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There is no getting them in the least amount of time.

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Sure there is.

If I perhaps thought that Caregiver was a great one to start with, I might be interested to know that getting Midnighter next provides the Alchemist Accolade and that then picking up the Mortician will end this path at Archaeologist.

Or I good go Caregiver, then Professor for the Physician Accolade then either Architect for Master Architect Accolade or Intern for Scientist.

Mixed in would be recommendations for which Day Jobs and which Accolades have the optimum benefits for which kinds of characters.

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Still takes 21 days per badge. Can't be faster. The list on the wiki tells you what power comes with what badges/accolades. Pretty easy to figure out which will be most useful for you character.

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21 days per badge, but you can tailor the order to pick up the Accolades faster.
Of course you can look at a list and figure out what you think is useful, but you could say the same thing for almost every guide out there, just read the powers and figure out what will be most useful for your character.

Ya know, if you don't like or need his guide, no one will hold your eyes open and make you read it.

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There is no getting them in the least amount of time.

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Sure there is.

If I perhaps thought that Caregiver was a great one to start with, I might be interested to know that getting Midnighter next provides the Alchemist Accolade and that then picking up the Mortician will end this path at Archaeologist.

Or I good go Caregiver, then Professor for the Physician Accolade then either Architect for Master Architect Accolade or Intern for Scientist.

Mixed in would be recommendations for which Day Jobs and which Accolades have the optimum benefits for which kinds of characters.

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In some cases yes. However, I have witnessed how people talk to other people on these forums. I have seen how they will talk down to people and come off seeming like they think they are better than the person they are replying to.

Whether this is with motive I don't know. I've seen it, I don't like it and therefore the people who act this way I've just decided to quit responding to once its evident that is how they act.

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Hellllloooooo down there.
I am better than you.

Nothing more to report.

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As we know the AE implementation is extremely flawed because it totally negates the rest of the game content. So what to do?


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Err, I'm not the first to point this out, but we don't know that.
I don't know that.

I've enjoyed many aspects of AE and continue to also play the rest of the game content.

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Yeah, right. One person could patrol all of the zones for two sides (Heroes and Villains) and all 11 servers and expect to see every single player online standing in plain sight in those zones. Yeah, they would need a lot more people to police names like that, buddy.


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One person could patrol them, sure. I don't know why you expect or want to see every single player online standing in plain sight in those zones. We don't even vaguely expect that kind of coverage in the real world with real property that can be damaged and real lives that can be lost.

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How can you possibly think that is even in the realm of possibility? Did you not read carefully enough?

You're saying that a single person can be online on every single server on both sides of the game patrolling every single zone constantly 24 hours a day? Sorry, but I don't think you belong in Personnel Management. You would work that one person to death in a week.

And GMs don't play the game, pal. They don't go into missions with players and hang out with them. In order to see name violations they would need every single player character out in the open for them to see. They can't see you if you're in a mission or off in a cave entrance somewhere hidden out of sight in Nerva or Dark Astoria.


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Hey pal, I read carefuly enough, but you don't seem to be thinking clearly enough.
Why do you want someone on every single server in every zone 24 hours a day?
That is not patrolling, that is complete monitoring.

By the way pal, since players can't hide in caves in Astoria for their entire career, GMs woouldn't need to go into those caves looking for them, just PATROL the traffic zones.

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I remember a certain dark defenderr player sending me a tell about reporting me for copyright violation because I made a toon named HALO.

My toon didn't have anything to do with the halo game. My toon's name was Halo, her secret ID was Angela Winger. She was an angelic-themed character. I've never even played the Halo game. I couldn't tell ya the first thing about it...other than I am pretty sure it was a FPS.

So I deleted the toon, but I've NEVER, EVER forgotten that player did that to me, nor have I forgiven them. Forever, in my book, they are jerks. That character was originally a champions character I made back in 1989, way before the Halo game came out.

I might re-make the toon some day...but, heck, it wasn't all that great a champions character to begin with.

But as a rule, I NEVER, EVER report ANYONE for potential copyright infringement. Why? Because it doesn't give me xp or insp or IOs or influence. I have better things to do in-game than inspecting other players toons. I'm not a rat, I don't rat out people.

So, if you have had a toon generiched...believe me...it was NOT me that turned you in...I'm not a rat!

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Why did you delete it? you weren;t breaking rules.

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Seriously. Poor guy got scared into deleting his character.

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That Defender though, he was protecting the game, even defending it.
He should get a badge.

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Yeah, right. One person could patrol all of the zones for two sides (Heroes and Villains) and all 11 servers and expect to see every single player online standing in plain sight in those zones. Yeah, they would need a lot more people to police names like that, buddy.


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One person could patrol them, sure. I don't know why you expect or want to see every single player online standing in plain sight in those zones. We don't even vaguely expect that kind of coverage in the real world with real property that can be damaged and real lives that can be lost.


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You just keep going on like you have. You warn the player of their fault and leave them to continue playing their copyright infringing character.

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Thanks buddy, that was my plan, glad you're ok with that.

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GMs CAN'T find name violations.
GMs are NEVER in game.
It is impossible for GMs to perform this game saving service.

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He never said or even IMPLIED any of those things. That's an impressive pile of straw men you're making there.

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And how will a GM notice the offender unless players petition them?

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It's not like GMs just roam around the game all day and all night, on every server, looking for violations.

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Their choices are to hire more people than they can reasonably afford to actively and constantly police for names or ask us to help them out.

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Somehow I doubt anyone read my post and thought to themselves, "Now there's a new rule, I wonder how it got buried pages deep in a player's discussion?"

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No, but we have been laughing at you.

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I live to entertain.

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Players are dreaming if you think that your petitions are "saving" us from a lawsuit that will shut down the game.

NCSoft has to demonstrate that NCSoft is taking the correct action. Nothing more, nothing less. YOU are not NCSoft, your petitions are not helping anything other than making you feel "part of the team".

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Thank you for offering your *OPINION* on this matter. Hopefully you'll pardon us if we choose to completely disregard it.

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You earn an Obvious Cookie.

Somehow I doubt anyone read my post and thought to themselves, "Now there's a new rule, I wonder how it got buried pages deep in a player's discussion?"

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I threw my strawman at your strawman, it was quite deliberate.

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...except I didn't use any.

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Except you did.

GMs CAN'T find name violations.
GMs are NEVER in game.
It is impossible for GMs to perform this game saving service.

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1) Never denied that. But, we don't know what the number is, and it's unlikely to be a solid number anyway.
2) Sorry, thought you meant who was looking for proof against them doing enough to police...


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1) To listen to several people here, it sounds as if it is clear there are too many and this policing is crucial.
2) We're talking about current actions and current threats. At least I thought we were.


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It is interesting though that it is not fiscally viable to perform this task which is required to save the game.

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Game has to turn a profit.


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If this issue is so important that it is a threat to the game, then clearly, it is a threat to their profit and should be fiscally viable.


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Everyone's gotta level.

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Which takes all of two minutes, tops. So there'd have to be people in every zone constantly checking and rechecking the zone lists to catch violations. How many zones is that on each side? Times how many servers? Do you honestly find it reasonable to expect them to have that many people dedicated solely to that task? Because it couldn't be done by a single GM even on each server zone-hopping.

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Doesn't take more than seconds to decide someone needs to be looked at, so even 2 minutes levelling is plenty of time at watering hole type locations.
I don't know why you imagine there would ever need to be such over kill blanket coverage.
If you really wanted that kind of over-the-top-catch-em-all-in-under-10-seconds approach though, it would be much easier than you describe, take shifts watching the small handful of locations new characters can enter the worlds. Done. No need to mess around with every zone.

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"Hey, you might not be aware, but you can't make clones or ripoffs of "real" comic book characters. As soon as a GM notices you, your name and/or look will be gone"

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And how will a GM notice the offender unless players petition them? It's not like GMs just roam around the game all day and all night, on every server, looking for violations.

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So, there are NO GMs in game, ever?

Is that what you're saying?

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Not at all, but thanks for the strawman attempt. But they're not actively policing for bad names. They can't do that and still be able to handle the petitions and other work they have to do.


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Fight fire with fire.
Fight a strawman with my own strawman.

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That'd work if any were used against you to begin with. You're the only one throwing them out.


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I threw my strawman at your strawman, it was quite deliberate.

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Would you petition someone if they were using excessive cursing in a public channel? What if someone were harassing another player? What if someone was using an exploit to somehow give themselves infinite Influence, or Prestige, or whatever? Would you report that person?

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Yes.
Yes.
Yes.

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Players are dreaming if you think that your petitions are "saving" us from a lawsuit that will shut down the game.

NCSoft has to demonstrate that NCSoft is taking the correct action. Nothing more, nothing less. YOU are not NCSoft, your petitions are not helping anything other than making you feel "part of the team".

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And too many violations left unchecked will undermine that "proof" severely. Their choices are to hire more people than they can reasonably afford to actively and constantly police for names or ask us to help them out.

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How many is "too many"?
Who is currently looking for this "proof"?


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1) Can't say. That'd take the lawyers.
2) Marvel, DC, etc, etc, etc.


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1) So you admit that there could be far fewer than "too many"?
2) Currently??? How often is this proof submitted to Marvel, DC, etc, etc, etc?


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How big of a staff do you even imagine this would take?

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Considering over 100k players making new characters all the time, quite a lot. It's not really fiscally viable to have people whose sole job is to police names.


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100k sounds big. Of course, it doesn't tell us anything about how many characters are being created or what percentage need to be reviewed to consider the job performed.
It is interesting though that it is not fiscally viable to perform this task which is required to save the game.


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One person could cruise the traffic zones of the servers and catch a very high percentage of violations if that is all they were actively doing.

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Considering most players spend most of their time in missions, bulls***.


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Everyone's gotta level.

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"Hey, you might not be aware, but you can't make clones or ripoffs of "real" comic book characters. As soon as a GM notices you, your name and/or look will be gone"

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And how will a GM notice the offender unless players petition them? It's not like GMs just roam around the game all day and all night, on every server, looking for violations.

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So, there are NO GMs in game, ever?

Is that what you're saying?

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No, not at all.

But I don't believe there are many (or possibly any) GMs in the game unless they are actively working on something specific. With the workload that would come from 100-150k players filing bug reports and petitions, I just don't believe the GM team is big enough to just have people roaming around looking for problems.

Even if that were the case, the chances of GMs catching violators would be much, much smaller than than the chances of the playerbase catching them.

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If they are that overworked, and finding bad names is such a low priority, perhaps we could lower their workload and not decide to raise the priority by filing more petitions.

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"Hey, you might not be aware, but you can't make clones or ripoffs of "real" comic book characters. As soon as a GM notices you, your name and/or look will be gone"

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And how will a GM notice the offender unless players petition them? It's not like GMs just roam around the game all day and all night, on every server, looking for violations.

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So, there are NO GMs in game, ever?

Is that what you're saying?

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Not at all, but thanks for the strawman attempt. But they're not actively policing for bad names. They can't do that and still be able to handle the petitions and other work they have to do.


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Fight fire with fire.
Fight a strawman with my own strawman.

They can't and aren't policing for bad names, but somehow that is now your job?

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Players are dreaming if you think that your petitions are "saving" us from a lawsuit that will shut down the game.

NCSoft has to demonstrate that NCSoft is taking the correct action. Nothing more, nothing less. YOU are not NCSoft, your petitions are not helping anything other than making you feel "part of the team".

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And too many violations left unchecked will undermine that "proof" severely. Their choices are to hire more people than they can reasonably afford to actively and constantly police for names or ask us to help them out.

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How many is "too many"?
Who is currently looking for this "proof"?

How big of a staff do you even imagine this would take?
One person could cruise the traffic zones of the servers and catch a very high percentage of violations if that is all they were actively doing.
I'm fascinated that you imagine your policing is integral to propping up this proof.

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"Hey, you might not be aware, but you can't make clones or ripoffs of "real" comic book characters. As soon as a GM notices you, your name and/or look will be gone"

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And how will a GM notice the offender unless players petition them? It's not like GMs just roam around the game all day and all night, on every server, looking for violations.

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So, there are NO GMs in game, ever?

Is that what you're saying?

Players are dreaming if you think that your petitions are "saving" us from a lawsuit that will shut down the game.

NCSoft has to demonstrate that NCSoft is taking the correct action. Nothing more, nothing less. YOU are not NCSoft, your petitions are not helping anything other than making you feel "part of the team".

I'll petition "innappropriate" characters, but you REALLY gotta be over the line to show up on my radar. Copyright infringements I see, such as this Vision are ones I "report" to the player.
"Hey, you might not be aware, but you can't make clones or ripoffs of "real" comic book characters. As soon as a GM notices you, your name and/or look will be gone"

I have only ever gotten 2 types of answers, "I never knew that, thanks, I better try something else" or "Oh, I know, I was just goofing around, this character will deleted soon."

Never once felt as if I was endangering the game by NOT turning them in to the authorites.

From your Cons:
Travel is actually a Pro, you just haven't gotten to it yet. No other game does travel as well as CoH IMHO.
There are Trains, Ships, Portals etc. all over the place for Zone Travel and Flight, Super Jump etc for in Zone travel. I'm confident that your travel concerns will evaporate if you purchase the game.

Contacts can be confusing. I guess this can be true at the beginning, I don't recall having that problem, but a simple shout in the Global channels that are probably closed to you now will quickly get you helpful answers and in a very short span I believe that you'll wonder why you had problems with contacts at all.

Storyline concerns. Well, this is a toss up. If you really enjoy story lines, there are plenty to pay attention to, but they start as you get out of the early levels and zones. Of course, in almost all cases, you can completely ignore the story and kill the bad guys and click the glowies. The story is more often layered on top of the action instead of being intergral to the action. That might bother you, or it might not.

AI and enemy variation might look like an issue in Atlas/Galaxy, but the various level ranges and the various zones are all populated by differing enemy groups. You start as a simple hero and you fight simple enemys. That will change, but it's up to you how much it needs to change to keep you happy.

That's misleading. Every attack will play its animation, but you can be "rooted" in the air.

Also, back to the OP, not every attack requires you to target an enemy.

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3- you can only attack when you stand still and target the enemy? no fighting while you jump for instance?

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Depends.

Some attacks require you to be on the ground.
Some attacks require you to stand still.
Some attacks will fire off even while you are jumping/flying/running etc.

Get to know your set.

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Basically the unspoken conclusion is that Microsoft forces you to have to buy a new machine if you want to have a good experience. Sure that's kind of underhanded, but we are talking about Microsoft here.


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I don't disagree that updated hardware is clearly the better way to go, but it almost sounds as if you're saying Microsoft is somehow also selling you the hardware... I'm not sure where the underhandedness comes in.

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The underhandedness comes in when they release "new" software which basically requires "new" hardware to match. It has long been understood that the hardware and software industries have, at least indirectly, helped to support and drive each other ahead because they clearly need each other to do well.

So while Microsoft might not be selling hardware directly they are more than happy to "encourage" people to have to buy new hardware to run their latest software because if the hardware guys sell more computers they directly end up selling more software.

Using the word "underhanded" was simply a humorous way to describe Microsoft's behind the scenes role in getting us to buy more stuff.

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I can see that. I view it as kind of the same thing as if you want to buy a new CD player for your car, you need to buy a whole new car.

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You think that would somehow drive the sales of those new CD players????

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Basically the unspoken conclusion is that Microsoft forces you to have to buy a new machine if you want to have a good experience. Sure that's kind of underhanded, but we are talking about Microsoft here.


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I don't disagree that updated hardware is clearly the better way to go, but it almost sounds as if you're saying Microsoft is somehow also selling you the hardware... I'm not sure where the underhandedness comes in.

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The underhandedness comes in when they release "new" software which basically requires "new" hardware to match. It has long been understood that the hardware and software industries have, at least indirectly, helped to support and drive each other ahead because they clearly need each other to do well.

So while Microsoft might not be selling hardware directly they are more than happy to "encourage" people to have to buy new hardware to run their latest software because if the hardware guys sell more computers they directly end up selling more software.

Using the word "underhanded" was simply a humorous way to describe Microsoft's behind the scenes role in getting us to buy more stuff.

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The logic there is circular.
Selling Vista requires new hardware, new hardware sales is good for Microsoft because it means new software sales.
So, selling Vista is what causes Vista to be sold, there's a paradox waiting to explode the Universe in there.