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Rachelthulu

All of your points are made off of a false assumption that the Devs are against farming, and your wrong, they are against exploiting, and all of the things you have pointed out about the changes the Devs made are to stop exploits, not farming, but farming exploits.

Stop thinking that farming = exploit because your wrong.
Think about this, if the Devs were truly against farming, then they would have put a hard stop to it by now. Ok?

Get over it

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The devs recently gave that buff to Infernal's Demons/Behemoths, and changed the Family's salvage drops to Tech. Both of those seem like movements AGAINST farming.

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Your wrong, both of them were bug fixes.

If they wanted a movement against farming they would have made a change to the mission, and be done with it.

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Those were moves against farming actually.

Very weak ineffectual ones, but still still movements.

ummm NO.

I like them there.

would also destroy the idea that you should be able to lvl from 1-50 via MA alone if you like.

What the hell is up with all these suggestions to destroy the MA just after it being released not even a solid week yet?

Are people high or something?

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So yeah. You're looking at an economic crash leading to the eventual death of the game through a logical process of perceived need through the implementation of your idea.

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Hillariously overdramatic!

If any of Rachelthulu's cons were actually legitimate gripes, then MA would have NEVER BEEN INTRODUCED into this game!

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qft. Even more idiotic is the idea that you need IOs to play the game. That's inherent assumption that be shown to be false by just about everyone in the market forum. That and that farmers make prices go up.

Which is [censored]-backwards assumption which the devs have denounced repeatedly.

IOs ARE OTPIONAL.

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QR

I'm neutral to farming. Entirely.

We JUST got something that makes potential farmers able to do what they do in the convenience of Mission Architect, and so forth. Can't you just be happy with the advancements in place? At least for an issue or two?

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It's not the reason I made this suggestion.

The reason was to get rid of thread after thread complaining about farm and filler spam.

The MA already takes care of auto-sking so no real reason for bridges anymore.

If the folks using AE could generate their own spawn sizes it would kill the need to farm that. I would even suggest the devs make it a bannable offense as you'd no longer need to do that.

Also if you notice in my suggestion I suggested that they be scaled to BOSSES as the mobs go up in level of difficulty past 5. At Rating 8, ALL of the 8-man sized spawn is BOSSES. If a user can handle that solo, good luck to them.

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The point Aura and several other forumites have made is to simply reduce the 'annoying' interaction other players may have with farmers, such as being asked to bridge/fill/pad etc.

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The opposition to this makes me think the whole "its the spam" that I'm annoyed at comment most folks keep claiming is the real issue, is BS.

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The market does not get 'better' because of Farming. It gets new items, yes, but it also gets millions more influence and infamy, which cause further inflation even though the supply of the pieces in demand are higher.

-Rachel-

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Getting new items is getting better. or is the shortage caused by the merit system something to look forward to?

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This was a bad idea the first time it was posted.

This was a bad idea the last time it was posted.

This is still a bad idea.

It will continue to be a bad idea.

Farming throws off the market. It exploits a very small amount of content with low risk/high reward ratio. It annoys people who don't farm or dislike the idea of it when they get tells asking to farm or pad or bridge.

Farming is not suggested by the Devs. Farming is not a well liked practice and, for that reason, the Devs have consistently altered the way things are handled to -avoid- farming.

Asking the Devs to put something in the game solely for the purpose of farming when they have time and again shown that they don't condone the act is a waste of time. I'll be bookmarking this response to copy-paste to all further farming threads.

-Rachel-

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This idea would would eliminate the 2nd line of your first paragraph. In fact that devs could then make it a bannable offense to send filler or bridge spam if this were in place.

As was stated this would not only be used for farming. It could be used to provide challenge to those who no longer find the pve game interesting or challenging--an argument made by many a pvper.

EDIT: And many of the items on the market are produced by farmers. Specifically purples.

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This was a bad idea the first time it was posted.

This was a bad idea the last time it was posted.

This is still a bad idea.

It will continue to be a bad idea.

Farming throws off the market. It exploits a very small amount of content with low risk/high reward ratio. It annoys people who don't farm or dislike the idea of it when they get tells asking to farm or pad or bridge.

Farming is not suggested by the Devs. Farming is not a well liked practice and, for that reason, the Devs have consistently altered the way things are handled to -avoid- farming.

Asking the Devs to put something in the game solely for the purpose of farming when they have time and again shown that they don't condone the act is a waste of time. I'll be bookmarking this response to copy-paste to all further farming threads.

-Rachel-

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This idea would would eliminate the 2nd line of your first paragraph. In fact that devs could then make it a bannable offense to send filler or bridge spam if this were in place.

As was stated this would not only be used for farming. It could be used to provide challenge to those who no longer find the pve game interesting or challenging--an argument made by many a pvper.

EDIT: And many of the items on the market are produced by farmers. Specifically purples.

/signed.

It would also make it possible for the devs to make it against the EULA to spam for fillers since . .. you would no longer need them.

The folks who DESPISE farming would no longer need to see it.
The folks who want to farm would no longer need to bother anyone.
The folks who want to farm will continue to do so and pay their same monthly fee.
The folks who don't want to farm won't get random tells and can go about pretending that farming doesn't exist.

I don't see an issue here.

Keep in mind this could ALSO be used to make some tfs harder. Already beaten MOSTF or MOLRSF, fine, now you challenge yourself even more!

yeah. should have searched first.

But seeing as there are 123123123232 threads complaining about the "new" (LOL, really) farm spam I don't think the mods will mind TWO threads making this suggestion.

Suggestion: (Assuming this can be done without it being a coding nightmare).

Allow a solo player to spawn larger mob sizes.

Call it a new difficulty rating of (after invincible): I'm not married to the names.

Insanity (Challenge Rating: 6)
All mob spawns are spawned as if there are 6 players on the team. Whether the entire map is revealed is irrelevant. ALL mobs on the map, seen or unseen would spawn with the right number. More bosses per spawn.

Demonic (Challenge Rating: 7)
All mob spawns are spawned as if there are 7 players on the team. Whether the entire map is revealed is irrelevant. ALL mobs on the map, seen or unseen would spawn with the right number. Nearly all the spawns are bosses.

Despair (Challenge Rating: 8)
All mob spawns are spawned as if there are 8 players on the team. Whether the entire map is revealed is irrelevant. ALL mobs on the map, seen or unseen would spawn with the right number. All of the spawns are bosses.

Pros:
1. No need to no longer spam in ANY zone for fillers/anchors/padders, etc. as they would no longer be needed.
2. You could invite folks who like to destroy huge numbers of mobs for challenge (some pvpers and some pvers like this) simply for the challenge and not cause you need fillers.
3. The devs could then make it against the EULA to spam the airwaves for fillers, as they would no longer be needed.

Good idea or bad idea? What are the cons against this?

QR

Okay, NOW you guys have got me wanting to buy this booster pack.

Now that I actually know what this is, if you come round freedom, I got two tanks there.

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THIS is the best idea I've ever seen from the OP!

/signed

While they are making this addition, please also add access points to each of the PVP ZONES from Pocket D. Thanks.

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Put one in the SG base!

Might make a base more useful!

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This

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Well done. I like it.

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RO has done more then TT ever has.

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First of all, an event is NOT the same as an SG. If you feel the need to compare your SG to something, stick to another SG.

Second, I never heard of Repeat Offenders until this thread.
Did I miss them on the updater?
Did I mess them in the MotD?
Did I miss them in the Ciry Scoop?
Did I miss them in the Players Choice award winners?



If your SG sponsors events, then they should be proud of themselves. But, that holds no relevance to a plaque for Tanker Tuesday.

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to be honest with you I've never heard of Tanker Tuesday till this thread.

I have however heard of RO. From Castle's post a while ago.

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I'm not trying to argue or point any fingers. But saying an event you participate in deserves a permanent place in the game, when it is only well known on one server is self-aggrandizing. Sure people on other servers might know about it, but it is not a cross server thing.

I am all for TT getting recognition for lasting this long, but it does not deserve a plaque or any other permanent addition to the game world.

I find it funny when people who disagree are attacked for not agreeing with someone elses opinion. Why is the person disagreeing not intitled to thier opinion?

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I don't understand the attacks either.

I'm all for plaques . . . for every event and every group that makes it to 5 years, RO included.

If the devs feel it should be done sure.

However the plaque should be on EVERY server. If the event is truly cross server, then the plaque should be.

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You mean like this?

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hilarious!!!

/unsigned for all the reasons given.

There would be little point to selling IOs,salvage, recipes, etc. you can't use if you can just easily mail them to an alt.

That WOULD have a more negative impact on the market. That's enough to /unsign it right there.

If we had a game pop like WoW's where there are enough sellers to offset it, then that's a different story. Unfortunately we don't. Our population of market users is so small that any things done that take extra supply off the market has an effect (see merits).

Again, /unsigned.

This suggestion would have been relevant pre-issue 14.

Now not so much.

Now you can totally AVOID them 100% of the time--well at least when issue 14 launches.

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Castle,

I am worried about my Fire Imps. I checked the Info tab on the power and Imps ONLY have Brawl. If this does affect Fire Imps, do you plan on giving them another power so they benefit from the cycling as this fix is intended to provide? Or do you believe Fire is still too powerful because of Kinetics?

How about adding an Immobilize to the Imps or a small version of Burn?

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Super-overpowered-farming-build-go!
Brawl is already a fast recharging attack. Fire/kin and fire/rad were both AV soloing builds before IO's and sets came along. They'll go back to being only mildly overpowered.

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Errrm no they won't. They will still being doing what they are doing.

Fire Imps is the least of what allows them to be able to do what they do, including soloing AVs if they could before.

If this nerfbuff was targeted at them. It failed.

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It could of course be an error or the forums acting weird (as if that never happens). So I'm not getting my hopes up.

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If that's the case I hope someone has PM'd Ex about it. LOL, the chatter about pvp enhancements has already started on that part of the forums.

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2 man Lady Grey Task Force on YouTube
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Completed this last night.

Relentless 2:39:20

No Nukes/Shivans

Was pretty fun. It can be done faster once you know what you're doing. Hami was the longest part since we only had two people. ;P Basically we died after each of his mitos was taken down, until towards the end of the yellows, we stopped aggroing hami for some reason and killed the rest with ease.

Hami himself was somewhat easy, since phantom army distracted him for seconds at a time. I didn't know that hami could kill them. we thought it was only recluse that could kill them. There were more deaths of mainly myself. :< I draw too much aggro...but I didn't have time to show them all. ahhaha

all of the video is sped up to fit in the 10 min youtube window....so sorry if you get a little dizzy. plus my video editor was not very happy while i was doing this. :<

Our next stop is a 2 man Lord Recluse Strike Force

enjoy! and keep pushing those limits!

Oh and thanks to my anchors!

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If you can pull (which by looking at this thread I think you have no issue with) two man LRSF should be very doable. Good job in advance.

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now heres a question I have on VEAT's, .. yes this is a spot for i14 chatter, but this ties in

I'm seeing some things now when VEAT's hit, they were freeking awsome, now they been dumbed down becuse people that didn't want to play a Arachnos Trooper, complained they were too good, so then that went on for a little bit

Now I'm seeing alot of annoying bugs , the Redraw of the guns , yes redraw was fixed, now the guns are invisible 75% of the time
the Mace blast animation time was fixed, now they don't have one, the mace is held like you're onna swing, but insted the blast just happens, not makeing the bane happy ya know?

and the old issue with the waist Capes, al they'd need to do is make the belt have an option of Belt cape, Tada

now HOW dowes this tie into I 14?, well they gotta fix things anyways, and you know people want to make Arachnos NPC's and characters, So this would be the best time to fix that little mess up.. you know they one that was caused by makeing the Arachnos characters like everything else non epic?, yeah that one AKA the NERF =-)

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speaking of i14... if they're in "closed beta" and all we've heard is "mission architect"... does this mean that's all that's going to be in i14?

or is someone just not telling folks anything about i14 other than the MA?


idiotic fanboi replies, feel free to self delete.

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Been hinted at that there might be a few more things RELATED to MA in issue 14. HOWEVER, they've been hinting for a while now (months actually) that because of all the complex work related to MA, issue 14 is pretty much generally all about MA.

Issue 15 is the one that returns to the good stuff, though no word on what yet. (Though one can assume from various dev comments, its back to powerset prolif, some dev created content, etc, etc).

EDIT: Not to imply that Issue 14 isn't good stuff. Cause it is. Actually it's more like EPIC WIN stuff.