CptAdder

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Now I need a fourth attack, I want all of my attacks to be teleport kabooms. The problem with Lightining rod and shield charge is the fact I can't use them as my attack chain. With Spring Attack I only need (crunches numbers) 580% recharge in order to use that and chain induction as my attack chain.

To powerful how? If something has 25% resists and I drop that to -5% resist they take 5% more damage which is laughable, once you take it to 0% your already set since doing 1050 damage is no where near the power boost of taking only 750. The +damage from negative resists is tiny. If the single targets did say -50% to everything then noxious gas adds on another 35% thats -85% which is enough to floor the resists of most everything in the game and those things would much resistant it would be worth... what three reds worth of +damage?

Which while nice is nothing a kinetic can't do FAR better. Further since AV's resist so much the much higher -50%'s are needed since an AV hit with -50% is only deals with an 8% resistance debuff which is nothing. If 5% of the debuff was unresistable we'd have a reason to bring poisons to AV fights since to get -20% resistance debuffs on an AV requires four Rads or sonics.

Congratulations you have the most survivable pet Combo, this is not the Mastermind's who play only Bots/Traps forum, there are 30+ other combinations which don't let you softcap your pets and must either tank for them or deal with the fact they can and will drop often enough. Talk like that makes those of us who play /poison start thinking fondly of making you run ANYTHING as a MM with /poison and trying to keep your pets alive without tanking for them.

MM's damage comes from pets, his protection comes from his pets, every other class(Except Khelds/Defenders) are just as powerful solo as in a group, they get more powerful if someone has buffs but they are not dependent on anything except themselves to achieve full power (Not counting drains here) If I face a group of 3 by myself without any pets I can hold them till the cows come home and debuff them into the ground but I'll have a hard time killing them with only three attacks counting brawl. My damage comes from my pets, my abilities make my pets more powerful.


Example 1
As a player I'm smart enough to get out of a burn patch or move around an stationary AoE power.

My pets are not, since my damage output comes from them and they are happy to burn to death and are not intelligent about getting out of things like caltrops and will run from one patch to another since they run at random. With some enemy groups and the new content patches like that (ACU's are worst for this since it's a slow patch and does excellent damage) my pets are more than happy to burn to death unless I play nursemaid to them. A blaster would simply move and keep firing all the time, with my pets I must move them and give up them attacking for a few seconds thus dropping my dps into the ground as well as hurting my protection.

Example 2
Status Protection, pets don't have (much of)any
Blaster gets sleeped/held/immobilized he uses a break free and he's off and running.
My pets and I get slept/held/immoblized, I pop a break free, fine now to either feed each one of my pets a break free or wait for it to wear off

Example 3
A blaster does not have to turn off his shields in order to attack only the boss. MM's must turn off Bodyguard to get the enemy to focus on a specific enemy then switch it back on with Defense/Follow and hope the agro list will keep them focus on the target you want dead.

Example 4
Blasters don't randomly run forward and give Maurader a hug.. well at least not all of them do.

But damn if my pets will, even the pure ranged versions like Mercs/Robots are only to happy to run into melee, and Stay command? They can only remember commands for a max of about twenty seconds and then goldfish like they forget and do whatever comes into their mind, like hugging Maurader.

Our damage comes from our pets, we support our pets and our teams via our secondaries, anything that makes the AI go insane(Patches) or glaring issues (Inability to give them ANY kind of status protection outside of Charion and it's been an issue for three years now that never been fixed and only recently got fixed if you count having to slot the Status resist Destiny) reduces our damage and our effectiveness.

Blaster Damage, or Scrapper/Tank/whatever class you care to name is not dependent on the strange and mysterious AI coding that MM's put up with.

The hold goes off pretty reliably but numbers says only once. I can get nightstar and Seige puking in a BAF trial if I can keep my commando alive long enough for the % chance to ensure it procts at least once. Don't quote me on this but it seems to check roughly five times during the duration of the power to see if enemies nearby will be held, it's a small chances but it's a 100% for sure 3 second hold.

All Ninja pets have at least a default 7.25% to all defenses
Add in 2x Unique Pet +Defense IO's thats 10% right there
=17.25 Defense
Add in Maneuvers 4%
=21.25 Defense
Add in Dispersion Bubble 11.5%
=32.5% Defense
Add in FF shields for another 18%
=51.5% Defense
That's without a Nerve Core which adds another(On average) .9% to Dispersion bubble, and 1.3% to the individual shields for a total of another 2.1% defense
=53.6% defense not my promised 56 which only applies to the Jonin who have 11.25% not 7.25% not the Genin or Oni. But they end up at 57.8 so that's even better than I promised.

And that's without adding power boost into the mix which is enough to toss out five double strength bubbles which are not 18% but 27%! So you can via power boost get your Genin past 53.6% all the way to 62%

No the footstomp one where it takes 1.5 seconds to animate and hits for over a thousand damage, Seige and Maurader both do it. Nightstar has a 1.0 targeted AoE energy attack that does likewise. Yes things like Nova fist and the "It's GOOOD!" attack as I call it that the giant robots and Seige uses could be dodged since they take three seconds but the AoE's that kill are not exactly large warning attacks.

Then I have misread your point and accept that you are correct on this issue, Robots/Traps does outpreform other sets with SO's only.


Okay that answers the above question since your playing with Robots, do you have other MM sets to have because you do have the ranged friendliest set out there (Which should be Mercs but I digress) and Robots are better behaved since they don't have the issue of running out of all other attacks and being forced to either wait or use brawl, by default they have enough attacks it's not an issue.

It's not an option in the 50's content and trial content in particular the number of one shot PBAoE's means melee pets die and die often. In my Ninja's/Zombies sets I make sure to take hasten due to pet death being much more common than Mercs or Robots/Thugs where I either tend to lose 1 at a time or all of them due to an ambush.

Pets can, do and will ignore the Go-to command, if the command is not far enough away from where they are they simply ignore it

If I have been attacked in the last ten seconds (IE when debuffs are applied) this does not work they spawn in and instantly attack the last thing that hit me. This only works prior to engaging in combat near hostile mob (IE invisible summoning)

Worse it out right does not work with some pets (Robots and Mercs are worst about this due to the number of ranged attacks they have) and will happy blast away even as they follow you.

This works against non DoT attacks, if you've been hit with any kind of dot damage and a debuff (IE most of the Praetorian content) re-summoned pets will charge up to 60 meters in order to engage whatever just hit you.


Really? Over powered? Because they can handle +4/8 content? All of my Brutes can handle that, my Corrupter can handle that, my scrappers (As long as the enemy types mesh well) can easily handle that, hell even my stalkers and controllers can handle that (Some have issues with mob types)

I'd say Bots/Traps is right at the level everyone else reached ten issues ago with the introduction of IO's


I'd disagree with you but then I have (By popular vote) the least useful power in the game /Poison's Poison Trap. Taking as a whole MM's are fine but there are specific groups (Mercs/Ninja's/Zombies) that are not near the same level that Thugs/Demons are or yes Bots.



If you had really run Trial content with an MM I should think you know you spend the trial hitting the stay command every ten seconds because they can and will "forget" to stay out of range no matter what you do
Also "stay out of AoE range" is not an option for Zombies or Ninjas

Again this at odds with your OP comment

A failed BAF or Failed Lamda generate much less rewards than a succeeded one, and the issue will be fixed sooner or later, in the mean time your Thugs help your team succeed or would if you had them, even all purpled out this build is worse than that.

But if your committed then look at some of your powers which you have over slotted for recharge, IE empty clips where slot 6 is a recharge IO which saves you .1 seconds vs a endurance redux which would shave 5 whole points of the endurance cost(Which is 14 at present)

Merc/Poison? or Merc/TA
Wait no that's not awesome, no mitigation aside from holds means constant dead pets, it is a unique combo but not an awesome one

What about
Merc/Force Field?
Wait no that's not awesome, all mitigation means pets are your only damage source and knockdown your only control

What about
Ninja/Pain or Robots Pain?
Wait no, having a defense based pet class with heals is not useful because pets are always one shotted

There's lots of MM combo's that don't stack up because not all the MM combo's mesh well with each other, unlike other AT's you have to make sure your pets stay alive because without them your a damage debuffed defender and there are several MM sets that are very poor at keep your pets alive. Only Thugs and Robots are hassle free pet classes that can be paired with something like Trick Arrow or Poison and look after them selves (And then only with IO support)

It loses hard end game except against fighting AV's which Poison still excels at with the right build. Seriously as you can see from my sig I've managed to turn my Merc/Poison into an AV fighter with 16 points in holds (If I ever get a full gravity set that goes to 18 points) and a total of -105% resistance/Defense buffs with achillies heals and stacked debuffs.

Which is fine but what about the OTHER pet?
That's the kind of info I'm looking for, and fyi only one half the tree produces an unkillable support pet the other gives you two Lt's or a Boss and minon pet.