the chart is higher offensive capability.

Tankers <> Brutes <> Scrappers

Stalkers don't fit on this chart. They have less survivability than scrappers by a long shot, and they don't have more offensive capability to compensate. That's the problem.

I run a DA tank, but I likely have the same defense values as your Inv tank. The envenom hurts the most, because that's what starts the cascade. Envenom allows me to be hit by everything else, so I start taking damage. Despite weaken, I can still usually heal to full with Dark Regen, but that doesn't really help when Famine has my recharge floored.

What I've found is to use an extra purple inspiration before jumping into the fight as well as activating Geas of the Kind Ones to counteract some of the -recharge (you could use this to ignore the endurance drain). That stops me from dying to the group of three EBs that includes Pestilence. With the group of four, I pop Eye of the Magus and don't worry about a damn thing. Anymore, I only take that kind of precaution on a Master of run; I have Soul Transfer on a reasonably short cooldown.

Curse of Weariness is a is a debuff the Vanguard bosses can hit you with (maybe the LTs too). It's a -50 max endurance debuff, and it's a gorram pain. Nothing resists it, and it lasts an ungodly long amount of time.

I completely agree; stalkers should be the single target DPS kings.

To that end, I still push my idea of the "snowball buff."

The longer a stalker attacks a target, the more damage he should do. Make it so every attack against a target grants that target a 30 second "vulnerability to critical hit" debuff. The debuff is minor, like defiance, but after these debuffs have accumulated for 30 seconds, the stalker begins to dish out criticals at an alarming rate. Imagine this concept wise as the stalker striking key points to cripple his target, becoming more familiar with his target, and learning the best spot to strike his foe as he fights.

It benefits the stalker very little to attack minions and LTs, which is the larger portion of the game, as they die too fast for the debuff to really accumulate. Bosses will see some accumulation, while EBs and AVs suffer the most.

Now the stalker serves a purpose on the team. He is the largest source of damage when it comes to fighting the AV.