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Only because blessing get so pricey. And the pvpos are another expensive kn protection bonus. Seriously though you only need the 41 if you play in arena or on freedom a lot. If you are on a different server you can probably get by with about 10-15 less. And honestly if the zone is slow enough you can get by with even far less. Kb is only a death sentence if ther is enough players or good enough players to close a spike on a kbed target.

This part may actual be said. Lets go through the rest for fun.


While someone may get told their build needs work they won't ever get 'your power selections are crap' when having an even leveled conversation. This includes talking to pvp meanies like myself and barrier who are usually very helpful unless someone starts the smack talking first.




Reroll was a common answer to many questions in old pvp as, but only in high end. Pretty much any zone can be functional for zone play. Also this line as well of several of your post show how completely out of touch with anything remotely pvp related in this game. Just so you know fire control and empathy are two of the top sets. And if you would like I will go through and pull out all the other wrong stuff you have thrown out some time, just ask.


These things are all pretty well covere in any good build and if this 'pve' guy is digging deep enough there will be almost no issues with this.



If it takes you hundreds of hours to get a toon pvpable you are either lazy or a tard. Even with the ssk nerf it takes very little time to get a toon to 50. And as I have posted in this thread already you can make a very viable pvp build for 100 mil or less which is a mere drop in the bucket for a 50.


I doubt this is what people would tell them is fun about pvp with the way the rest of the convo goes. Most nights you can find good action in rv and kb in the arena plus a fair amount of 1v1s if you like. The killing badgers and farming fiteclubbers is merely abonus that goes with the real pvp.



Not very true either. Most of the nicer pvpers and get ready for this that includes black barrier all talk freely and friendly with each other. You have to be a real special person to get them(us) to talk down to you. As for the trash talk and stuff to get you off your game, if you do anything comepetively you know this part of ALL competition. As I said in a thread in the pvp section if they need coddling and hand holding pvp probably is never going to be for them anyways.



I think you either rarely pvp and have just twisted and distorted stories you have heard so much that you know believe this is what every day is like in pvp. Simply put you are wrong. Trash talk seldom goes blue and is actually more kindergarten in nature and pretty friendly ribbing for the most part.



There is also camaraderie and the challenge of something more than bonehead npcs to predictably whack at for hours on end. If you think pvpos are the only draw why was pvp so much stronger before they came into being?


the stuff contained in the {} covers more of your core issues with this than anything else you have posted. Its is truly amazing how you can only see the best on one side and only the worst on the other. Fact of this game at the moment is pvp is in a very down state but those of that are left are incredibly patient and insightful. Especially to anyone who take the time to ask and in particular listen. We aren't out there 'wrekin noubs' and running them off. After many duels and matches there is almost always good back and forth with the newer players explaining how theny can improve and what the can change up. If you think its crazy to repsec for pvp you should have been a pvper for a long and having to respec at least 1-4 toons every patch that changed powers and sometimes even more than that. What pvpers do is not easy, but we do enjoy it that is why we are there. No amount of adding pvpos or any kind of rewards will make people enjoy it, that is where the true problem lies in this game. Its a game created in the pve world for you to always be better than your enemy. A very large portion of people play this game just for that reason, its fun and easy in pve. It is very hard to get someone who likes the game for those reasons to want to move to a harder area with more losing. This is no blame of pvpers or even the devs for that matter. Its just human nature and nothing we will ever change. The only real way they could deal with it is try to draw in entirely new players who seek more competitive game play. As this is an old mmorpg I doubt they would ever consider sinking that amount of investment into it.



let me grab the last one for mac


This game was changed to cater to people who thought the system was a combination of to fast and favored the older players with superior builds. Neither of these were actual true. Sure in old pvp there needed to be some tweaks and changes. So many in fact that the pvpers all got together and made a huge f'n list about it. Instead of those chages we got the i13 pvp. All those changes really did was slow down kill rates, not because of skill or build just by lowering damage and raising resistance. So all they really did was create a bit of an illusion that the bad players were doing better. The farther we get from old pvp and the more people we get who have only played with the new system the more you hear the same kind of complaints about this pvp imbalance wise. So seeing we had a whole system changed to make people happy with pvp who either still don't pvp or are still really bad at it I would say that is pretty much dragging us down.



In closing Another_Fan, I highly recommend you actually go get some pvp experience and interact with actual pvpers before trying to represent as you know all with that area. You have made so many incorrect and biased post in this thread that it boggles my mind.

So true. I think I had one toon total with phase or hiber that wasn't a stalker pre i13. Now every toon I have has one or the other.

I am at work and have more time to reply to this so I thought I would. For startedrs one of your problems is dueling in zones. Always assume you will be interuppted by something or someone if you do that. /arenalist is far to easy to use to even believe this complaint still comes up at all.


On to the point of you losing to a brute on a regin scrapper much less a kat regin means you need to practice more. While i am anti fightclub I can tell you that you should be nigh unkillable with just sos on a kat regin. I am sure you will disagree with that but trust me I am right.


For your red vs blue invis thing it was pretty well covered already but I will throw some stuff on. The stalker at is based on invis and is probably on of the squishest toons in the game. Without them having hide they would have to rework the whole at from the ground up. While it can be frustrating to a novice pvper to deal with they are pretty much nothing once you learn some basics and get more accustomed to pvp. Simple things like movement and knowing when to hit long rooting powers can help make them very little concern.


As far as why you get seen so easily most pvpers, even bad ones, who pvp on regular basis will have +perception in their builds. Once stealth ios came into being tactics or focused accuarcy went from being nice to being required in any serious pvp build. Without it you are literally blind in a zone waiting for your enemy to act first, and in this age of supression that is like a death sentence.



I would like to touch on the thing someone said about needing to completely respec into a non pve friendly build to be sucessful in pvp. This was actually a concern I brought up in i13 beta when the aoe damage powers were dropped. It used to be that a fire em blaster that was pvp speced in i12 would be just as dominant in pve. The common response was that was what dual builds are for. While I was aware of that I personally enjoyed my hybrid builds. That said though you can probably do a dual spec for a pvp build for most toons for incredibly cheap. Two of the most sought out bonuses nowadays are +damage and +hp. You can find these bonuses on the cheap all over the market. Kb ios were once the large threshold because of the price barrier/availabilty but that is no longer the case. If you have even a basic grasp of the market you can put together a decent workable pvp spec for any toon for around 100 mil. In this day and age that is simply not that much. I would even venture to say you would need even less on any server besides freedom because alot of the fine tuned stuff you see like knockback specialist just are not as common on other servers. You do not and never have needed a billion dollar build to compete in pvp.


Man I hate making tl;dr post

try pvping more.

Except you can throw the sonic stun from twice the distance. This makes it easier to set the spike with. By the time the rad blaster is in range for the mez the spike is probably resolved in some manner already.


Had one in beta, didn't take very long to figure out it wasn't doing to crack the top tier builds once they changed the recharge on n bolt. Its secondary effect is pretty worthless in a team setting so then you only need to worry about damage. Psi is better burst from a farther distance. Flares is a beast unto itself. And sonic has a stun and minus res. Rad has nothing to offer over these.




While I am sure you can make a rad blaster alright in team settings, if you are setting up for a serious 8v8 lineup it has no room in the lineup.

I love on the right side of the world sun.

I treat people as they treat me. If a new player or even a vet comes at me being polite and nice I return it to them. I don't care how new a player is, if some chucklehead wants to spew off like a god I will put him in his place. So basically I am saying I don't care how bad I am or was don't expect me to change any time soon.