Coin

I see Psygon got a pic of Soul train on the US City Scoop!

Nice work, Psy

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Is the RL comic book guy from the simpsons?

sorry but someone had to say it.

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Now go back and read his statement on MA farming, only imagine it in the Comic Book Guy's voice

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Worst. Issue. Ever!

Already in this, great fun it is, although I just lost to Damz, which is unassailably embaressing :S

http://coinestus.mybrute.com

See, what I think is part of the problem here and what's causing all the disagreements, is the lack of definition of the word farming and what's classed as acceptable and unnacceptable.

Here's my opinion, feel free to ignore

Unacceptable farming

Powerlvling 1-50 in 8 hours....sooo not acceptable. I appreciate there are some valid arguments for PL, people with numerous 50's already not wanting to grind back up there again after playing it all, people wanting to get a lvl 50 just for PVP etc. However, it's understandable why the devs are trying to stop this as it leads to people who barely know the game playing it badly (I've been in a pug before with a player with 8 lvl 50s, been playing for a few weeks asking what we meant by pull, hold and enhancing!)

MA Farming maps - Same as above, that's not what the devs intended when MA was concieved and they have stated that, so anyone creating a map, calling it Rikti PL Farm and filling it with nothing but comms officers is clearly something the devs will stamp down on. Again. It could be argued it's not hurting people directly, but it does indirectly, the aforemention n00b 50, the effects it has on the market prices, avaliablity of items in the market etc. This is also something the devs will be working to fix.


Acceptable Farming - Well, there's some debate here, but one that springs to mind is for badges, arguably something the devs themselves have caused by putting them in the game with such ludicrously high numbers, like in the MA or top level healing, inf and damage badges. Serious badge whor....collectors like myself sometimes have to farm a badge, although again, it's a question of how. Using the arena gladiator matches for the heal badge, or resting in missions overnight for the damage badge, these could be classed as acceptable as they don't really harm anyone in the slightest (that I can think of, others may disagree)

The shades of gray come when it's farming specifically for inf or recipes. As people have mentioned earlier, repeatedly playing TF's over and over for recipe drops is technically farming, although it's also the nature of how the game was designed. I would be the first to scream out loud if someone gets banned or characters deleted over something like that, but I don't really think the devs would do it, tbh.

What we need is some clear guidelines from the devs as to exactly what they class as unacceptable farming and what they would class as part of the game. It's like the old argument of powerlevelling vs powergaming. Standing in a mish SK'd to a 47 while they clear map after map might seem fine to some, the devs might disagree. Powergaming, things like a powerful superteam that destroys all in it's path is fine however, tha's using the game mechanics to their full potential. My 3rd 50 was from a hero superteam, I got to 50 in about 70-80 hours on her. For me, that was damn fast (coin took over 700!! damn those badge nights ) but it's nothing compared to the 8 hours and I would imagine the devs have no issue with that either.

Sadly, until the devs tell us specifics, people are going to get angry and grind those teeth, worried that their 50 that did a ocuple of levels by mistake in a MA farm map on a pug might get deleted. I said previously in the thread, I doubt that will happen and I would agree with being angry if it did, I'd feel the same!

So, come on devs....speak up, tell us some specifics and stop the bloodshed that's happening here and the warfare that's happening in the US!

Well, i love it

I like the idea that the arc I spent a full week working on, working out storylines, critters and AVs might actually get a chance to be played now it won't be buried under 500 pages of bloody Rikti Comms Maps!

You know, kind of what the MA was intended for

Now, if we can just get that map editor included as well......

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It's not an exploit!!

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You don't get to decide that.

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Yes I do.

It doesnt break the EULA, Its not an exploit!
Simple

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LOL, this is awesome So much [censored] being spouted by people who have no clue

Srsly, like the Devs are going to perma-ban someone for getting an extra level or 2

It's far more likely they will have a "sliding scale of naughtiness" - lvl 1-50 in 4 hours on one toon, get a warning, do it again and again, you get your character locked or deleted.

Create a mission that's all the same mob that's known for farming once, get a warning and possibly the mission arc locked, do it again and again and get them all locked

Sheesh, it's not like the devs will come in screaming ZOMG THAT'S A FARMING MAP YOU WILL DIE IN HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY FOR THIS *bannage powah* for one mission

Simple concept really, these are the rules of the game, the devs don't want you to do farming/pling to this extent.....so don't do it

You don't like it, leave, makes more room for people who actually like playing the game still

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Maybe we should try this in Atlas Park Flashmob of Music

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Meh, why dance when you can Sing along with a Classic!!

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Cya, Coin, The Handies are gonna miss you and your DJing for evolutionradio. Hope you have fun with whatever you decide to do.

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heh, dude, I haven't DJ'd for Evolution Radio for nearly 2 years now, I really don't think they'll be overly bothered to see me go anyway

Heh, i haven't gone just yet

Like I say, I'm not planning on leaving until I've tried CO and see if it's any better in the live world. It also depends on what Paragon do to hook my attention on this game as a couple of TF's aren't enough to keep mt playing, sad to say.

With the way this game works, it's all about the journey to 50 for me and with no new decent content for so long, and with the devs even saying they won't be working on normal mission arcs as much as they are TF's due to the MA, I can't see much new official content being added, there is nt much reason for me to roll a new toon and head up to 50 again.

Hopefully, Paragon will announce something amazing, something that will make us all go "bloody hell!!" and I'll be the first to put my hands up and admit being wrong, but given the past years track record, I doubt it and fully expect to be playing CO when it goes live.

Who knows, perhaps having low expectations instead of high hopes might mean I feel less disappointed now?

Indeed, well said. I had the chance to talk him, albeit briefly during the X4 event and he was a good man to talk to, always cheerful during what was a stressful event.

Top bloke and the forums will be less for his absence!

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Cancelled over 4 months ago.
The only thing that could make me play again ae 3 simple words. (Not "I love you"...)

The game just lost it's touch... And with MA putting the final nail in the coffin... Ehh.
Their loss really. *smells my money* Mmm... Smells gooood.

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Strange you can still pots if you cancelled your sub 4 months ago ^^

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Unless they paid for a six month sub, in which case they cancelled 4 months ago and have 2 months left

Well, it's looking like the end of the game for many people and I'm expecting to add my name to that list

ATM, the only reason I've stuck with Coh for so long is that I've not any other MMO's that have attracted me enough to pay for them. I've tried WoW (hated it) done trials on other games, like Final Fantasy and Star Wars and they haven't grabbed my attention. Tried some of the Free To Play games, same again, amusing enough but not enough to grab me.

Now, the one that does grab my attention has a release date, Champions Online. I'll be buying it and trying it. There's things in there I'm not overly keen on (lack of unque names for instance) but there's a lot there I like (varied zones, new powers, customizing etc) so I'll play it for the first month of free play. At the moment I'm playing mostly offline stuff thanks to Steam doing bargains for things like the Orange Box (How did I not get Portal earlier?? Thanks Xanthus for the recommendation )and old games like Sims 2.

I'm barely in Paragon recently, tbh. I'm getting very bored of it and there's nothing new coming that attracts me. A couple more TF's that will get done a couple of times on different toons and then it's done.....again. Atm, the only thing keeping me here is the excellent SG I'm in and the fact that I have a regular team night with them. Other than that, i'm very bored.

I love the MA, but Posi's pathetic ciomment about the map editor and farmers is so naff it's scary means it's limited in making the missions I want to do. Plus, with only 3 publishing slotts, 2 of which are done already, there's not much else I can do with it once that last slot is done. Given that the only way atm to get more slots is to get Dev's Choice or HOF and there's so few of them in the literally thousands of missions out there that it's pointles trying for it, I'm not likely to get more space on it any time soon.

Now, unless Champions Online turns out to be absolutely DREADFUL, which I'm doubting, and unless Paragon announce something HUGE for CoH, and I'm talking a proper announcement, not veiled comments about Coming Storm's and COOL new things for Issue 15, unless they start actually LISTENING to their customers and responding properly with actual statements that aren't just more vague Soon comments, I'll be cancelling my subs for CoH as well.

Money is tight enough in the RL at the moment, I can't afford to have multiple subs on the go. I will do what I tell all customer to do and vote with my feet. That seems to be the only thing the makers of CoH understand and is the only way to show them how I feel they might actually take notice of. Given their complete lack of interest in the EU market, I doubt they'll care that much anyway.

I'm gutted, as I love this game so much. It's been here for over 4 years of my life and I've met some wonderful people in it. The Handprints, The Femmes, the Swords, friends Ive met in RL such as Illum, Killer Queen, Ebony, Knightingale, all great people. It wil be a wrench to leave all that behind but given what's happening I suspect that it won't be long before some of them move on anyway.

So, balls in your Court, Paragon Studios. If you want to keep players, give us a reason to stay. ATM, you haven't given us squat but vague comments and veiled promises that never happen.

And that's sad

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Dreamweaver: Dear Posi... is there a chance we could see a custom map builder too, or the ability to place things a bit more exactly - so that we can build our own spectacular maps a la base builder?
P: No, not at the moment, if you think farming is bad now then think of what it will be like when people can make their own maps and place spawns exactly where they want them


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I'm sorry, but that's just a [censored] excuse.

Farming is already bad, it's not going to make that much difference if they can design their own maps for them. All that means is the people who really want to do cool things with MA, the real fans of it, are getting screwed over because of the farmers.

Personally, if I log into a MA arc and see instantly it's a farm arc, I quit straight out of it. You can often spot them from the naff descriptions they have. With better searching available in the next issue that should make it even easier to spot them

Taking away something a LOT of people have asked about since the MA was announced and using farming as the reason for that is just pure laziness and very lame. Yet again, the devs screw over the people who want good stuff.

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I am a paying customer, and am entitled to make my feelings known. If you don't like that then please, feel free to not read my posts.

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Hahaha! Cram it. You don't get to 'make your feelings known' and then complain I'm doing the same thing.

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Where exactly is he complaining about you making your feelings known? All I see is him saying that you are welcome to not read his posts if you don't like them? At no point does he say you can't post?

Well, I'm agreeing with FFM.

I've played this game since launch, I've loved it to bits, I've got at least 4 different people to play the game on my recommendation, including my wife and have always championed (sic) it.

But I'm getting bored to tears with unfulfilled promises and same old same old. CO might not be perfect and I have a couple of issues with it, but unless there is something major coming in I15 that we don't know about, I too will end up leaving.

Where's the new zones? What about the building work in Steel for the past few issues??

What about new powersets? There's more than enough suggestions coming from the players to give the devs ideas. Dual Pistols has been begged for for long enough as an example.

This anniversary event is, well, naff. I'm stood in Unioon Atlas right now, 2 winter lords and eochai just spawned, people are fighting it and I'm bored. I'm so unimpressed. I've fought all of these about a million times. We couldn't even get one new GM? What about the big metal robots from the ITF? We couldn't get something like to excite us?

Very, very lame

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What better way for Cryptic to switch us over to the unofficial CoH 2.0 of Champions Online than by breaking the first version?

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Flawed logic, Cryptic have nothing to do with this game anymore, it's all NC Soft and Paragon Studios now.

Still, Issue 15 looks naff, I'm seriously depressed now

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I'd love it if things I no longer have anything to do with still have my logo on them as branded advertising. Free publicity!

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Oh very true, not sure why the Cryptic logo is still on there, probably some legal reason, but regardless, Cryptic don't make the game anymore so it's not them breaking it, it's Paragon Studios ruining my favourite game

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What better way for Cryptic to switch us over to the unofficial CoH 2.0 of Champions Online than by breaking the first version?

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Flawed logic, Cryptic have nothing to do with this game anymore, it's all NC Soft and Paragon Studios now.

Still, Issue 15 looks naff, I'm seriously depressed now

Well, it must be their birthday, I just saw a banner advert on the Penny Arcade site!

I know it's done via the ad company, but still, nice to see a big advert on a massive site like that one

no doubt it's for the US site, hopefully EU players will at least be told we exist!!

Happy cake day from myself and Rosie, oh icon-obsessed, creatively-magnificent one

Oh, and to stay on topic, we had a new CoH player join us last night1 I think he'd just bought the game on Steam and came in to ask advice about the NC site, which was still behaving badly, so it looks like Steam is helping after all

There's a lot of fragfests goes on over Steam in the community I linked to, it's mostly Left 4 Dead atm, but we did have a quick HL2 deathmatch the other night for old times sakes

And thanks to the Orange Box I'm now enjoying the joys of Portal at last!

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I also think you should go for that T-Shirt contest, Psygon. Your works will be awesome on T-Shirts. Surviving Eight is a good idea, as well as Vindicators... Mynx probably look so good in your style.

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Doesn't stop you entering Psy. Pick your fave moment in game, cutify it and do it as an image, or a t-shirt

Come to think of it, first time fighting Lusca....cutified

And for those who want to join the steam group, it's And for those who want to join the steam group, it's here

be warned though, Tainted Greek is in there

Given that people on the Eu Continent seem to be better at speaking multiple languages that the majority of the people in England, I wonder how bad the French and German community would take it if the english version of the announcements were posted a few hours in advance?

I would imagine most of them would be able to read the English version, so wouldn't worry too much about it.

And yes, I know I'm generalising somewhat, but my experience of friends around the world online is that they usually seem to speak english far better than my english friends do other languages

Erm, it's obvious, isn't?

Guild wars is cheap to buy and free to play, so it's naturally going to appeal to people, especially with the economy as it is. Being free to play is instantly going to make it VERY easy for kids especially to sell it to their parents

Once the core base is there, the word spreads and the user base builds up.

It's very hard to convince mum and dad to pay nearly a tenner a month for a game, you know.....unless mum and dad are also playing it