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Kinda new to Controllers, but I am looking for a monster build with ill/rad to speed run TF's and solo AV's. PLease help and post builds I would be appreciative
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Quote:Eh I disagree with you saying that regen is second rate and has no survivability. You need recharge and more recharge so that you can have your heals up faster and hasten is a must, you will also need some sets and powers that boost defense, you don't want to get capped but you want a decent amount, for instance on my build I can hit reconstruction every 17 sec and it heals for 700 approx, so I find myself outlasting even Tankers when i'm on teams.Originally Posted by Kractis_Sky
I agree with the thrust of the thread: I'm working on a MA/Regen for standard missioning. No uberbuild, not really interested in set bonuses. Just want to try two sets that I havent worked a lot with. I must say that compared to a lot of other sets, regen is second rate. I understand that there is some planning to be done with attacking, timing big hits, etc., but I consistantly find myself attacking and running to wait for my heals to come up. The whole set is burst mitigation that is overwhelmed with sustained playing. Yes, I have little down time b/w fights; I think I have most of it during the fight. Something to help with heals sould be done.
Some of these ideas could help:
- IH toggle is always welcome
- Add recharge, or other resists, to reconstruction (like toxic) 7.5% - 10% stackable or a flat 20% to resiliance.
- Someone else mentioned make IH actually completely healing first then functioning as usual... ok (doubt it though)
- Scaling resistance or scaling healing or scaling recharges (ya, I know, slippery slope here) to passives so the less health you have the faster the heals come up (not necessarily helping the primary tho).
- activating MoG gives a 100%* recharge rate for its durration.
I dont want to interfere with regens "glass jaw" but if we're not going to layer protection; It needs to able to get back its tools faster.
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Well, the title is what I want answered, I am not focused on actually building one atm, but I would like to know if its possible, and please post the build if it is I like seeing proof.
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Quote:Ok first off they are not outliers, they only affect lethal and melee which narrows down your defense cap to only a certain number of enemies (especially kat/regen), my kat/regen can solo AV's but notice they are only melee AV's, if were to try Diabolique I would get owned fairly quickly. I don't like it when people complain about DA, all they see is Defense buff and flip out, it only affects on Defense type (melee).Originally Posted by MrLiberty
You might get a combo like Kat/Regen that is better at taking on a few S/L based hard targets, but Kat and BS are outliers because of the crazy high defense you get out of Divine avalanche. Size up combos like DB/WP and DB/Regen or Fire/Regen and Fire/WP and the willpower is much much better off at taking on larger spawns without breaking a sweat.
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That would make sense, but what about endu issues and for the recharge do I want it to be up as soon as duration wears off?
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My budget isn't that great right now, I can get him regular IO'd out at level 22, but who know I may have amassed heavy coin by the time he gets to 50. lets say around 2 billion for now it may go up depending on how successful my farm runs are. I know SR is easily softcapped I would assume you would just want more recharge to get your attacks up quicker and some good recovery and self aid is a must.
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I would like some help on a claws/sr build that is soft capped and does some significant DPS.
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Anyone have any AE missions that just put Av's in there for you to kill? (soloable please)
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I think that a really good point is this, why is the Regeneration Power set so click intensive, that doesn't make sense at all, I agree that the regen rate shouldd be crazy for it...........because the powerset is called Regeneration........I don't understand why willpower is the non click intense one, that doesn't make sense. When using your will its doesn't just stay there you are motivated to do something while your doing it........but w/e most of the game doens't make sense but its heroes they don't have too.
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In Response to Iggy and Umbral,
Iggy, by solo I meant I was only one on team (it was an AE mish with a bunch of AV's in it), I must confess I cheated a bit, the mish gave you one person to help, the AV's were on level 53 and they gave you Statesman at level 50, so he helped with dmg dealing (I don't think its possible to actually solo Recluse), but I tanked him and helped with the damage.
Umbral, as its your build you deserve more than a little credit you deserve all of it in fact, thank you very much, I just thanked Werne for pointing me to your build. Also I'm on Freedom if any plays there or just wants to talk (@Paxidikae), Pax (my kat/regen) is extremely fun to play now thanks to Umbral, i'm currently working on a ss/wp tanker (haven't really tried Tankers), and as far as straight up Defense capabilities I believe that WP is better than regen, especially if you don't have a power like Divine Avalanche to boost your Defense. But I still find myself in huge trouble on my tanker when I do get hit and go down in health (but that may be because I'm on level 23). -
Ok thats what I meant, should I click when its up or use as a heal
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The build that I have is an AV solo'r, and my reconstruction is up every 17 sec based on that should I perma, or play conservatively with it?
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Should I be using Dull Pain as perma power, or as utility?
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Be that as it may Werne, I must thank Umbral as well. But you are the one who showed it to me, and I just added Recluse to my list (not STF, I don't thinks thats possible for a kat/regen)
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I think its a matter of play style, I like Regen because I like being active with my toon, my WP scrapper is also fun, but when he gets hit he has trouble taking damage when he DOES get hit. My regen (kat/regen) is much better at outlasting people because if I do get in trouble I pop my heal (620 hp) and i'm good for another 17 sec when Reconstruction is back up.
BTW Werne.......I don't know who you are, but in short I love you for posting that Val Battlemaster build for me......I just got it complete and so far have solo'd Tyrant, Romulus, Marauder, and Requeim. (in a team of two we were able to take down Diabolique with me tanking). Thank you so much! -
I can see this thread has gotten some attention, however, I stand by my opinion that Regen is the best. Keep in mind that my regen guy is kat/regen, but It does't have to click intensive for example, just put your two heal powers (reconstruction and Dull pain on alt 1,2 or 3 keys and u should be fine). and on top of that I think that regen lasts longer, you can have MoG up and pop Instant healing and completely refill health by the time MoG wears off.
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Well to offer my input, ivuln can solo AV's, it is just going to be very hard for you to get it capped. Mind this build is a tanker build (don't have invuln scrapper), but it should give you a general idea on what you should do to get him capped.
Code:The only defense that isn't capped is Psi, and this build is meant to tank AV's (being tanker I don't have raw DPS to actually kill them), but this build can stand toe to toe with AV's (the one exception being Recluse of course). One more thing to note is that Dull Pain in this build should be used as a n oh **** button.| Copy & Paste this data into Mids' Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;1415;712;1424;HEX;| |78DA9D93DB4E1351148677DBA9B5ED94164A3983E54C410AF5907848F4422029012| |DB472A59252B7D058A7D82946EE7C00AFBCF10A11E3F90D8C8FA1319E5E407D88BA| |D6FA374DD43B27EDFFEDD9B3E65F6BEDD97BF9FE9CADD4838BCA635FAA145D77BD5| |0746EEB5A205F2A6BA7A463F9627DA7E6E85A7262A1EC142BA980526A0031EB73FA| |96765C9DCE3AF7762A1453DC2857CAF5DD6EF3785957B44ECFD383CD5DDCB4669D2| |D5DD34E3D7D3808E7AAD54A7AA152DEDCAA4730E661D9D9B4CD5DDDD1AE1B929BFC| |B6D637E3F3DBE552D3B5E8D6756DB78B8A4AD1FF4390C4437FD5B0D42C0D32CA9B0| |14E0852A70493A7054743CA5C0DFAD1A53E928107067ECF0A0DC695B52AB1565E70| |A4005C1524D70421F2F1C1C7E7CB118694BD22685905F282202D9EDFB8FB6328A11| |D48C0E8AB57F04D607F177CA29A02A6A9009AEA4253493435699A3A290853314114| |E30F3AE23052158C6F037705A91AE00A3C545AD82C455896C2473311A455914E1AF| |42B9BACA3C63AFAC3CB53B19FC02F41DB1DC5666D8EA0A32AF84CD5B4CAA236BCAD| |E8BA035D77A16B8B32C591C91B47403B02DA1110A68004F27A1358A2412CD12096C| |84F019DA6D6CE61C9FA85B2761BD36E98F6C0B407A62DD44CAF69A6F7B9D8F4BD00| |5E0A065E01AF8137820065EA37B6FD176455A6B117322BF8921470CC041C7B24EF2| |41FA3D6A414160DF15640DEA1AC6287E145604976C9F0B260E432704510A3B746F1| |96358A2D36862D36862D36862D365E10ECD3769C309F73624AF21ED0D494C93BB52| |753C79F00FBC053C1F401F04CF036A2541AEDF8D26874068DCE2C4AF73359392543| |D4F6AC697B1609337FA0CFFAFBAC2DFD3393B3CCE9A5198FCCA4ACE6816E0463CD5| |3F6BFD73BFB30657095CF7E8125C7B2C6728DE53ACB0D9622CB064B89A5F1BEF976| |F40CD77596E51CCB799604D5A71E7264804F5298C56689B0B4B04459622C71961E9| |63D96C66FE53AFEDB| |-------------------------------------------------------------------|
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That is true, however Regen has more than just heals for example check out this build (courtesy of Umbral)
Code:Also mid that the Totals are without Instant Healing on or MoG, you can check them oout when they are on too, with MoG on and that crazy recharge rate you become capped in every type of Defense except for Psionics, Melee, Ranged and AoE.| Copy & Paste this data into Mids' Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;1406;718;1436;HEX;| |78DA9D935B4F134114C767BB5B6A614B5B4A29B7425BC0520A0B441E04BC240A28D| |06A03840705EADA8E6523D9366D1FE0CD0FE02D68E2936F8AFA118C4F7E0DF59BA0| |AEE7B26D627C73D3FE7FB333FF33E7CCEC4CFE784517E2C975A174DF3C321B8DE27| |6A96ED66AB2EECD9B15ABE42F98C756D97A6C4A9F1022DA1A2CE6E59194C6A6D934| |6D33DEEE5D918FA4DD90C696AC485BD6CDA655B5C3EBF6A1AC4BBB69B41A7AA15A3| |D3272D2AC5976A5935EB66B529603D45CB32A874D1808B65C65596F1C5AB5F06ACD| |2A1937AAE59362DE6C3465FDA41F2ACAC0FF1996468FE315698F10F3C233C9C810B| |4294696D0F11510112B18A5509410E30247567D6E8F703465135A0BA2234FB87087| |7197D05920AC815DE5193CEA1B0F8D9C12F404CDD707062F1B146F9462F45EC24B1| |8F1512EC7EB7B20B0ABDB649408A13243127A38F81644F9793ECD9FA3AE1EAEAF97| |EBEBE5FAFAB8BEE760EF72F7A5EB9C0AEBFB49E8FFC5F84D1874184245C4202AC05| |19EC0371A19FECEF841B80D862057A106AF41232E4678FF46922A214138055FD84D| |1FE6F4094E9FE0F4094E9FE4F4494E9F82A888BBA9912C4D9B648C31143044795A1| |175E0112AF4C4DC90D8255AFAD802638EF00A0C036E250345405A8C1F30F60917F7| |18F719F7081B1035E46EC410E74EFF050D0C71376F9CBF509A3F6F2644780D8651F| |73C8D2ED2E11B5F2264961957085357092FC09E725796E21439E89AE02E7582534C| |85196C9861ECC0DE4D7229DEC977B49F33EF09B36784F90F8C8F8C4F8433F8CE59F| |73C65F9004FF3019EDE50700BA67729D70C1FE7301463B8EB35B898595EEF2CAF77| |1D0C73EE959A8BD1C918D6DA77137EF8B572FFF414B4F6B5130AF58C6AEDBBE9F84| |3E4146CFEAFE7B3DE9ACEBFD509BA8352005176B1B587B28FAF07D832B1F510A584| |AFCE17BD5570F032D6B588B284B28C1285FAC45374FAF0B275A1E82801946E94204| |A0825823288F216C5F90335E8FADF| |-------------------------------------------------------------------|
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Ok i'm making this thread, because this is a debate that goes on in game and on forums throughout various threads. For a scrapper, WP or Regen, please feel free to post builds and do the incredibly nerdy art of number crunching (not an insult I do it
). As for my opinion I think that Regen offers more survivability simply because of the presence of heals. However I also have a WP scrapper and I think that the Rise to the Challenge power is awesome, but WP lacks any heals if you get in trouble (which is ALWAYS a possibility). I would also like peoples opinion on the best melee pair for these two secondary's. My conclusion Regen has better survivability while WP has a great "all around" approach. Have fun and keep it clean please (No insults to a person's build, constructive criticism is welcome)
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Just out of curiosity what would be the price projection on the Umbral biuld?
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Thank you very much for the information, however, I would like to ask if you are a PvP toon, I assume that you are since reconstruction is 5 slotted with Pancea, I am not that interested in building IO's that only work in PvP, to me the set IO's hold more merit because they are good in any situation if slotted correctly. Anything else that you would recommend that I slot reconstruction with?
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I just found something that made it stretch to 766% (I switched the two makos bites set io's out of gamblers cut and replaced them with two pounding slugfest set io's)
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Hey, everyone my name is Paxidikae (@Paxidikae if ya want to contact me in game). Anyway this is my first level 50 who I play regularly, and i'm looking to crunch some numbers out with his build. I have a purposed build that I think is pretty darn good, but I would like feedback, what I went for in this build was a insanely large amount of regen (its at 758%) in this build, in my actual in game build its about 500%. I would really like some feedback, or someone to outright tell me I should do something different, I am a devote kat/regen scrapper and I am looking to max out regen and dmg so that I have higher chance for soloing Av's and the like.
Here is the purposed build
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