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I had considered Earth Control, however I decided against it for a few reasons.

1) I already have a bazillion Earth Control Users (I love the set).
2) Animation time of Char vs. Fossilize.
3) The Higher Damage of Fire Control.

I can get past all that, however I just have the urge to build a Fire Control/Cold Domination Controller and I wanted to know if he is going to be able to do what I am building him for.

I was hoping that I would get the agro from the AV because of the higher damage I deal than a single Imp, that way the Imps won't be targeted. I know that's not perfect so I also tried to get the Imp's defense as high as I could (32%ish) so that if they are targeted or get hit by an AoE it stands a good chance to miss.

Edit: I also forgot to mention the Imps will have Frostwork on them as well.

I went for both, do I need more recharge?

I basically got the bare minimum of what I wanted.

• 44% defense to Smashing and Lethal isn't as good as 45%...but I am hoping that won't be a problem.
• 31% Ranged defense is not the 45% that I wanted (In a perfect build ) however other aspects are more important.
• 106% Recharge won't get Heat Loss or Benumb perma, however Hasten is a fraction of a second away and I can do without Heat Loss for 5ish seconds and Benumb for 3ish seconds.

Hot Feet, Frostwork, Arctic Fog (In relation to Resistance), and Tough are under slotted, however the rest of the powers are slotted well enough for my standards. I wish I could get Ring of Fire for soloing GMs (If that's possible with this build) however I don't know what I would drop.

Any suggestions? The ultimate thing that I want to do with this build is to solo the Devouring Earth GMs (Not Stropharia). Is that going to be possible with this build? Is my train of thought on the right tracks? Thanks in advance for any advice!

I have never understood how it shows Nuke powers. I believe you only loose 40 endurance if you use it against one enemy. However since I was not sure I just logged into my Electric Blaster (I haven't been on her in years so I needed to make sure) and used Thunderous Blast. It did indeed drain me of all my endurance.

Huh? Thunderous Blast does completely drain you of your endurance, just like the other nukes with crashes.

Are you sure? I didn't get them from Mystery Gifts, rather opening presents, however I have a stack of Build Snow Beast temporary powers meaning you can get it more than once. Is the Mystery Gift's Build Snow Beast a different power altogether?

Don't they both have an activation time of 1.07 seconds?

That is why I put the * in to show that it doesn't matter if you are literally teamed up, or working as a team. The results are the same.

I don't disagree that teams who target the same target when they attack were penalized, however not all teams (Or people working together that don't have to be literally teamed up) use this tactic.

Perhaps it is a matter of perspective. I usually solo on my damage dealers (I only have a couple) or team up with my support toons (My favorites to play, and I have many). I am not always targeting the targets that my teammates are attacking. I guess I see it more as a tactic, rather than a core offensive benefit.

• Coordinating attacks is something teams can do.
• Not coordinating attacks is something teams can do.
• Coordinating attacks is something people not on a team can do.

My point is that the Spiking, multiple people attacking the same target, was the target of the Anti-Spike code. Spiking is something teams and non teams can do, and things that teams and non teams can choose not to do.

The Anti-Spike code impaired the ability of multiple people attacking the same target.

Examples:

1) On occasion I play my Stalker and a friend of mine plays his Dominator. When he gets on he is usually invited to teams right away, however I like to play without a team. I usually play near him in order to kill targets that attack him. I know how he plays and know when to jump in for an Assassin Strike to help him kill his target (ie. We have the same target). We're not on a team*, however if Anti-Spike Code was in place we would be nerfed.

2) Quite frequently I play my Empath when a friend of mine plays his Blaster. My Empath is /Energy Blast so he cannot provide nearly as much damage as my friends Psi/EM. I keep my friend targeted and from the air I buff and heal him. We're on a team*, however if the Anti-Spike Code was in place we would not be affected.

*Can be replaced by "We're working as a team" and it will mean the same thing.

Alright, I was just wondering because it looked like you were saying that the Anti-Spike code nerfed defense and recharge.


What I meant by that was people shouldn't take:

And change it into:

It had nothing to do with participation level.

The most that we can assume from the anti-spike code is that it was meant to stop spikes. You were not punished for being on a team, however if you all targeted the same person, then the anti-spike code came into play. A Blaster could team with 7 Empaths (All targeting and buffing the Blaster) and the Blaster would not be at a disadvantage. Perhaps a case could be made if you're talking about discouraging team set-ups like a team of 8 Blasters, however they are not at a disadvantage by the specific act of teaming.

Note: I am not saying that I don't believe teaming was discouraged in I13, however we cannot directly infer that from the anti-spike code.

By the way, how was Recharge and Defense nerfed? Are you talking about Diminishing Returns now, because as I recall the Anti-Spike code only nerfed your To-Hit (or was it Accuracy?).

I believe the sticking point will be the way you worded the PvPer's response in the first place.

Very rarely does someone wander into a PvP zone with the best PvP sets, however the current FotM is not needed in order to do well. There are a few sets that won't do as well as the best sets in PvP, however any combination can PvP.

I have been following a thread recently about Meleer's soloing AVs. It basically went like this.

Poster: I want to make a Dual Blades/X Scrapper. I want to be able to do, X, X, and solo AVs with it. Is this possible.

Response: Sure but your fights are going to be long. You will be doing just over the AV's regeneration so be ready for 20-30 minute fights. Scrappers aren't Illusion/Radiation Controllers.

The answer from the PvPer's to the PvEer should have been "You will need to respec your build to optimize yourself for PvP. If you want the 'best-of-the-best' build, make an X/X."

Before it comes up things won't translate exactly from AV soloing to PvPing. While it could be said they are in the same category, AV soloing is basically a can or can't thing whereas PvP can have differing levels of success at different times.

To be honest I wouldn't waste my time making a build if I knew it would take me four months to complete it, however that is not because I am not willing to wait that long to IO him out. In four months PvP could be changed...again...and the who knows what the rules would be like then. The person I am IOing out could be completely useless in the 'new' PvP.

If I had to wait four months (Way over what I would actually have to wait) to IO out my character completely and I knew that the current PvP was here to stay, I think that would be worth it. And all the while I would be playing that character and having fun with it.

Note: I think it should be mentioned that I do not do things in 'all or nothing' fashion. If I know my build is going to cost 500mil I am not going to wait until I have accumulated that 500mil in order to start IOing/playing that character.

What I meant was that these are activities which will not garner you transferable rewards. When I play MArcs I have fun (The ultimate reward) however that fun cannot be used to get a different kind of reward that will get me closer to my PvP Build.

To accumulate money overall, or to get to 50mil per day? I would still be willing to work for 5 minutes a day if I only earned 5mil per day. If I had to work for...30 minutes a day on the market in order to make 50mil per day, I probably would not do it just because I could be doing something I enjoy more that will get me the same, if not better rewards.

In fact that is exactly what I do. When I have more time to play CoH I don't go to the market and 'play' it more, I get on one of the toons I consider fun and do Task Forces to build up Merits to roll for Rare Recipe drops and hope I get lucky. I also enjoy farming 54 bosses, and doing well written MA content. When I do the MA content I don't even care about the rewards, however that's probably because I know I am getting 50mil per day from doing nothing anyway.

I can't speak for anyone else, but if they are anything like me then spending a lot of time at the Market for a small amount of money is not worth it.

I think people should be willing to do some kind of work in order to get the rewards they want. Off the top of my head the things that will not get you rewards are:

Role Playing- You can potentially get rewards from events where you have to role play (Costume contests).

Mission Architect Missions- If you only do missions where you won't get rewards.

Building Bases- If someone else is getting you the prestige you can spend all day editing your base which will only give you the reward of enjoyment...or fame if you show off to other people.

For everything else (Unless I have missed something), you get transferable rewards of some kind that you can use to get other kinds of rewards that you want. Just keep in mind that not everything will get you the same amount of rewards in the same amount of time.

I believe it should be phrased more like "But this is a MMO, that is how MMOs work."

Personally I accept the fact that if I want to have every advantage I can get my hands on, I need to work my way up. The first thing I did was to identify the multiple ways to do that, and then chose the one that I found most enjoyable.

Myself, I like Market PvPing for the plain fact that I am lazy. Making roughly 50mil a day while only having to log on for 5 minutes a day makes me giggle every time I think about it. If you don't find that enjoyable there's always doing things that will give you merits (Note: Not saying speed TFs. Running TFs the regular way grants the same amount of Merits per run.) so that you can directly buy or roll for the enhancements you want. If farming is your thing, racking up the inf (Or drops to sell for inf) can get you your sets as well. In short, there are a variety of choices including many I did not list. If, however, there are no choices that interest you I would recommend trying to come up with suggestions for the developers on how to implement content that you can have fun with while working for the 'gear' you desire.

With 50mil/day income I can easily IO a toon out in no time, however there are a cornucopia of toons that don't even need basic IO slotting to function. My Thugs/TA Mastermind can wipe the floor with nearly any person he comes across in zones and he doesn't even have a full set of SOs! While he doesn't have as much offensive might, my Bots/Pain Mastermind has much higher staying power and can stay alive against the onslaught of most any strong single opponent and a lot of times multiple weak opponents. He doesn't even have any -KB IOs. My DM/Willpower Stalker has 2 sets of Crushing Impact and SOs and still does incredibly well. My point being: Yes 'gear' matters, however it didn't matter enough to me to add IOs (Or more than a couple) to the majority of my characters.

To the Topic...

I agree. I find it much easier to accumulate wealth then buy them. (Usually off my friend who has surprising luck with PvP drops.)

The problem is that the devs need to find an equilibrium to the drop rate which will entice the populace in, while still keeping them 'rare.' At a 1 drop for every 2 kills rate people would swarm the zones to get PvP IOs (Who cares if you suck. If you even get 1 kill there's a 50% chance to get an IO). However at a 1 in 200 drop rate (What it is apparently at now) people, for the most part, won't bother trying. While I believe an equilibrium can be found...that's not exactly one of the devs strong points from my perspective.

I think something that would help is the suggestion about PvP IOs dropping when you're defeated as well as when you score kills. That way even if you're getting the tar beaten out of you, you're still potentially making progress towards a reward.

Me too! I would never skip Build Up type powers, however until I get recharge to the point of having them up every spawn I can never get my self to use it.

Me: "Well Geez I could Build Up + Headsplitter that Boss...but what if I need Build Up for the next group?"

*Next Group*

Me: "I wish I would have used it in the last group since I don't need it in this group...but I might need it in the next group so I should save it."

Doh! Ya what he said!

(I meant to say you need 4 magnitude to overcome their protection, though I explained it incorrectly.)

Bosses have magnitude 4 protection from mezes, generally.

As I recall it also affected the Siren's Call contact for Heroes (That you turned in your bounty to) for the longest time.

Oops, sorry.

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Level 50 Magic Brute
Primary Power Set: Super Strength
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Punch -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(3), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(3), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(5), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), T'Death-Dam%(7)
Level 1: Deflection -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-EndRdx/Rchg(7), LkGmblr-Def(9), LkGmblr-Rchg+(9), GA-3defTpProc(19), GA-ResDam(21)
Level 2: Haymaker -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(11), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(11), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(13), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13)
Level 4: Battle Agility -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-EndRdx/Rchg(15), LkGmblr-Def(15), LkGmblr-Rchg+(17)
Level 6: True Grit -- Numna-Heal/EndRdx(A), Numna-Heal/Rchg(17), Numna-Heal(19), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(21)
Level 8: Knockout Blow -- Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(A), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(23), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(23), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(25), Hectmb-Dam%(25)
Level 10: Active Defense -- HO:Membr(A), HO:Membr(27)
Level 12: Combat Jumping -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(27), Zephyr-ResKB(29), LkGmblr-Rchg+(29)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(31), Zephyr-ResKB(31)
Level 16: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 18: Rage -- GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(31), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(33), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(33), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(33), GSFC-Build%(34)
Level 20: Phalanx Fighting -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 22: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 24: Health -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(34), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(34), Mrcl-Rcvry+(36), RgnTis-Regen+(36)
Level 26: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(36), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(37)
Level 28: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)
Level 30: Tough -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-EndRdx/Rchg(37), Aegis-ResDam(37)
Level 32: Foot Stomp -- Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg(A), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(39), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(40), Armgdn-Dam%(40)
Level 35: Shield Charge -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(40), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(42), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(42), Oblit-%Dam(43)
Level 38: Weave -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(39), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(43), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(43), RedFtn-Def(45), RedFtn-EndRdx(50)
Level 41: Electrifying Fences -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(45), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(45), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(46), Posi-Dam%(46)
Level 44: Ball Lightning -- Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg(A), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(46), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg(48), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx(48), Ragnrk-Knock%(48)
Level 47: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(50), RechRdx-I(50)
Level 49: Grant Cover -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury