CaptainFoamerang

I tend to consider the term "carrying a movie" to refer to an actor possessing enough presence and acting ability to convincingly pull off the lead role. I also find defining that phrase based on box office performance is faulty, since audiences are so fickle.

In this particular instance, the Apes franchise and CGI will be the major drawing points no matter who's in the lead role.

James Franco can't carry a movie? Tell that to this year's Oscars.

The categorization (Bronze, Modern, etc) of the timespan of everything after the Silver Age is always up for debate, as is the end of it. I tend to consider everything from Barry Allen's appearance to his death (Crisis on Infinite Earths) "Silver Age."

Yes there are things such as emoticons and I use them to my liking. o.O

And it's just kind of a funny that you've washed your hands of this thread a few times yet feel the need to come back and mount a case against the film that appears to be based entirely on the thoughts and reactions of others over and over again.

It's certainly devolved into less of a discussion and more of a circle-jerk of this film's decriers, and I was happy just to let this thread be, so long as I pointed that out.

See, I'm not all too interested in taking it upon myself to throw the full weight of my ego behind upholding one of the extreme sides of the debate over the quality of this film, because I think there's better uses for my time. This is obviously where we differ.

Oh it's not a personal favorite. Although I haven't seen the owl movie yet, this is my least favorite Snyder film. I've already said it has its flaws as a result of the risks and experiments Snyder included, but it certainly doesn't merit all the doom-crying.

Cheap but occasionally entertaining. It's just so ******* adorable when folks put so much time and energy into ripping something on the Internet. Particularly when they make out their position to be the last vestige of reason and taste when they come upon the merest suggestion that someone else enjoyed the thing they didn't.

See?

And even then the folks who take the financial success as an indicator of public reception and quality right now can just switch their position to "making money doesn't make it good" later.

This will definitely be one of the films that folks consider must-haves for their Blu-Ray collections.

Well I think there's a good start on that new take/look by having Snyder as the director and experienced comic folk handling the writing. I really hope they draw from the takes on Zod where he was Jor-El's friend and simply has a different take on what a Kryptonian's role on Earth is rather than the emotionless tyrant.

That's an interesting idea. I hadn't heard they're using Birthright as a template, so that's good news. It was the first story that really made me see what Clark saw in Lois Lane, and I think that's important for the films going ahead.

The creative team might get flack for using Luthor as the main villain yet again, but if they draw from the comics and animated universe, they could silence all critics. We have to see who they cast as Luthor, though.

Cuz Smallville has too much creative baggage.

It wasn't really done, though. I mean they took a weird approach to it with Superman 2 by having Superman give up his powers for like over half of the movie while the world went to ****. Like the Fortress of Solitude doesn't have a TV to let him know that a few aliens came to town and made the president their *****. There was never really a time when Zod had anything appealing to say to Superman about his heritage or his relationship with his father. And you still had the campiness of Luthor's hench-folk and the stupidity of either the mindwipe kiss or Superman reversing time . . . again.

There's a lot of things different that they can do with this. And at least with Zod they don't have to go into how he got his powers or expend a lot of money on CGI merely for his physical apperance.

Heh, it was just the way I was outlining my trilogy when I started a Superman script.

It was Brainiac in the first film as the villain, with the movie drawing on Johns' Brainiac arc through the climax, except Superman would have to choose between restoring a shrunken Metropolis and a shrunken Kandor. He would chose the former and when Zod, who would show up later in the franchise, would then be motivated by what he saw as a betrayal against his people. The second movie would have Luthor starting his campaign for presidency and Lex would work in the background against Superman while the physical threat (most likely Metallo) took on Supes head to head. I was thinking of drawing on what was done in the animated series with the police officer who became enhanced through a suit and blend that with Metallo's background so we'd have someone who was convinced by Luthor that Superman was a threat. The third movie would have elements of the Apokolips Now episodes from Superman:TAS and include Darkseid as the villain. Using this storyline as a basis would also make use of an expanded supporting cast that went beyond the Daily Planet to include folks like Dr. Emil Hamilton, Maggie Sawyer, and Dan Turpin.

What I would have liked to see is Brainiac in the first film, Metallo or Zod in the second, and Darkseid in the third, with Luthor maintaining a presence throughout.