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I would have prefered that if it has to be nerfed they did it the way mac suggested. By nerfing the actual defense and elusivity, you're kinda taking away from the "theme" of what a force field is supposed to be. In comics a force field basically means "I'm invincible" so making it to where everyone and there mom can hit through it kinda kills the theme of PFF. I'd rather they just leave the def and elusivity as is and up the rech.time. However if it was up to me it would stay as is...but since they are more than likley going to nerf it, I'd rather choose the way mac proposed minus the no phase period, And btw...My build has taken some serious beatings in I13 and now I14...With DR , no stacking holds and now the pff thing....I'm kinda SOL...

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Can't nerf skill, just saying. Try learning more than pff creeping around and hoping your opponent is retarded enough to stand still and die. Try slotting propel for damage. Hard to imagine you play a toon with pff phase and aid self to do much more than be a zone nuicance or heavy farm anyway.

Fly can be good if you have ranged attacks. Teleport is garbage in pvp.

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First off lets get a few things straight...IS PFF nerfed?
No it's not..therfore I owe you nothing



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Elusivity:

Overall we like that Defense Armors are a strong contender in PVP currently, however it appears to be a little on the overpowered side. We've adjusted the amount of elusivity down on melee armors and on Personal Force Field . We are adjusting this carefully since the elusivity bonus is intended to keep Aim, Build-up, or To-Hit bonus from negating defense armors.


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I will be on this weekend, send me a tell when you are ready to pay up the 50 mil.

Thanks mod 08

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Ugh. I just got my BS Inv toon to 50 (my first) went into Recluses Victory, and got stomped like a narc in a biker rally. I found out PvP is all about the sets.

So if the sets make such a difference does it matter what build you have really?

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Yes. And the way you use it matters to.

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You could be like that one guy who took Repulsion Field from Force Mastery, and decided to use it to push my heavy up and outside the map. Then he ran out of end, fell, and I lol'd while I killed him.

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It would only be better if that guy was Tiger Paw.

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defense sets will become useless again

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Defense sets were useless?

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Elude is the problem... They should make elude have the same time limits as Strength of Will and make it unslottable with recharge. Also while in Elude your toggle defense doesent work while in the tier 9 so it wont stack and make the player unkillable.

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Those are some pretty horrible ideas.

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I rather have psi/ addressed before pff.

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both at once will be even better.

2 of them are psy// pff blasters, the other has a very good ice//pff. And if you lose a duel its because you actually came out of pff. And if you can kill a good dueler with a pff/aidself build on a blaster I will call the 50 mil you owe me even.



Also I do believe my record vs you in the arena is 3-0 my advantage, And the combined score in the neighborhood of 30ish to 1 in kills. So when you catch up to me in terms of skill I will worry about you thinking I need to reevaluate my skills. And as to your mad zone skills of pff creeping with singy and heavy in tow, and adding phase and aid self in is not nearly as impressive as you seem to think it is.

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All i know is that since I13 came out it seems everyone has been hitting through the PFF alot easier. Is it just me?...Could be...However I think we all got a little off topic here...I'm not denying PFF's superior protection. All I'm saying is that in terms of PVP...Anyone who pops pff isn't going to dominate the battle field...In terms of "PVP" Elude is by far a greater PVP threat,

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Yes, its just you. And on the pffers won't dominate, you are wrong, again.....

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If you honestly believe PFFers dominate the battle field, then you need to re-evaluate your pvp skills...

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Seeing I know the server you play on, just hit up Dream Crusher or Solo One or Mercury Down. I am pretty sure they can show how under powered toons with pff can be.




And lol @ u telling me to reevaluate my pvp skills.

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BTW, I have killed people in pff. They had almost no health left (the main pff trigger), and went pff. Then I fire off my -regen autohit power, AIM and hope for the best.

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Pretty sure I covered that earlier.


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The only real way to die in pff is hit it really really late and have a really really bad streak catch up to you.


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Yup, I did.




Not sure how anyone can even come up with an argument that pff isn't > anything the way it is now.

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All i know is that since I13 came out it seems everyone has been hitting through the PFF alot easier. Is it just me?...Could be...However I think we all got a little off topic here...I'm not denying PFF's superior protection. All I'm saying is that in terms of PVP...Anyone who pops pff isn't going to dominate the battle field...In terms of "PVP" Elude is by far a greater PVP threat,

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Yes, its just you. And on the pffers won't dominate, you are wrong, again.....

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Doesn't really make sense, since elude is part of SR

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Well Night widow have elude too I don't know if anyone said that yet but that might what the OP mean by Elude.

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Thats what i did mean...sorry for the confusion all...

The reason why I think pff does not have a forced cool down and phase and hibernate do, is because whenever you phase or hibernate...it's a GUARANTEED "I cannot be hurt power" as with pff you can still be hurt and in some instances against certain builds pff can be cut trhough like a hot knife through butter i.e. rad and most well built MM's...and if anyone pops 2 to 3 yellows(which anyone can easily do)...pff is pretty much screwed....so thats why imo pff doesn't share forced cool down and recharges fast.

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You can pop a tray of yellows + aim + bu + fa + tactics + kismet + forge + fort and guess what, you will still have only about +30 tohit. DR guarantees that. I have had many rads tell me they can own me while I have pff up only to be proved wrong time and time again. When they got rid of unresistable debuffs and added dr it really makes pff way better than it was. The only real way to die in pff is hit it really really late and have a really really bad streak catch up to you.




Your lack of comprehension of game mechanics is appalling so all that probably won't help you much. But trust all the people saying pff is way op, because it is.

*hits pff*

First off, elude is sr. They are the same thing. Second, the key diffrences. Elude (or any tier nine defense set) has a very long recharge and comes with an end crash. Sure if you are a zoner the cheap ones don't come out unless the tier 9 is up. Cheesy people will be cheesy, nothing can be done about it. The only real way around this is arena pvp. If you play in zones you will get poeple who want the simplest win/hardest defeat.

Now for pff. Its basically a phase power. No you can not attack but that isn't whats out of balance with other powers. Where as phase and hibernate are set to longer recharges then pff they also get a forced cool down with the no phase period.

If you think a reusable phase like power with a 10 second ish recharge and no no phase period is not op, you are simply fooling yourself.

It was brought up when this issue hit beta that pff was to good and needed something done. In particular combined with aid self it makes a target unkillable unless the player running it goes full retard.


And while most of knew a change was coming I doubt you will get any real details until open beta hits because of the nda.





Oh and one last thing Gravix, in case you forgot, the toon name you pay the 50 million influence to is DPS Machine.

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anyone know the details on the PFF nerf?

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I am pretty sure it means you owe me 50 million inf, but maybe you are a different Gravix.

pff



anything else.

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obvious answer would be an EM stalker or a spines but night widows are very close behind atm.

fyi brutes still have a 700% dmg cap...

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850%?

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Quills is the anti-stalker power and I might drop ripper for phase if you think you can tell me how to fit it :P

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Wow, people still worry about stalkers asing them




Edit: like you should have ever had to worry about them. At least now they can drop you from range and are way more viable threat against a pvper who doesn't stand perfectly still in the middle of a zone.

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defense was never op, if i remember right, pre geas of a kind nerf, let any nub with the accolade hit thru anytype of defense, dont forget pb aim bu. So some type of change was needed but combined with elusivity and the to hitt cap, it makes some classes almost impossible to hit even with cap to hitt. if elusivity was scaled down a bit, it might not be as annoying

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The only time defense was completely lulz was when someone was at the tohit cap (see: /em blasters, veats, and gaes) or when unresistable debuffs were applied(see: defenders). This was the main reason for so many complaints back before forts, heroes had literally the only ways to deal high defense. And on top of that they had the ability to grant insanely high defense. There was a time on villain that you could theoretically start fighting people in zones and never hit. Being a non mind dom and fighting a sr scrapper was nothing more than an exercise in futility unless fon was up.


I am not saying things were broken or needed tweaked, just saying that in the end all they did was traded one broken system for another broken system. To make it worse this system is filled with bugs and there is zero ingame info on how its supposed to work that I am sure there are bugs we don't even now about.

I would try to get confront in there as well.

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this seems much more like a pve guide than a pvp guide.

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What he said.

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I'm not saying shark spam isn't retarded because it is.

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My inner shark is hurt, good sir

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they don't even use the right sound effects.

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Wait a sec, this game has sound?!

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apparently it does, I checked once. And to my disappointment the sharks didn't play the Jaws sounds at all. After that epic fail I probably won't listen to the game sound again.

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Shark song?



Honestly sorry I linked that, but after looking around for shark songs I felt everyone should have to suffer through that like I did.

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I'm not saying shark spam isn't retarded because it is.

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My inner shark is hurt, good sir

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they don't even use the right sound effects.

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Wait a sec, this game has sound?!