Bill Z Bubba

That's called immortality. Ya rat bastiche! <---said with admiration for those that don't get it.

I could see that.

While probably true, you have to look at relative values.

If blaster A adds 45% defense and 50% global recharge while blaster B adds 100% global recharge, do you think that the extra damage output from blaster B is going to be in any way relative to the mitigation that blaster A now has?

That's the real crux of the situation for me. NO ONE can add anything to their builds that will do more for said build in relative performance increases than what punching to the softcap on defense does. And they can't do so because the set bonuses just aren't there to do it.

You can't add enough damage to come close to the extra damage output over time that extra defense gives. In the blaster example, the one with all the defense is going to survive so much longer than the one dishing out the extra damage that over time, the one with the defense wins hands down.

You can't add enough dam-res to come close. Nor regen. Nor mez protection. Nor HP.

I guess I could raise the question here, is it just that the defense/tohit equation is so broken that this is a problem, or is it just because there's too much +def in setIO bonuses? I'm pretty sure that the answer is the latter.

I've got a slightly different take on it:

We're supposed to compare our secondaries as they are slotted with SOs. I'm good with this concept. At that level, it appears that all is fine and groovy. It's one of the reasons that we scrappers are such a happy lot.

Then IOs come into the picture. Instead of WP being on par with SR with SOs, we're suddenly in the situation where that WP is getting hit only as often as the SR, but the WP has vastly more hitpoints AND regen AND dam-res.

Things are suddenly out of whack.

It's bugs me slightly more when I look over and see that blaster over there sitting at the soft-cap to range, hovering and blasting in near total safety.

The problem is that it's FAR easier to add defense due to the IO overload than it is ANY other form of mitigation or damage output.

The question is: Is being closer to the cap to start with enough to balance things out? When it takes 6 of 9 powers to get there, I'm not too sure.

I'm not saying that SR is weak by ANY stretch here. I still love the set. I've been itching to make an SR brute and if Castle ported over brute SR to tanks, I'd be hard pressed not to make one.

All I'm stating is that there's too much freaking defense in the IO set bonuses. If there were more dam-res or more damage or more regen, I'd probably view it differently. However, we don't balance by raising everything else up to the outlier.

I'm somewhere around 360% regen (28hp/sec or so) and 1843 HP. usually that's enough to keep me standing. If not, I pop dem greens. Unless I'm doing something that disallows insps. Then I kill until I'm dead or it is. Usually it's not me.

... Don't make me bust out the 1920X1200!!!

After several respecs since IOs went live, I've dumped around 1.5 Billion inf into Bill.

That should tell you what you want to know right there.

Obviously your current build does the job. I've been concerned a lot lately with the fact that the devs have created a situation with defense that is flatly being abused by all of us.

We've got Fire/ tanks running around softcapped on defense to X for satan's sake. Makes the concept of super reflexes laughable because now EVERYONE can get super reflexes to at least some of the incoming attacks.

You've stated you're not into crunching the numbers like some of us. There's nothing wrong with that. 45% defense means that in the absence of defense debuffs and tohit buffs, you can't get a better chance to be missed than you've got. That's it. Nothing more.

If whatever else you have in your build is good enough to keep you up and swinging beyond that, you're gold.

"Good enough" is whatever you decide it will be.

My main character will NEVER be "good enough" for me when I sit back and run comparisons. He's never going to be able to push out the damage of a dark/shield saturating AAO and SD. He's never going to have the survivability of /regen that's cranked up to the softcap on defense.

But is he good enough for almost everything I throw at him? Hell yea. He's claws/sr. He's damned good at everything.

Did we ever determine for a fact if it's 10% of real end total or 10% of base end on that proc?

/FPAPF!!

Nahh, you obviously don't get it, so why should I bother?

How cute. You must have gone to the Butane school of critical thinking.

Scrappers still cap out at 75% DR. Tanks at 90%. Everyone and the dog can get 45% defense these days. Including tanks who have an easier time getting there. Tanks get 40% more hitpoints at base and over 30% more at the caps. Better mez protection. Better aggro control.

For the toughest AT on the block, there's far too many of you whining like 3 yeare old girls. Want more damage? Build for it. Want to take on more enemies at once? Never stop moving and never stop attacking so that as soon as you kill one enemy another joins its place. The CLOS works just fine for that when you know what you're doing.

Yall need to quit pining away for your glory days. Reminds me of football players at a 20 year reunion.

Sex is more appealing than violence. Too bad the American entertainment industry and all the ignorant puritans in the country don't get that fact.

"It's ok to show people being murdered in gruesome ways, but don't you DARE show a nipple!!!!"

No it won't. It just reintroduces and older form of tic-tac-toe.

You want to get past the aggro limit? Slot more taunt and utilize the conga line of stupidity.

Of course! I might have to steal that combat jumping slotting later.

Bingo. Thanks yall!