Blue_Centurion

Speak for yourself bub. I find that even if I could tank a thousand mobs on a tank it would not be worth it. Because they do squat damage. I do not run arch types that do squat damage.

the exception: farming. Sure, build a tank with a damage aura, set your AoE on auto, pull a thousand, go watch TV. Wait a minute, still not running the toon. Okay, not an exception. Interesting possibility though.

But yeah, Big guysdo big damage. Stretch the animation, lower the to hit chance, anything, but make the damn hits count. Nothing so stupid as watching the biggest guy on the team smack a Boss as hard as he can and nothing happen to the Boss's heath. Oh yeah, the boss attacks the tank. Probably cause he could hear the tank lisp gently "Dont you wanna play with me big boy'

Okay, my SS/Fire armor/Mu lightning is only SO'd. Remember, the goal is to earn cash, not burn cash. I would never ever take this guy on 99% of content outside AE, and especially not TV arc. The only motivation I see to even farm that is for purples, and i would use my main for that. My main, however, is not nearly as good at AoE as my farmer.

Get a mission where people are using fire attacks, but not fire armor in AE. I have a few I run. I did not write them. They are everywhere.

set it to +2/x8. It usually takes me 3 minutes or less to reach ticket cap. So, just run it multiple times. Use tickets for reward rolls. Get cash, farm, boring but easy.

If you want to farm the big TV maps, the best I have ever seen at it is a Fire/Psi dom, (perma, of course)

an elegant solution. My solution was more, "just make it a level playing field, ie you nerfed tankers taunt, so give back damage" But your solution would make aTanker very attractive to team play, which is obviously the role envisioned originally.

And this guy found that post. Anyways, the only freaking reason he can take 2 groups alphas is because he is at full cap. NO ONE IS HITTING HIM. As soon as they start to he will have cascading failure. In other words, a minute into the fight he will be at neg defense. Sure, after pulling 2 large groups simultaneously he is fine, his defenses are still up. that will go away like water running downhill, at a ever increasing angle.

My plan for the situation is to kill the stuff, and simultaneously deal with the incoming damage by constantly healing, which my toon is very well built to do. And does it when he farms debuffers at +0/x8 solo. After a minute, after 2 minutes, after 3 minutes, never stopping, Fury filled destruction.

But, as in my previous post, I reiterate it is very very wise to get S/L softcapped.

Heh, this makes me laugh. I just explained (possibly slightly incorrectly) in another post that I thought it was more or less useless to softcap def against Paragon police ascended. But it was for a very particular build and I had a very specific tactic worked out for dealing with them. So I made the judgement call on that toon.

I say all of this, because from my understanding of play it is very very wise to softcap smash/lethal defense. jeez, especially on a Fire armor Brute. fire brutes have a notoriously squishy feel. If I had to puit a number on it, I would say that 50% or more of the time you would feel Tanky all of a sudden. will not work against everything, high level play has a lot of mean crap that does odd stuff. Still, to be able to walk through 50% of stuff like a tank while doing Fury filled Brute damage is good.

i'll look at that Krom, although we are not getting extra enhancer slots, so more juggling is required.

Okay, he is in the Brute forum, asking for advice on what Brute to make. Its an interesting question, but still, lets just assume he has decided on a Brute.

You think Invulnerability is overrated. Cool. I am not going to contest the Psi thing, we all know Invul is not good versus Psi. I have run a few Invul brutes, including my current main. I tanked the LRSF, with very little help from my team. (They were busy killing one hero while I teased POSI away, held him off for 3 minutes, not using unstoppable.) Invulnerability has a few tools in it besides S/L resistance. Like Unstoppable. this little gem of a panic button gives you 3 minutes of pure tankiness. also, Dull Pain, part of the reason i could tank Posi. Increases your health for a loooong time. Part of how I tanked Posi with no outside buffs was due to good planning that can be used on any brute, the other was Dull Pain and how it works for my build. So, I had a bunch of inspirations, I have my def and res on monitor, and I pop enough oranges and purps to bring me to Cap. This alone will not work against Posi. That guy is ornery. So, after he lays into me with a couple big attacks I hit Dull Pain. Not only am I totally healed, I now have a lot more health. And thats good, cause the next portion of my strategy involved used my Dark Melees Siphon life to keep me health topped up. No reason to really try to do damage to Posi, couldnt solo him, so I just kept him occupied, slowly edging him farther away from my team. About half the Brute secondaries could not accomplish this, even with massive inspirations. Funnily enough, I think Fire could, but would need a ton of KB prot, or you couldnt keep him placed right. You see, its all in the health management for Brute tanking the top crap. And Dull Pain alone will not do it (one use, i got 2 in, but thats another story), but Dull Pain was part of the tools I used. Invul is a great set in most Pve stuff.

are you referring to Brute primaries in general against other ATs? Or ranking them in preference? Anyways, to me at least, Brute Primaries are just the flavor added to a wonderful archetype. The decent damage dealing capability, the survivability, and the wonderful Fury inherent power add up to a very solid archetype, my favorite still after 2 1/2 years of Vet badges. As far as ranking Brute primaries, everyone has their favorites. My two best are definitely Super Strength and Dark Melee. Super Strength has the feel of Smash down pat. Dark Melee has a bunch of powerful tools in the kit so that it almost feels like cheating, as well as doing very respectable damage.

By slow or fast, do you mean killing potential? Scrappers edge out Brutes, and a well planned dominator does things that are obscene. I have heard tell of Tanks built to do damage that get kind of wicked. But in general, Brutes tend to fall at the bottom of the top 1/3 of damage dealers in the game. Call it Blaster, Dominator (heavily I/O'd), Scrapper, Corruptor, Brute as the top damage dealers, in that order, in my opinion. Dominators are weird, because without a lot of I/O love they are very sporadic in power, with I/Os they become some of the best in the game.

Here's the thing about brutes though. As I have heard said in these forums, Brutes are like a big ball rolling down hill. At the top of the hill, meh, put a rock under it, it stops. At the bottom of the hill it will go through a steel wall. With even standard Single Origin enhancers, properly built, a Brute will tear through content after their Fury bar pumps. They can do this solo, and when teaming (and properly buffed by teammates) they can tank for tough task forces. The trick to running a brute is to find this groove with your powersets. Build a brute that can maintain Fury, and never stop moving. Think "Juggernaut" from X-men. Once you get going, you are just insane. Starting from cold is the unfriendly place. There are tricks to jump starting your fury bar, and this will vary depending on your primary, secondary, tactical proclivity, etc. Also, every Brute defense set has an achille's heal. This is a group of enemies that use a certain attack type that your Brute struggles with. For instance, Invulnerability has no protection to Psi damage. Willpower does well against everything, but has an achille's heal of dealing with really big alpha strikes. Defense heavy sets like Energy tend to have a problem when the sheer number of enemies start stacking up. So, every Brute is different. What is the same is the engine. Dont think of them as Brutes, think of them as Fury machines. Get Fury, use Fury, Smash. If you can do that they will feel lightning "fast", even if they are technically not the fastest archetype in the game.

Thanks Arbegla, those numbers seemed right. I didnt play my main last night, was monkeying around on a new tank instead lol.

I was pretty sure their pushing my Def neg increased their to hit, since that seems to be thematic to the game and the way Hami Enhancers logic work too. Thanks for clarifying.

But seriously, with this many squidlies, the only help you got is Siphon Life and killing them. Which thankfully I do pretty fast. Also, My Soul mastery Dark Obliteration does cut some of their to hit back. But yeah, killing them seems the best mitigation I got, while healing a lot (My Siphon life pops up so I can spam it, and it is set to heal max enhanced, so even just spamming this keeps me in the fight)

Those of you that know me know my build is not standard. But even with regular build tactics I am not sure going after smashing/lethal defense is the answer in fighting these guys, no matter how singleminded you were about it. You are merely playing into their fight. They are The Paragaon Police Ascended, and use a ranged energy attack that debuffs defense. Almost always around are their buddies the Paragon Psi division. So, you got no defense, little energy resistance, no psi resistance Good news: We are talking about Dark/Invul. Start spamming Siphon Life, and lean on Dull pain if it seems grim. Now would be a great time to pop an orange if you got it too.

However, in general, softcapping Defense for Invul works miracles (just not against tons of debuffers). In other news, do not try to tank Psi damage dealers for a 8-team pulling +2/x4 or better lol.

Hmm, I will do some testing for exact numbers tonight. I think, in truth, that I sit at about 15-22% Def (I run CJ and weave) I don't have that number memorized thopugh. I know these guys always put my Def in the negatives, regularly in the double digits. (Does this actually give them a plus to hit me, or is anything after 0% overkill?) Because if I had 45% they would be bringing me near 0%. I am fighting a lot of them. I was running the bank mish at +0/x8 for police kills for badge. So it is probably just the sheer number of the squidly twits that gets me. Does anybody else see a problem with HP Lovecraft Cthulhu horrors being heroes? Just me?

Anyways, I always survive the encounters, but I do have to start using Siphon Life, and rarely but sometimes pop Dull Pain. (Please no more comments about my attack chain, I have fun)

Oh yeah Nal, they stack. Take a close look at my recharge monster, got LOTGs muled everywhere, and some other 7.5%s as well